Why are people so pig headed about castration?

I think it works both ways, I didn't want my bitch to have puppies so got her spade, people should act responsibly and get males castrated as well, its the bitches owner left with the problem, same with cats just get them done
 
Lets not forget that most people are mongrels!!! and it only makes for better physical and perhaps mental characteristics, look at the beauty of Brazillians, negroid, caucasian and asian mixes!
Mongrel dogs often revert to looking pretty similar, ie a basic dog shaped head and body built for hunting and running. Truely what a dog was like before people realised the fun in breeding selective characteristics that ultimately lead to the different breeds.
Another name for selective breeding is Eugenics, in humans last practiced by the Nazis in Germany, when they tried to breed a perfect Ayrian race tall, blond blue eyed. It didnt work, there were more inherited defects.
Selective breeding as any geneticist will tell you is not necessarily the best way to produce a healthy fully functional animal.
Well bred mongrels that are fit and able to do their job, ie be a fully functional dog bring genetic diversity to the species and that is a good thing. Selective breeding narrows the gene pool and raises the chances of defects occuring such as the hip dysplasia found in some dog breeds, and there are many others. One doesn't need to be a great expert on dog breeding to understand simple genetics. Breeds and selective breeding does not not equal "perfect" defect free animals everytime, nor does what is on the outside ie apperance, coat etc equal what is going on on the inside ie in the DNA!
 
Mongrels and crosses can get HD and hereditary conditions too :p
We've never had a dog with HD in a combined squillion :p years of GSD ownership.

Selective breeding and monitoring in my breed has allowed a database of bloodlines and a register of hip and elbow scores so those throwing undesirable traits can be isolated from the breeding programme. If I bred, I would appreciate being able to look at pedigrees and say with some sort of confidence 'I am not using that dog because of x' or 'I am using that dog because of y'.
Not a failsafe of course, but it helps.
 
My girlie would have been speyed but after my friends dog died when having the op it made me really nervous. Also she had double cruciate ligament surgery when she was 2 so don't want to put her through any more. Her breeder who I have known for 25 years has never spayed or neutered and never had a dog with cancer. I also can walk her on the estate where there are no entire dogs to worry about.
If I had a dog though, I would certainly have it done. I hear all the time from owners of entire dogs that are pestering the life out of my bitch, even when she isn't in season, 'oh we want to breed with him'.
WHY???? I always say about the possible change in nature after being used.
Then there are the people who always ask if I am going to take a litter from Cara. No, she is my pet, leave the breeding to the breeders who know what they are doing.
 
I took that to mean 'the breeders who know what they are doing', not 'the breeders, who know what they are doing'...ho hum...I agree. There are people doing a much better job of it than I ever could and I will leave it to them.
 
katielou_houston said:
You fool.

We don't need any of your mutt terriers to have to PTS along with the other thousands of terriers.

Do you not worry about all the dogs that are killed because of people like you?
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Oh dear, reverting to insult tactics in the absence of good debating skills - well I guess it had to come - eventually, - Yawn.....
 
katielou_houston said:
Honestly i am just fed up of seeing person after person like you wanting to breed there mutts when i have to hold hundreds as they are PTS.
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Well I think thats very sad indeed too, but firstly how do you define "mutts"? - is that not a value judgement based on personal prejudice etc etc?

Fact is, there will always be unwanted animals and I certainly would not breed from my dog unless I had bookings for the puppies or could accomodate them myself at our Croft.
I am most definitely not thinking of starting a puppy farm!
 
I would define a mutt as a dog that is not a purebred recognized breed. I'm not prejudice towards mutts at all. I own one.

But i am fed up with people who think there dog is good enough to breed from when it isn't.
Why don't you send those people who want your puppies to adopt one of the thousands in rescues.

There may always be unwanted animals but its people breeding like you that make that number in the millions.
 
katielou_houston said:
I would define a mutt as a dog that is not a purebred recognized breed. I'm not prejudice towards mutts at all. I own one.
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Eh hmm.... there are plenty of pure breds in rescue centres I am sure you know that!!!. I ve seen Collies GSH, Greyhounds, Corgis, Staffs etc , - perhaps a Mutt is by definition, a dog that no-one wants for whatever reasons, and that misfortune may happen upon.

I just think you are attempting to denegrate my dog for no particular reason other than the fact you dont like my argument or you suspect that I do in fact have some valid points to make in this discussion which you find threaten your perceptions......
 
I am well aware purebreds are in rescues to! Only place i have ever got a dog from.

Haha my perceptions will never be thretened by empty arguments love!

Your dog is a mutt yes? Like the hundreds in rescues yes? You have no health testing on the dog correct? does he have a good working history? You apprear to have no breeding experience.

Just another BYB!
 
Nowt wrong with a mongrel, all my dogs have been mongrels and to be frank, I wouldn't ever have wanted anything else. However, I think there are enough accidental breedings to cover the mutt market - and I don't think I'd set out the breed a mutt/mongrel/cross breed purposely.
 
katielou_houston said:
I am well aware purebreds are in rescues to! Only place i have ever got a dog from.

Haha my perceptions will never be thretened by empty arguments love!

Your dog is a mutt yes? Like the hundreds in rescues yes? You have no health testing on the dog correct? does he have a good working history? You apprear to have no breeding experience.

