Yet another delightful rider..... not..... when will this end?

TheMule said:
You might be onto something there because the mare did actually pull up lame right hind part way through a round in Geneva a few weeks after this video (having jumped at 2 further International shows including passing the trot ups in between)
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Yes, that's right, she stopped in Geneva, Ben Maher had a fall and she went out of the ring, really lame on her right hind.

She was pulled off the show the next days.

Fingers crossed, she will be ok.
 
Peglo said:
The comments 🤢
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I guess a lot of people are in favour of repeatedly whipping a confused horse to get "results". Probably Ok to kick your dog a couple of times for not doing what it's told.

What? It's not the same thing? Bullying is bullying however and whatever you do it to. And if you treat an animal like that, you are a bully and bullies have their hangers-on, so that'll explain the comments section. It's very sad. Humans can really suck. :(
 
BurntontheoutsideTurkey said:
I think you may be over-estimating the weight the governing bodies put on the views of random members of the public.
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Can I just clarify on this point - firstly Charlotte did not contest any decision with the FEI so accepted the guilt and hence why there was no tribunal or case to be answered so FEI went with the 1 year ban. Plus there was not other evidence of sustained abuse over a period of time with more people coming out the woodwork in order to make a case about sustained abuse. It was treated as a one off incident.

In the Andrew McConnon case the FEI wanted a lifetime ban but it went towards panel who are made up of 30 judges/lawyers which the FEI can call on and select 3 for each case. They then threw out a lot of evidence, gave it no weight or didn't hear from select witnesses so he ended up with a 2 year ban. I am a fierce critic of a lot of what the FEI does but in these cases they have acted in a fair way. I don't agree with the panels decision but it has been held in a legal way to come up with the outcome. In this outcome the FEI hands were held.

Lauren Kieffer made a good point, that the eyes of the world will be on them all the time now and there will be no 2nd chances for either rider. The result of their actions will stay with them throughout their careers and they will be punished far further than just the bans held by the FEI. Though administratively they have been let off lightly to allow them to compete again, the reality is their actions will be held over them for life and cost them dearly.
 
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LEC said:
Can I just clarify on this point - firstly Charlotte did not contest any decision with the FEI so accepted the guilt and hence why there was no tribunal or case to be answered so FEI went with the 1 year ban. Plus there was not other evidence of sustained abuse over a period of time with more people coming out the woodwork in order to make a case about sustained abuse. It was treated as a one off incident.

In the Andrew McConnon case the FEI wanted a lifetime ban but it went towards panel who are made up of 30 judges/lawyers which the FEI can call on and select 3 for each case. They then threw out a lot of evidence, gave it no weight or didn't hear from select witnesses so he ended up with a 2 year ban. I am a fierce critic of a lot of what the FEI does but in these cases they have acted in a fair way. I don't agree with the panels decision but it has been held in a legal way to come up with the outcome. In this outcome the FEI hands were held.

Lauren Kieffer made a good point, that the eyes of the world will be on them all the time now and there will be no 2nd chances for either rider. The result of their actions will stay with them throughout their careers and they will be punished far further than just the bans held by the FEI. Though administratively they have been let off lightly to allow them to compete again, the reality is their actions will be held over them for life.
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Well, I haven't written to the FEI over any specific rider penalty but on their approach to welfare issues more broadly. My issue is that horse sports are such an inessential activity that there is no compelling reason for any welfare infringements at all to be tolerated.
 
LEC said:
The result of their actions will stay with them throughout their careers and they will be punished far further than just the bans held by the FEI. Though administratively they have been let off lightly to allow them to compete again, the reality is their actions will be held over them for life and cost them dearly.
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That doesn't appear so, at least in Charlotte's case. She's back competing at the highest level after her maternity leave and she still apparently has legions of fans who think she can do no wrong.
My guess is she'll be selected for the GB squad too, so where are her actions being held over her and costing her dearly?
 
LEC said:
Can I just clarify on this point - firstly Charlotte did not contest any decision with the FEI so accepted the guilt and hence why there was no tribunal or case to be answered so FEI went with the 1 year ban. Plus there was not other evidence of sustained abuse over a period of time with more people coming out the woodwork in order to make a case about sustained abuse. It was treated as a one off incident.

