YO advice how to evict a livery

WandaMare

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When I have experienced these types of situations with people who appear to be behaving rudely and cause an atmosphere (for whatever reason, its not really up to us to speculate), I can honestly say how positively they have reacted once I have discussed it openly and kindly with them. As soon as they realise I am considering their situation as well as my own, they have always been more cooperative and respected me for bringing everything into the open. So rather than wait for this person to break a rule, I would ask for a quick word and say that you have noticed there is an uncomfortable atmosphere when he is around, and this year you are going to do whatever is necessary to resolve the situation. With any luck he will realise that him leaving might be an option you are looking at and a little nudge in the right direction might be all he needs to look at himself and how he is behaving. I would take this approach and keep holding little chats with him until you are happy that he has got the message. If he reacts badly then I would just say you don't think things are working with him on the yard and ask him to go. Don't worry about any ramifications for your reputation, its fine for a YO to ask a livery to leave if he is causing problems on the yard, nothing to feel bad about and all part of being an effective manager and making tough decisions for the greater good.
 

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No one can diagnose except a doctor, and a specialist at that. Whether he has a problem or not is absolutely irrelevant: it is other people who seem to have the problem - with him. So to resolve the problem, ask him to leave.

wasn't aware I or anyone else was diagnosing just pointing out a possibility. If someone has a problem with a disability, say they only had one leg, blind etc would you attempt to help them and take their problem into account or just push past them as their problem was irrelevant to your life.
 

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wasn't aware I or anyone else was diagnosing just pointing out a possibility. If someone has a problem with a disability, say they only had one leg, blind etc would you attempt to help them and take their problem into account or just push past them as their problem was irrelevant to your life.

A visible, easily identifiable problem is not the same as something that is pure speculation based on guesswork. If someone's blindness or one-leggedness was causing a problem on my yard then I would ask them to leave.
 

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People come, people go. I don't know a yard without a waiting list round here.

If I have been on a yard two years and nothing about my conduct had ever been brought to my attention, I think I would be miffed to be honest if the YO me excuses.
They said they haven't done anything wrong.
So simply alter the turnout and give them enough notice to look elsewhere or tweak their management.
 

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How about, 'I am sorry because of my other commitments, I will not be able to turn your horse out this year, so I think it would be best for you to look for another yard, I am telling you now so that you have plenty of time to find somewhere, before April (or whenever you normally start your Summer routine)'.

Or if you prefer just 'I find that I am unable to accommodate your needs, so I am giving you notice, according to our contract, of one month, please make sure that you can remove your horses and other property by ??date'
 

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Surely if OP gives notice without a reason or with a vague 'unable to accommodate you' type non-reason the first question would be 'why?'. If you get drawn in the why/what needs conversation and then start discussing turn out and schoool usage and so on, you may well end up being offered solutions. Which isn't very helpful if those issues aren't actually the real problem. So you might as well be upfront about why in the first place.
 

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Ok thank you all. This is nothing to do with ASD - the guy is behaving like an arse and he knows it (and I think likes being a ‘prickly’ person!).
There are many, many fine details I could go into but won’t - I didn’t want to cause a storm, was simply looking for advice from other YO’s who have had to loose an awkward, nasty livery in some kind of amiable way! I am trying to be professional, authoritive, and have a yard where everyone feels comfortable. We keep horses for pleasure and so many yards have that bad egg that spoil other people’s enjoyment. I don’t want a clicky yard, just for people to get along and be polite to each other. I don’t think that needs writing in a contract - it’s basic communication! If someone says hi it’s polite to at least smile in response, no?! