Who's Horses are out naked today?

jesstickle said:
Perhaps you should post a photo of the rather delectable CS just so we can see with our own eyes what a mistreated chap he is ;)

And for the record, I am just glad he goes out... I don't think many horses competing at his level get regular time in the field at all, with or without rugs. I personally wouldn't put that many on anything (and I am used to fit blood horses) but if you're all happy then really, who gives a monkey's?!
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Very true, as long as every one is happy then it's not a problem.

Then again, just because a horse looks healthy doesn't mean they are comfortable, and just because someone is a rider/professional etc etc doesn't mean they do right by their horse. Or we could then argue that top class show horses who have their heads strapped with side reins in the stable for hours are being cared for properly and to the best of the horse's interest. I fail to see how a horse wearing that many rugs can be comfortable, or how it can be healthy for a horse to not have air circulating onto it's skin.

Another pointer - if you take that amount of rugs off to exercise - the whole fact that the horse won't be able to regulate it's own temperature will surely cause it to tense up?!!!
 
;) There's airing and then there's constant, non stop, nagging, endless badgering. Have your opinion but really, do you think you're going to change the way that PS is doing things? You're just wasting your breath really, but waste it away if you think it's going to achieve something!

Since we're airing our opinions, PS's horse is probably used to having those rugs on, he's conditioned to it. You know when your old ma says "take your coat off you wont feel the benefit!" because you get used to that level of warmth. Which is probably why he'll shiver.
If she wants her horse clean, and you don't... who cares? does it make either of you right or better than the other? No.
Are you going to change the way she does things? No
Is it stopping other people joining in on a normal thread because they've taken one look at you nagging her and thought better of it. Probably...
 
BoolavogueDC said:
;) There's airing and then there's constant, non stop, nagging, endless badgering. Have your opinion but really, do you think you're going to change the way that PS is doing things? You're just wasting your breath really, but waste it away if you think it's going to achieve something!

Since we're airing our opinions, PS's horse is probably used to having those rugs on, he's conditioned to it. You know when your old ma says "take your coat off you wont feel the benefit!" because you get used to that level of warmth. Which is probably why he'll shiver.
If she wants her horse clean, and you don't... who cares? does it make either of you right or better than the other? No.
Are you going to change the way she does things? No
Is it stopping other people joining in on a normal thread because they've taken one look at you nagging her and thought better of it. Probably...
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No I don't think it will change the way she does things. Just like most advice given on HHO will not change the way anybody does things. It's a forum where people are allowed their views and opinions.

As for if it stops people posting - maybe it does. That's their choice - I don't really care!!! Secondly, I very much doubt - bearing in mind the nature of a lot of horsey people, that a good ol' argument will stop anybody posting if they want! Most people who post on here enjoy a 'healthy debate'! :)
 
JFTD said:
Agreed. Especially that at least he gets out.

(I put all my MW rugs away yesterday till next winter... Jinxing it or what? :D)
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Yes, it's great CS gets to go out.

JFDT get those rugs back out immediatly- if the weather turns again I am going to hold you personally responcible! ;)
 
oh i love HHO, always makes me chuckle...

anyway, yep all of ours are naked, except the DIY's, they're in their middle weights.

but our lot are hairy connies and cobs, our connie mare who's heavily pregnant loved having a roll without the rug. they wont have them back on now unless it turns really cold.
 
Moomin1 said:
that top class show horses who have their heads strapped with side reins in the stable for hours are being cared for properly and to the best of the horse's interest. I fail to see how a horse wearing that many rugs can be comfortable, or how it can be healthy for a horse to not have air circulating onto it's skin.

Another pointer - if you take that amount of rugs off to exercise - the whole fact that the horse won't be able to regulate it's own temperature will surely cause it to tense up?!!!
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Yes, because every show horse is tied down with side reins. I think you will find that the majority are not tied down, but you always hear of the negative stories never the positive, because hey, good management doesn't make news does it? Its a bit like all irish horses have been abused, headshy etc. People seem to forget that for every horse coming out of ireland that was abused/headshy/issues there are hundreds of irish horses that are sane, normal, happy horses that do a job. Don't forget that the ISH are the top eventers in the world!

I actually think it is cruel for someone to whip all the rugs off because its a nice day - if your horse has been in a HW (or in PS's case, more g) and then suddenly take it all off - horse will be cold. Simples.
It would be much better to reduce the rug weight gradually, as horses don't take kindly to shocks to their systems & need gradual adjustment. my horse is in his HW neck combo, but he hasn't had the neck on for the past week. When the weather starts to warm up here he will go into a MW and so forth. He is also on the poor side of good atm (happens every year at this time) so will not be changing rugs yet.

The point is that yes, a horse can't regulate their heat as well with a rug on. Which is why I am so against no fill sheets unless there is a cooler or the likes underneath.

And incase you think I am being pedantic, my horse is rug free in the summer.
 
Well, 1st nght out with no rugs on since last autumn.
I've popped outside just now with coffee & ciggy, and its still around 14 here (am still in T shirt).
Temps expected to go no less than 10 here tonight :cool:

Big Fuzzy was very happy to be without a coat today, new tiniest fuzzy was sweating buckets, but thats what happens when you arrive from the grim norf wearing a double thick coat :o

No doubt the 2 coloureds will be 1 coloured in the morning :rolleyes: and middle-fuzzy will just be hot (needs re-clipping again :rolleyes: )

JTFD - you will be on my hit list girl :p I've got LW on standby (will prob needs Sat night) and the 2 x MW's are not going anywhere till May.... just in case....
 
only_me said:
I actually think it is cruel for someone to whip all the rugs off because its a nice day - if your horse has been in a HW (or in PS's case, more g) and then suddenly take it all off - horse will be cold. Simples.
It would be much better to reduce the rug weight gradually, as horses don't take kindly to shocks to their systems & need gradual adjustment. my horse is in his HW neck combo, but he hasn't had the neck on for the past week. When the weather starts to warm up here he will go into a MW and so forth. He is also on the poor side of good atm (happens every year at this time) so will not be changing rugs yet.

The point is that yes, a horse can't regulate their heat as well with a rug on. Which is why I am so against no fill sheets unless there is a cooler or the likes underneath.

And incase you think I am being pedantic, my horse is rug free in the summer.
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have you ever been stood in the shade, then stepped into the sunshine and had to take your coat off? This is what its like for horses. HW rugs on in +10 temps is insane. They are not getting a shock to their system if it is warm outside, if the sun is out as well it roasts them, like standing under a heat lamp.

To keep a rug on when its the temps we've got up in yorks (18 today!) is insane.

Mine are naked.
 
Mine has been out naked for most of the last week (and stabled naked at night). He went into a rain sheet for the day yesterday because it was due to be wet and windy; by the time I got to the yard at 6pm I could feel the heat radiating off him if I help my hand a few inches away from him. He's a chaser clipped TB x.

I even had him out naked for the odd day in December when it got above 10C; he gets too hot and itchy and loves a good roll, and he's always dry enough to brush off if I want to ride in the evening. He went into a MW when it went below -5, otherwise he gets really hot.
 
mine had a MW weight on until tonight, took the plunge and just put her in a sheet, will go up tomorrow morning and check to make sure she is fine and warm!
 
The Hairy Highland- would be out naked if it wasn't for the saddler coming tomorrow!
He tends to get his rug off and roll,roll then roll and roll some more till he looks like chocolate log.
-naked all day and night in stable yesterday!
:D
 
TigerTail said:
have you ever been stood in the shade, then stepped into the sunshine and had to take your coat off? This is what its like for horses. HW rugs on in +10 temps is insane. They are not getting a shock to their system if it is warm outside, if the sun is out as well it roasts them, like standing under a heat lamp.

To keep a rug on when its the temps we've got up in yorks (18 today!) is insane.

Mine are naked.
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I think you need to come and stand in the wind and the rain at 10 degrees where i am next to the coast, the wind chill drops the temp quite a bit.
My horses had their light fill rugs on today as they needed them
 
This forum does make me chuckle!

I have been off work today. I have ridden my blanket clipped TB and then turned him out in his HW Rambo as per usual as I didn't feel the need for anything lighter. So I get home and read this post and start feeling like a bad mummy!

So, after after the washing machine had done its bit on my stinky horsey clothes I decide that you lot must be right and put my clothes on the washing line instead of the tumble dryer. I have to say I got very cold doing so but felt optimistic.

Three hours later my clothes were still wet and cold. My TB was also at a comfortable temperature too.

I'm in South Wales and haven't seen the temperature gauge in my car go above 12c today and the sun may have appeared so briefly that I missed it - am I forgiven for turning out in his HW Rambo???
 
the winter coat of a horse thats clearly too hot all the time:

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He is rather a sensitive flower, isn't he - with all that sheepskin :eek: :D Fortunately he's also very hot ;)

Doesn't look to me as though he spends his days sweating up in his rug, tbf :rolleyes:
 
I'm quite glad this thread appeared asi left my boy naked today and planned to untill tomorrow, but I was the only one that has done this!! The pony next to wes even had a fleece on under his rug!!
 
only_me said:
Yes, because every show horse is tied down with side reins. I think you will find that the majority are not tied down, but you always hear of the negative stories never the positive, because hey, good management doesn't make news does it? Its a bit like all irish horses have been abused, headshy etc. People seem to forget that for every horse coming out of ireland that was abused/headshy/issues there are hundreds of irish horses that are sane, normal, happy horses that do a job. Don't forget that the ISH are the top eventers in the world!