In the Andrew McConnon case the FEI wanted a lifetime ban but it went towards panel who are made up of 30 judges/lawyers which the FEI can call on and select 3 for each case. They then threw out a lot of evidence, gave it no weight or didn't hear from select witnesses so he ended up with a 2 year ban. I am a fierce critic of a lot of what the FEI does but in these cases they have acted in a fair way. I don't agree with the panels decision but it has been held in a legal way to come up with the outcome. In this outcome the FEI hands were held.

Lauren Kieffer made a good point, that the eyes of the world will be on them all the time now and there will be no 2nd chances for either rider. The result of their actions will stay with them throughout their careers and they will be punished far further than just the bans held by the FEI. Though administratively they have been let off lightly to allow them to compete again, the reality is their actions will be held over them for life and cost them dearly.
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The fact she said the whip wasnt good enough for hitting them clearly shows she has used another whip to do it. How anyone can say this is a one off is beyond me.

What punishment exactly? A year off on maternity leave and then business as usual? Sorry, but I dont buy it.
 
meleeka said:
That doesn't appear so, at least in Charlotte's case. She's back competing at the highest level after her maternity leave and she still apparently has legions of fans who think she can do no wrong.
My guess is she'll be selected for the GB squad too, so where are her actions being held over her and costing her dearly?
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Missing her place at the Olympics.Being in all the papers for all the wrong reasons.Loosing sponsorship.Having people at the gate of the yard threatening not just her but even her farrier.Not enough?
 
I don't understand how people are commenting positively. I watched the BBC's coverage of the freestyle last night...

Could the commentator gush any more?
A&K showed significant expressions of stress and expectation of punishment, in my opinion, more than once in the test. Green at the level or not established enough does not look like that. I've competed horses outside of their comfort zones, sometimes at a level above where they should be (in error), and it looks different to what A&K showed if a horse is simply trying but not yet quite able. The test told me all I needed to know - that it is highly likely that there is still a significant degree of pressure and unpleasantness involved in the way the horses are being trained.
Yet the test was praised and rewarded. Utterly and completely mental in my opinion.
 
eahotson said:
Missing her place at the Olympics.Being in all the papers for all the wrong reasons.Loosing sponsorship.Having people at the gate of the yard threatening not just her but even her farrier.Not enough?
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The comment above was that her actions will stay with her throughout her career and will cost her dearly. My comment was that it doesn't appear that's the case. She seems to be just carrying on where she left off in terms of her career.
 
meleeka said:
The comment above was that her actions will stay with her throughout her career and will cost her dearly. My comment was that it doesn't appear that's the case. She seems to be just carrying on where she left off in terms of her career.
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Which shows resilience and courage in my opinion.
 
eahotson said:
Missing her place at the Olympics.Being in all the papers for all the wrong reasons.Loosing sponsorship.Having people at the gate of the yard threatening not just her but even her farrier.Not enough?
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These are entirely natural consequences when a well-known and highly popular person turns out not to be quite what they purported to be in public. Who is to say whether the non-official consequences are 'enough'? They're just what happens in situations like this, which is something high-profile people ought to be aware of, particularly when it comes to something as emotive as animal welfare.

This is why a one-strike rule would be better. For horses, for horse sport and for all the people wasting their time arguing/discussing it on social media 🙄 Complete clarity would be great for riders too. If you suspect your skills, patience or ethics aren't up to it, you'd be better in a different profession.
 
BurntontheoutsideTurkey said:
These are entirely natural consequences when a well-known and highly popular person turns out not to be quite what they purported to be in public. Who is to say whether the non-official consequences are 'enough'? They're just what happens in situations like this, which is something high-profile people ought to be aware of, particularly when it comes to something as emotive as animal welfare.

This is why a one-strike rule would be better. For horses, for horse sport and for all the people wasting their time arguing/discussing it on social media 🙄 Complete clarity would be great for riders too. If you suspect your skills, patience or ethics aren't up to it, you'd be better in a different profession.
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We shall have to agree to disagree.
 
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