Yet another delightful rider..... not..... when will this end?

Who is the rider?

The name is familiar but I don't know why.

One of the horses on another reel on the page has poor feet though but not sure if it's their horse or just one in the same field
 
My brow did raise when I saw her love heart comment on the post about the showjumping horse's owner.

There's been an update on that, not yet specifically on the welfare stuff.

Also if anyone who knows about pacers wouldn't mind me DM'ing a video to them - I'm interested in if I'm seeing what I see (from looking up MW to check it was who I thought it was!)
 
SaddlePsych'D said:
My brow did raise when I saw her love heart comment on the post about the showjumping horse's owner.

There's been an update on that, not yet specifically on the welfare stuff.

Also if anyone who knows about pacers wouldn't mind me DM'ing a video to them - I'm interested in if I'm seeing what I see (from looking up MW to check it was who I thought it was!)
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happy to look
 
Marshpiper said:
Think the part owner is going to publish all details shortly…
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Part owner has published details, but nothing on vet issues of the horse but that it appears to be an ownership dispute and she withdrew permission to compete as she wasn't listed as an owner.

So who knows if the horse is competing injured or not or whether that was a way to gain traction for what appears to be a dispute.
 
eahotson said:
I do think that we should all remember that every one if us does things that we regret later and we all from time to time make poor judgements.Would we want to be punished for life for it?
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Nahh, this wasnt just a smack with a whip, this was a really dumb thing to do and showed a total lack of empathy for the horse. She was at the top of her profession, you generally behave BETTER when you're in the public view. Yes, she deserves to not compete again and yes she shouldnt own horses IMO if this is the sort of stuff she was "caught" doing. What else does she do at home behind closed doors?
 
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Just beyond belief - especially having read the full post by the co-owner and watched the videos of the lameness exam.

If you're having to try to drag a horse along by the headcollar to get them to trot, in addition to them being chased by a lunge whip, is it really in question as to whether the horse is remotely comfortable or not?

Shame on the FEI in particular. I hope the s*** hits the fan on this one. So many horses out there will be experiencing the same sort of treatment and life - thank goodness this one has a co-owner prepared to speak out and raise awareness.
 
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PurpleSpots said:
Just beyond belief - especially having read the full post by the co-owner and watched the videos of the lameness exam.

If you're having to try to drag a horse along by the headcollar to get them to trot, in addition to them being chased by a lunge whip, is it really in question as to whether the horse is remotely comfortable or not?

Shame on the FEI in particular. I hope the s*** hits the fan on this one. So many horses out there will be experiencing the same sort of treatment and life - thank goodness this one has a co-owner prepared to speak out and raise awareness.
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The complaint is the horse is competing lame, as horrible as these videos are, it isn't proof that the horse is currently competing lame (obviously it might be but we don't have any videos of the trot ups at the FEI shows).

I'm just a bit wary of this whole situation as there seems to be an ownership legal dispute and we haven't heard the rider and/or other owners side.
 
U.N.Owen said:
The complaint is the horse is competing lame, as horrible as these videos are, it isn't proof that the horse is currently competing lame (obviously it might be but we don't have any videos of the trot ups at the FEI shows).

I'm just a bit wary of this whole situation as there seems to be an ownership legal dispute and we haven't heard the rider and/or other owners side.
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If you have a read of the co-owner's full post it states that there is not an ownership dispute. She withdrew her permission for the horse to compete in May 2025, and has had two independent veterinary assessments of the horse performed since - the other owners are said to have agreed to these. On both occasions the vet report states that the horse would not pass as fit to compete (or words to that effect), yet the horse has still been competing at 1m45 (and several times at that) since the first assessment. The most recent veterinary assessment by the independent vet was done in November, and it stated that the horse is not significantly better compared to the first assessment. The horse competed again (for I think the 7th or 8th time since permission was withdrawn) in December.

I am usually wary of things like this, but I have seen enough to feel that having an opinion about the situation is warranted.

One of the issues is that the horse appears lame on all 4 legs so to some would just appear short-striding, and from first-hand experience I know it is perfectly possible for horses like this to be passed as 'sound enough to compete' sadly, even by a panel of apparently experienced vets.
 
PurpleSpots said:
If you have a read of the co-owner's full post it states that there is not an ownership dispute. She withdrew her permission for the horse to compete in May 2025, and has had two independent veterinary assessments of the horse performed since - the other owners are said to have agreed to these. On both occasions the vet report states that the horse would not pass as fit to compete (or words to that effect), yet the horse has still been competing at 1m45 (and several times at that) since the first assessment. The most recent veterinary assessment by the independent vet was done in November, and it stated that the horse is not significantly better compared to the first assessment. The horse competed again (for I think the 7th or 8th time since permission was withdrawn) in December.

I am usually wary of things like this, but I have seen enough to feel that having an opinion about the situation is warranted.
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There is a post from the previous day where she details the ownership dispute.
 
U.N.Owen said:
There is a post from the previous day where she details the ownership dispute.
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I don't think the ownership aspect is being disputed; she purchased a share in the horse and there seems to be no dispute over that - the ownership aspect is that her details as co-owner were not being submitted or displayed on show entries. This is where the action of her withdrawing her permission for the horse to compete came in. It seems that shortly after that she had the first lameness assessment done and things have rather snowballed as it became apparent that the horse was seriously uncomfortable.

ETA: Crikey, the horse in question is a stallion. Makes those videos of the trot ups even worse somehow - no joie de vivre whatsoever :( .
 
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The FEI can only go off what the vets at the shows are seeing- the horse is regularly passing trot ups at big shows (they are not flexing the horse, so presumably the lameness is not showing without flexions). I've just watched some recent videos of the horse on CMH and he's trotting into the ring looking fine. I don’t like how he's being ridden, but the horse is performing well.
 
PurpleSpots said:
One of the issues is that the horse appears lame on all 4 legs so to some would just appear short-striding, and from first-hand experience I know it is perfectly possible for horses like this to be passed as 'sound enough to compete' sadly, even by a panel of apparently experienced vets.
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on the vids that’s all after flexion though, FEI vets aren’t seeing that.
 
From the videos I watched earlier there are sadly plenty of pain indicators present in my opinion.

From some videos of the same horse from a few years ago there are also pain indicators to see - perhaps the horse has been having to cope for a long time, but the issues have been under the radar, so to speak, seeing as there's the potential that multiple legs and joints seem to be affected (as per the recent vet report).

It may well be that in a show environment in a short trot up the discomfort is less obvious - but this is where the horse's connections should be advocating for him. Those videos from 'home' do not show a comfortable horse, and that's the bottom line.

The FEI appear to have brushed aside their responsibility in the face of several rules and aspects of welfare being disregarded.
 
That horse is broken all over

How the fei vets can't see something is not plausible, but then bilateral lameness

Quality of vets

More indepth scrutiny at compo vetting, allowing dodgy horses to race or compete is no longer an option

Perhaps it's on something

It opens the door to how many other physically compromised horses are competing

How many horses are being broken physically by competing And modern training methods
 
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