Just another BYB!
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So if purebreeds are there alongside the "mutts" in the rescue home waiting for destruction, wheres your argument?
 
katielou_houston said:
There may always be unwanted animals but its people breeding like you that make that number in the millions.
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So who's breeding the purebreeds in the rescue home? they are there, you said it yourself, and what is the significance of their contribution to the overpopulation problem do you think? After all I am a "Mutt " breeder (Potentially - He he), so its not my doing!
 
Storminateacup said:
So if purebreeds are there alongside the "mutts" in the rescue home waiting for destruction, wheres your argument?
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That there needs to be no more mutts or purebreds added to that number!!!

I'm against all breeding except for the best dogs that have working/ showing titles and are a true representation of the breed.
Breed by responsible knowledgeable breeders who have every possible health check
 
katielou_houston said:
That there needs to be no more mutts or purebreds added to that number!!!

I'm against all breeding except for the best dogs that have working/ showing titles and are a true representation of the breed.
Breed by responsible knowledgeable breeders who have every possible health check
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I actually agree with your first point, but you know what where I live there is actually an absence of the type I have been talking about. Therefore I felt there maybe a need.
Sounds like your region has many unwanted dogs that are at risk of being PTS.
Here the turnover of unwanted dogs going to be rehomed is high.
In fact the hardest to rehome are the long haired Lurchers because they are large, but when I move to our croft I would definitely rehome one as they are adorable and I guess, a purebred too.
 
Why do pedigrees and mongrels end up in rescue? a few reasons
1, irrisponsible back street breeding
2, idiotic purchasers, biting off more than they can chew by glancing at a cute puppy.
3, The pedigree that looked smart when "joe blogs" was walking it down the street, made **** for brains rush out and buy one jsut like it;) is now a 12 month old active needy animal thats needs are not met (palmed off to rescue)
4, The mongers, same reason,some high energy crosses that need exercise and stimulation and an experienced handler, and with X breeds a high percentage end up in rescue because they now look rather ugly compared to their cute puppy days as no one know what they hell they would end up looking like:rolleyes:

No argument terriers are def 10 a penny in the rescue world.
pointless, but to add, if we get a shaggy lurcher in, we literally have folk fighting over them:D
 
Lurchers are not pure bred, they are usually (but by no means always) a cross of 2 purebreds.
I suspect most of the purebreds in rescue are there for the reasons stated, imo it is too easy for people to buy a cute puppy without realising that they will need hard work to house train etc. GOOD breeders will take the pup back if the new owner gives up on it, but most of the backyard breeders don't want to know, so the dog ends up in rescue.
 
Storminateacup said:
Oh come on.......... really its not rocket science, theres an awful lot of bad, greedy breeders about!!!!
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For all that i said in my post, you chose to focus on this.



Quote 'I took that to mean 'the breeders who know what they are doing', not 'the breeders, who know what they are doing'...ho hum...I agree. There are people doing a much better job of it than I ever could and I will leave it to them

This is exactly what i meant.

as for it being not rocket science... Perhaps not, but it takes a bit of know how to do it properly. Knowing about breed standards and choosing animals that will compliment each other, knowing about the tempraments of the dogs going back the generations, knowing if there is something going wrong when whelping and before, knowing what to do if it does. Lot's of things that joe bloggs wouldn't know. I have met people with really poor specimens of their breed who talk about breeding.
Why would any

That is why i leave it to the breeder who has experience, and is reputable and honest.

I have had dobermanns 25 years and never bred a litter.
 
All my poor poor dogs go to the vets as soon as there little nuts appear :) poor gizmo was in at just 5 months as his appeard fast. I would never breed a dog or cat there are far far too many animals out there. I even think everyone including pedigrees should stop breeding for at least a year or so to help slightly reduces the number of unwanted animals.
 
We don't and never would breed now...but in the past my Mum has bred Golden Retrievers. Now quoting somebody up there (something about responsible breeders only breeding working and well known show lines) there was no well known breed lines with our pooches (not the most 'popular' (I can't think of what else to say :P ) lines that most people know of anyway) and they weren't working dogs.
However, they didn't do bad in the show ring (for the time we did it until we lost our girl in an accident and my Mum didn't want to go back to it after) and they were sold as pets - purebreed Goldies, whose parents were hip scored with good results, had no other problems, and puppies could be seen both with or without parents upon purchase. (We also just didn't pick a random male to mate with - homework was done! :p ) During the pregnancy the vets were heavily involved with healthchecks etc. Before puppies were sold, we did the necessary checks to see we were satisfied with their new homes and after the puppies were sold (vaccinated, ID'd, wormed etc), we kept in touch with the owners (in fact we still have some contact 24 years on!).
Are people saying we weren't responsible breeders as they weren't intended for the show ring or a working life?? Thiswas the first time we'd ever bred and I don't think we did bad! :rolleyes:

Just to add....none of the puppies were bred from after that either! :)
 
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but it has made my decision much easier. I have 7 year old poodle which my husband has never wanted to have castrated. I have always wanted to have him done as do not want the stress of him running away every time a dogs on heat. My husband thinks it will change his personality too much and he will not want to go on walks, play and wil get fat. I think he is exaggerating but anyway would still be prepared to take the risk. He is not here most of the time so its not him who deals with it anyway!!!!! Do you think 7 is too old, and what can I expect to happen to his personality? I am also prepared for all of your rage, and I don't blame you but really it was not my decision but now I am putting my foot down.
 
Quartz get him done please there is also health issues with dogs that dont have the chop, tumors can apper its alot better to get them done. Vets offer a blood test if you are worried about his age the test will see if everything is in order.
 
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