I actually think it is cruel for someone to whip all the rugs off because its a nice day - if your horse has been in a HW (or in PS's case, more g) and then suddenly take it all off - horse will be cold. Simples.
It would be much better to reduce the rug weight gradually, as horses don't take kindly to shocks to their systems & need gradual adjustment. my horse is in his HW neck combo, but he hasn't had the neck on for the past week. When the weather starts to warm up here he will go into a MW and so forth. He is also on the poor side of good atm (happens every year at this time) so will not be changing rugs yet.

The point is that yes, a horse can't regulate their heat as well with a rug on. Which is why I am so against no fill sheets unless there is a cooler or the likes underneath.

And incase you think I am being pedantic, my horse is rug free in the summer.
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Apologies, I think you missed my point about the side reins. What I was saying is that just because someone is a professional competitor etc does not mean they do everything in the best interest of their horse. My example of this was that some highly regarded showing people use the method described with side reins, yet many/most people would agree that this is unsuitable and barbaric in many cases. I didn't in any way insinuate (or mean to) that all or even many show people do this.

And I fully agree with your point about whipping lots of rugs/heavyweight rugs off completely. That's why I wonder at what temperature PS's horse will eventually get down to one rug or even none? If the temp was 14 degrees today and it had 600g worth of rugs on and she wasn't willing to remove any - then does it have to get up to 20 degrees before it gets down to 500/400/300g - which is what the majority of people class as HW!!!!!! :eek:
 
It was 12 degrees at the yard tonight (8pm) when I put my horse to bed. She is still naked and she was perfectly warm and I was still in a t shirt. Even if it miraculously dropped to 3 degrees overnight I wouldn't lose sleep over it - she's not going to die or melt for a few hours of having to keep herself warm. She isn't going to drop condition just from having one night or a few hours in cold conditions!!!! I will never understand why people panic if it starts getting cold whilst they are at work and feel they have to rush off and put another rug on (unless the obvious like an old or ill horse). I can understand someone rushing to take a rug off as heat exposure is a much more dangerous situation for horses.
 
De-rugged the ponies in their outdoor pens so they could sunbathe and groom each other. Everything else here had lightweights on if owners had left one out.

I'll be honest, my horse is grey and competes twice a week. I really don't want him plastered in sticky mud. He wore his snuggy hoods sweet itch outfit with a rain sheet on top.

We had swarms of midges that drove the horses mad so we had to get them in early.
 
RobinHood said:
De-rugged the ponies in their outdoor pens so they could sunbathe and groom each other. Everything else here had lightweights on if owners had left one out.

I'll be honest, my horse is grey and competes twice a week. I really don't want him plastered in sticky mud. He wore his snuggy hoods sweet itch outfit with a rain sheet on top.

We had swarms of midges that drove the horses mad so we had to get them in early.
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See that's a sensible method!!! Your horse is unlikely to get boiling hot in a sweet itch outfit with rain sheet and you get a nice clean sparkly horse with it!!! :)
 
Moomin1 said:
I seriously still hope you are joking?!!! SHIVERING in 14 degrees if they didn't have nearly 600g of rugs piled on them?!!! Words fail me. DISGUSTING. Sorry. :mad:
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I cannot comment on that particular horse because I don't know it. I can say I own a Thoroughbred who is one of the most hairless horses I have ever met. He makes other Thoroughbreds look hairy. When I first bought him, he was an over-rugged former Show Horse and would feel cold at any temperature under 20deg.C without a rug. Ridiculous but true. He has toughened up a bit over the years but still needs serious rugging. His rug doesn't come off in winter unless it is 17deg.C and sunny. How did I know he was cold? He would stand there and shake. If it was too cool for his liking, he would rush up to me and demand that I do something. He wears a 300gram combo.
PS I am in Australia.
 
kippen64 said:
I cannot comment on that particular horse because I don't know it. I can say I own a Thoroughbred who is one of the most hairless horses I have ever met. He makes other Thoroughbreds look hairy. When I first bought him, he was an over-rugged former Show Horse and would feel cold at any temperature under 20deg.C without a rug. Ridiculous but true. He has toughened up a bit over the years but still needs serious rugging. His rug doesn't come off in winter unless it is 17deg.C and sunny. How did I know he was cold? He would stand there and shake. If it was too cool for his liking, he would rush up to me and demand that I do something. He wears a 300gram combo.
PS I am in Australia.
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Sounds like you have done a good job desensitizing him as much as you can.

Highlights how wrong and sad it is that some show horses are over rugged in the first place, to the point where they are unable to cope with normal daily temperatures. :(
 
Merry Crisis said:
Its now 10pm, just been out to feed pet lambs and skip out and hay my horse, TB. I was in just a shirt and very comfortable so no point at all in putting a rug on. He has enough mud on him from being outside today having had a lovely rug free day to insulate him if the temperature drops to 8 degrees. Hate over rugging, mind you I am going through the change of life so HATE wool!
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Another sensible minded person who realises their Tb ISN'T going to disintegrate in these temperatures!!
 
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