Yard have been negligent.

lea840 said:
A bog... define 'Bog' because we havn't had proper rain for a few weeks now... anyone elses yard like a 'Bog' at the moment??
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caitlineloise said:
After reading this thread, I'd like to know this too!

The grounds rock hard where we are.
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Same. Unless your fields are crisscrossed by rivers, I fail to see how the field is a bog. Also, I gather no definitive diagnosis has been made? No swabs yet?

And why are you on about selling this horse/pony that you love so dearly?
 
None of it makes any sense at all to me!

Strangles is spread through direct contact with 'snot', usually horse to horse but can be via equipment. However, it doesn't survive long in the environment. So, jump all over me if you like, but a horse living on its own and hacking out where it is not going to come in contact with others is of little to no risk, surely? Strangles is nasty (been there, done that) and had the guttural pouch wash thing, but the prof at Leahurst didn't tell me to lock my pony away from the rest of society, so surely, apart from the odd one to succumb to b a s t a r d (it put a row of asterisks!) strangles and purpura haemorrhagica the whole strangles thing is well overcooked?

Also, out of the six horses at mine at the time (all in close contact) one got a sublingual abscess and was very poorly, one had slight snot and coughed for two or three days and three showed no symptoms at all - and two of those were under four at the time. The original sufferer had a very high temp, no snot or abscess but got guttural pouch empyema. The people who were responsible for giving it to her (and it cut her life short and cost me a fortune) knew about the abscess in another pony they had and actually subsequently lost one themselves. And still they borrowed her and omitted to mention the abscess???? I will never forgive the person who really should have known better, considering their 'standing' in the horse world. It's unclear what did for their pony because it had a bleed so I suspect a guttural pouch mycosis type of thing. Had very similar symptoms to my old girl but I went overboard on treatment. Guttural pouch empyema is nasty, I'll give you that.

Gah, now I sound as crackers as the OP!

I got on with it, paid up and learnt a lesson about people.
 
ohhhhh brighteyes my 2 caught it at end of winter - didnt do winter shows - and on top of moors with no contact with other horses - vet said was air brorne - trust me cost a fecking fortune as i nearly lost my cob holly. was horrendous but with good vets and care they come through yay yay
 
babymare said:
ohhhhh brighteyes my 2 caught it at end of winter - didnt do winter shows - and on top of moors with no contact with other horses - vet said was air brorne - trust me cost a fecking fortune as i nearly lost my cob holly. was horrendous but with good vets and care they come through yay yay
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Strangles ,airbourne?? Not very likely. Strangles ,Vet bourne, far more likely.:cool:
 
lea840 said:
I agree with you Charlie on this...

If you cannot afford a £400 vet bill then I suggest you get a "For Sale" sign on your house before taking someone through the small claims court, yes it might be inexpensive (Approx £60) to lodge a claim but unless you know your Negligence 100% inside out then you will be scoffed for breakfast in court and no disrespect to you in any way shape or form but you havn't set your stall out very well here, so you wont stand a chance in court against a breif... be prepared because this £400 vets bill you have at the moment will feel like loose change in your pocket if you lose... Legal costs can very quickly and very steeply build up!
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Neither side in a Small Claims Court can claim legal fees or any other expenses of each other - so no worries there.
 
Strangles or no strangles, your yard owner has more than likely put your horse in a bog field in the hope that you do move! one of the quickest ways to get rid of a livery is to pess them off, and the fact of the matter is, if you rant on at the YO in the same manner as you have done here, I don't blame them!
go and brush your horse!
 
dieselmdog you are wrong. i went to small claims and won. and claimed expenses for myself and my witnesses. i could also have claimed my travel costs and time. i chose not to as winning the case was the aim. the other party paid the original bill that was in dispute plus the expenses.
 
ofcourseyoucan said:
dieselmdog you are wrong. i went to small claims and won. and claimed expenses for myself and my witnesses. i could also have claimed my travel costs and time. i chose not to as winning the case was the aim. the other party paid the original bill that was in dispute plus the expenses.
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Being able to claim costs is very unusual in the small claims court . Unless the other party has behaved extremely unreasonably, expenses are severely restriicted.
 
