Why use a ''not fully qualified'' EDT?

[JackDaniels1]

Quite a few people local to me have recommended several EDT who all don't appear on the BEVA list and therefore they are not fully qualified? is that right?

Why use someone who isnt fully qualified? I know they are quite a bit cheaper but surely wouldnt you rather use a fully qualified EDT?

I was amazed to find my local sport horse stud (which is a well known very successful stud) uses a guy who isn't fully qualified so do a couple of instructors I know!

Just a Q!?

 

[jumpthemoon]

I used someone who wasn't fully qualified once. I was convinced my horse was in pain from his teeth and she came out and looked and said he was fine and didn't need doing.

About 4 weeks later I was still not happy so called a proper EDT who came out and filed some horrible sharp edges from my horses teeth. he was much better after that and I would always use an EDT now, although occasionally if he is booked up I use the vet, but only as an alternate (ie vet - 6months - EDT - 6 months - vet and so on)

 

[Sarah1]

My EDT isn't on the list but I'm almost positive he's qualified?! He certainly advertises as being BEVA qualified...
Maybe the list needs updating?

 

[JackDaniels1]

Who do you use? sorry might of asked you before!

 

[Pearlsasinger]

Well I've managed to go even better than that, our EDT started as a vet, so is dual qualified.

 

[LadyRascasse]

my edt isn't listed but he is definatly qualified because he works along side the vets in the area

 

[Sarah1]

We use Marcus Fasey & have always found him to be very good

 

[VictoriaEDT]

The list was updated in February after this years exams.

I wonder the same thing, I know i read on here time after time people saying "i have used so and so for 20 odd years with no problems, he is vey popular, cheap and yes unqualified with no training but he has experience on his side"........this really worries me because there are a ridiculous amount of unqualified EDTs that should not be allowed to do the work they do and we as qualified EDTs rely on you guys to support us and make a stand to only use qualified EDTs.

Yes, there are a few working towards their exams and training with BEVA and if they ask BEVA they will supply them with a letter stating that their intentions are to take the exam and these guys need support, but there are few of them.

For all those EDTs (like those mentioned in ponydentist post yesterday) that think they know it all just because they have been doing it for 20 odd years........then why dont they take the exam? regardless of whether they think they need to or not, this is not the issue, with legislation/EDT politics like it is nowadays......it is kind of a non brainer to me.

 

[VictoriaEDT]

Here is the list, if they arent on it then they are not BEVA qualified. This one was updated in June 09.

Wayne Abbott South West 01761 471071
Dean Andrews East Midlands 07770 405098
Dan Astle-Carter North of England 07929 269291
Henry Billson South West 01934 712591
Adrian Brazier Midlands 07932 690271
David Brown Scotland, Mainland Europe 07971 234365
Penny Brownings East & West Sussex (South East) 01323 815120
Rachel Burton East Anglia 07968 445509
Alyson Calladine West Midlands 07866 678158
Mat Carter Midlands 07799 374445
Miriam Casey South West England, Ireland 07936 423528
Grant Chanter South West, Bucks, Herts, Beds 07768 094850
David Collier Wales 07779 724647
Will Cooper South West, Cambs 07743 392791
Martin Danzebrink Beds, Bucks, Herts 07720 299269
Keith Evans Devon & Cornwall 01364 642042
Richard Frost MRCVS East Anglia 01284 789428
Andrew Gardner South to Mid Wales 07974 000417
Stuart Garrard East Anglia 07802 449769
Lee Gosden Donkey Sanctuary + South West 07966 526524
Craig Griffiths Cheshire 01606 333119
Victoria Hammond South West, South Central 07795 967203
Robin Harding Shropshire, Cheshire, N. Wales 01948 830365
Dorian Harwood Bucks, Berks,Beds,Herts,South East 07967 662779
Rebecca Hawkes Kent, Sussex, Surrey 07974 764661
Marc Higgins N. Ireland & Rep. of Ireland 00353876884908
Colin Hill Berkshire 01344 427765
Sam Hole MRCVS Midlands 07775 596718
Diane Holliday Greater Manchester Area 07989 926721
Karl Holliman MRCVS South East 07831 426949
Geraint Hughes Shropshire 07974 097571
Alex Jessett Warwickshire & surrounding area 07980 012041
Chris Johannson MRCVS South West 01884 841100
Claire Johnson Glos, South West 07760 154100
Chris Keate Sussex, Kent, Surrey 01323 842176
Sally Kingsley MRCVS North England 01423 711860
Shane Kitching Leicestershire/Derbyshire 07774 226302
Toby Lee South West 01934 712591
Jayne Liebscher South East 01252 842357
Gemma Lilly Donkey Sanctuary + Devon 07970 379434
Fred McKenna Hants, South West, Aberdeenshire 01980 846017
Charlie Mitchell MRCVS South East, South West 01420 82163
James Noble North West, Scotland 07748 405377
Francesca Ody South West & Scotland 07787 817657
Rob Pascoe MRCVS Kent, East Sussex 01622 813700
Chris Pearce MRCVS South West 01202 823512
Tom Phillips Lincs, Notts, Leicestershire 01529 241522
Stuart Philpott Wilts, Oxford, Glos, Berks 07855 792955
Simon Pratley South East, South West 01934 820855
Justin Pugh Wales 07970 730226
Suzanne Redford South East 01403 864024
David Regan Glos, Oxon, Warwcs 07711 704577
Beverley Rippon East Anglia 01638 507117
Tony Rose South East, South West 01425 674415
Robert Ruddy Yorkshire 01904 491836
Alex Scott Scotland, North England 07721336837
Stuart Shaw Midlands 07970699786
Lucy Smith Berkshire, Wiltshire, Gloucestershire 07771 933896
Rupert Smith Oxon, Bucks, Northamptonshire 01280 704992
Gill Spinney Devon and Cornwall 01566 86056
Ivan Stockdale Cheshire 01270 780886
Adrian Sutherland Northern Ireland 00353567724559
Mark Tabachnik N.Cheshire/Stockport/Gr Manchester 08458 330034
Amy Taylor MRCVS South West 01202 823512
Nicola Taylor-Smith East Midlands 07789 404422
Mark Thorne North of England, Scotland 07850 011518
Anthony Tory South West, South East 01672 541437
Andrew Walker MRCVS South West 01884 841100
Philippa Walker Worcestershire 07710 427197
Martin Walls Hampshire/Surrey (borders) 01962 777790
Paul Waudby Yorks, Lancs, Cumbria, N East,Scottish Borders 07720 416217
Stephen Welsh Warwickshire and surrounding counties 07940 488234
Stephen Williams South West 01209 718492
Greg Wood Hampshire, Buckinghamshire, Surrey 02380 692671
Mark Youngs East Anglia 01502 569894

 

[VictoriaEDT]

Got to go back out to work now and battle the elements but i will look forward the reading peoples views later!

 

[Silverspring]

I have to saying haved used an EDT listed there I was shocked at quite how sh!t he was. He was scared of the horse, rough with her mouth and ended up totally freaking her out. I now use a guy who is based in France and travels over to the UK to work one week a month, he's very good with the horses and the vet has checked his work and is happy the guy is qualified.

To sum up just becuase a EDT is listed or qualified doesn't make them good.

 

[Indy]

Marcus is qualified - I checked his qualifications when I started using him.

Does it cost money to have your details advertisede? If so could he have opted out of being listed?

 

[MardyMare]

Well I use one that is not on there but has qualifications from America and I wouldnt change him for anything. He is great with my horses and improved one of my mares from his first visit (after wanting a second opinion from using one that was UK qualified) I have used him for 4 years now

 

[stencilface]

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Marcus is qualified - I checked his qualifications when I started using him.

Does it cost money to have your details advertisede? If so could he have opted out of being listed?

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Is that Marcus Fasey from Yorks area? I haven't used him but plan to when my current (very old but not qualified) dentist retires.

I have used one of the guys on that list, and although they may be qualified they have absolutely no confidence around horses, and turned a usually calm horse into a complete nervous wreck, needless to say would not have again

 

[Sarah1]

I thought he was!

As I say we've always found him very good & I would recommend him to anyone that asked...

 

[Hoofprints in the Snow]

I think I use the same dentist as you. He does a good job and doesn't rush.

 

[Sarah1]

Yep one 'n the same!

He's always been very understanding with my lad even when he's been throwing a hissy fit about having his teeth done! He's very patient and know's how to treat the horses so that they don't walk all over him but he's not being rough either.

 

[Rana]

Have used 3 from that list and 2 not on the list.

The 2 not on the list actually did a reasonable job (checked by vet) but I wasn't 100% convinced about using someone unregistered (even with strong recommendations).

1 on the list insisted on every horse being sedated before she'd even look at it.

1 on the list was awful and I can't quite believe he's still in business - but he's the EDT to have in this area, recommended by all vets. Blood everywhere, terrified horses, never again.