MrsD123 said:
You are not aware about strangles testing, my horse has never been tested, it is not necessary, it is self evident, it is symptomatic, just as when you go to the doctor with a bacterial infection in your lungs, they don't test for the disease, they treat the symptoms.
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So where have the vets bills materialised from then?

No tests, just treatment? A couple of series of antiobiotics wouldn't cost that much at all.

If your horse has got the disease, then surely he is ill, so why are you considering riding him?

If he hasn't got the disease, when will he be tested and proven clear?

I'm as confused as everyone else.

As for whether you should or should not be insured (for vets fees) I think that's personal choice, but consider you need some sort of back-up plan for paying vets bills as they arise. After all, if you have a sick cat, the bill can easily come to a few hundred quid, so you'd consider horses to be the same wouldn't you?
 
ofcourseyoucan said:
dieselmdog you are wrong. i went to small claims and won. and claimed expenses for myself and my witnesses. i could also have claimed my travel costs and time. i chose not to as winning the case was the aim. the other party paid the original bill that was in dispute plus the expenses.
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Same here, but OP needs to be aware she has to claim her "costs" of caring for her horse, vets fees etc BACK, meaning that she has to pay them first and than claim back through the courts, so her money problems won't go away by going to court. My case took 2 years and I won, but she won't as she's a troll :)
 
Maybe we are being too hard on the OP. If she really has been professionally involved with horses for 50+ years she must be of an age where dementia has to be considered as a possibility.
 
Ooh careful!

I just had a pm from the OP, stating that i 'Get off her case'

Love - if your vet bills are £500, and u cant afford them as YOU chose to not be insured then that is your problem.

By the time that first horse came to the yard it was too late.

You come accross as down right selfish - your not bothered about your horse being ill as such, your more bothered by how much it has cost you and the fact you cant ride.

The fact that once again in your pm you state how u want to ride out, there are no horses in sight (which isnt the point really) just shows what a crack pot you are.

Get a grip, pay your bills as all other horsey people do and accept that while it isnt ideal - its horses and it happens.

Oh yeah - dont bother pming me again!
 
I had a PM too, I feel honoured!
Mine was explaining that there was no need to groom when the horse rolls in a muddy field. Again, I am mystified to where this mud is hiding!
 
OP is either the livery from hell or a Troll, I cannot make my mind up which she is :rolleyes:


If the former, I feel very sorry for her YO!
 
The fact that once again in your pm you state how u want to ride out, there are no horses in sight (which isnt the point really) just shows what a crack pot you are.
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And all this desipite the horse needing to be sedated to clean out the abcesses.... Poor lad.
 
£400 does not sound like that large a vets bill tbh, my last vets bill for my dog was about that much. :confused:

One thing all these sorts of threads show is how royally screwed we will be if (when?) a more serious exotic disease enters the country:eek: The information on preventing these problems and minimising them when they do happen is out there, people need to seek it out before it all goes tits up!
 
I would like to ask the OP where the bedding costs she PM'd AmyMay about have come from?
He lives out in a bog..
Secondly, are you serious?!! You have a horse with a highly contagious disease and you haven't even tested for it?!!!
I paid £400 and more for my mare to undergo investigation for lameness behind and the vets found nothing. I would never begrudge a vets bill for my horse. Especially if they are that precious to you.
 