The other one on the list is good, very calm with the horses and the patience of a saint! You know who you are

 

[Sarah1]

Ours qualified in US too originally but is now qualified in UK...

 

[miss_c]

Mine isn't on the list, but she's a vet who specialised in Equine Dentistry.

 

[MurphysMinder]

Well both the ones I use are on the list, but I knew that cos I had already checked. It is interesting about the chap that is apparently qualified but not on the list, I do think it needs clarifyiing if people have to pay to go on the list. Alternatively, if this guy has been missed off I would have thought he would have reason to be pretty put out.
I once used someone who had qualified abroad (not on the list) and works part over here and part abroad, he did a good job on donkey but was VERY slow, and when he came to do pony, she threw her head about a bit and he said he couldn't do her without sedation which was fair enough. Rather than wait to tie in his next visit with vet I had her teeth done by vet, with sedation.

 

[dieseldog]

Because I have used three of the dentists on the qualified list and none of them were very good, in fact one was awful. So much for being qualified.

The first one decided to ignore that fact that my mare had a tooth missing which meant that the top one had 'grown' down into the gap left and the poor horse had a tooth that was an inch longer than the rest - how can a dentist miss that?

The other two came up to do our horses, sat and slated the the horses teeth saying that whoever had done it last was awful etc etc - except they had done it last.......

The one I use now is £45 so I don't think is any cheaper than a BEVA one. But he does a good job, unlike the BEVA ones

There are probably good BEVA ones somewhere just as there are good non BEVA ones.

 

[Indy]

Marcus is very good, he is very patient and spends time with the horse. I like him a lot. The only problem is now my boys are at home it's a pain to get the electric rigged up for Marcus to use the electric rasp. We could do it but it's just awkward so I have been speaking to Paul Waudby - he doesn't use electric tools just a hand held rasp and he says he is quite experienced with miniature shetlands so would be happy for me to inflict my shetland on him.

Does anyone have any experience of Paul Waudby?

Marcus is very good though

 

[Sarah1]

I don't have experience of Paul Waudby sorry - will keep my ears open tho incase anyone on yard has used him...

 

[Flame_]

My horse dentist isn't on the list but I've used him for years, I've never had any problems, he fixed a mare I bought who quidded and he's an absolute dude. No reason to change IMO.

 

[CrazyMare]

Well you know my feelings on it.

I ment to reply to your last PM acctually, I'd totally forgotten...sorry!

Have those of you who use unlisted EDT's checked that they are acctually insured in case something awful happens while they are treating your horse?

 

[The Bouncing Bog Trotter]

I'm getting confuddled. Are there two bodies who register and recognise 'horse dentists'? And if there are 2 bodies please can someone explain, in layman's terms, the difference between the 2 bodies?
Thanks in advance.

 

[VictoriaEDT]

am being brief as i am on mobile.

rubyredshoes - http://www.wwaed.org/
here is the other organisation of recognised EDTs but not as big/well known as BEVA and wwaed members cannot join the BAEDT. BEVA exam also runs in conjunction with the british veterinary dental association.

To the others: NO you do not pay to be on the list......you pass the exam then you go on the list. Not sure why Marcus is not on there, dont know much about him but will find out.

Rana: thank you!

 

[cbmcts]

I'd happily use a BEVA EDT.....if I could get one at under £80 per horse. If you add in sedation for the silly sec D my 6 monthly bill for 2 horses would be over £250. I'm in South Essex and there are no qualified EDTs locally so you have to pay an arm and leg in travelling costs (doesn't seem to make any difference how many people they are seeing in an area)

I've used "qualified abroad" EDTs and vets in the past with very mixed results. Some were just ok, one or two were worse than useless and actually made matters worse. In fairness, my Sec D is a muppet and very difficult to deal with once he starts to lose the plot but so many of them didn't appear able to stay calm around him which always made his behaviour even worse!

I now use an "old style" guy who's been doing teeth for years - my vet hates him because he's not qualified - but even he admits that he does a good job

Only £20 a time too or £10 if no work is needed and after 2 years with him we can now do the welsh with just sedalin instead of nearly a GA.

The other thing I like about him is if there is something he thinks is too technical for him he has no hesitation in recommending that you go to the vet.

 

[JLav]

Our local father and son team don't appear to be on the list either but they are very definately qualified!!

The father was one of the first lot of dentists to pass the exam and his son passed the year after.

Why would they not appear on the list?