Damnation said:
I would like to ask the OP where the bedding costs she PM'd AmyMay about have come from?
He lives out in a bog..
Secondly, are you serious?!! You have a horse with a highly contagious disease and you haven't even tested for it?!!!
I paid £400 and more for my mare to undergo investigation for lameness behind and the vets found nothing. I would never begrudge a vets bill for my horse. Especially if they are that precious to you.
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Yes, I thought the bedding costs were interesting. I mean obviously when you have a stable you have bedding, and lord knows it's expensive. But allegedly he's not allowed in the stable....... :confused:

Re not testing for the strangles - I suppose if it's on the yard and a horse develops the symptoms then it's going to be pretty obvious what it is. So testing per se is not always necessary.

I have to say though the more the OP posts the more convinced I am that this is a welfare case. The conditions that the pony are allegedly kept in sound very concerning........
 
I would still have my horse swabbed, how else will you know if he is clear or not since according to MrsD the outbreak started 3 months ago.

Why did the owners of the horses not iscolate the horses? I know I would! Management of a yard can't do alot of people are still going to insist on mixing with diseased horses.

And lastly, £400 is not a big bill. And where has the bill come from? If I recall rightly she said he had a dull coat but thats it, so where has the sedation to clean the pouches come from?

Perhaps I am reading too much into this ;)
 
AM, you may well be right, the horse lives in a bog never get grooms, and is being ridden whilst having strangles, not to mention abcesses. :rolleyes:

that poor poor horse.
 
jhoward said:
AM, you may well be right, the horse lives in a bog never get grooms, and is being ridden whilst having strangles, not to mention abcesses. :rolleyes:

that poor poor horse.
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I had assumed it was a troll, but you may well be right. Perhaps this is a case for the authorities? :(
 
Right i havnt read all the posts, to be honest its far far to close to home for me.

OP, get a grip.
In Jan 09 my yard got strangles, as a diy yard the owners took not real intrest or responsability for containing it. People where lax about it all some where better than others but it went through the whole yard near enough, the geldings first then it jump to some of the mares. In Easter that year my mare got it, i had kept her clear for about 3 months so do not for one miniute think i did not do enough. She was one of the last to get it by the way.
On May 18th she was pts. She developed barst strangles and the absesses in her gut made her colic, i was offered the option for her to have an op but she was 19 and had been ill for to long i made the desision to let her go. I cant explain to you that after 14 years of my horse never being ill how much it killed me watching her get worse.
I wasnt insured so after the vet bills and cremation costs i paid the 2k bill out of my own pocket and made no complaint.
You have the cheek to ask for compensation! I blame the yard for not doing enough, i blame the people for not being careful enough, i blame the people who bought the horse on the yard but never would i seek compensation. Its life, its done and i cant change it. I know i did my best and i did the right thing.
Its coming up 2 years and i still miss her like mad, maybe you should be greatful for what you've got. i would pay £400 just to have my girl back, stop being so ungreatful.

Sorry for the spelling, i try not to get involved in stuff like this but its struck a nerve and im a bit angry.
 
I too got a PM. but it didnt really make sense.

I'm a bit torn, because yes this might be a troll but what if it isnt. There is a poor horse out there in the middle of the only bog in the country, and its owner doesnt give a chuff about its welfare!!!

P.s. i live right near two rivers and they certainly arent boggy, and all the streams have nearly dried up :(
 
MrsD123 said:
I am pissed that he is being kept in one field which is not ideal, when there are other fields I could use that would allow me to hack out on mu own. This could go on for months, tests, tests test, some horses have tested negative but have still been kept in quarantine.
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How can you hack out if your horse is meant to be in isolation? Isolation means just that, not going out.

FWIW I was told many years ago by a very experienced vet that it was better for a yard if a horse got strangles, that if precautions didn't work and another got it too, that it was better to treat them as normal which would mean that the disease would not linger on as long, there would be no dribs and drabs of weeks between another getting it so it would be all done and dusted in a far shorter time than seems to be the case here but that was when yards would only have the owner's horses to cope with so it was better to get it over and done with. For all the ructions this instance seems to have caused (haven't read the next 2 pages yet!) it might have been a better course of action here too.
 
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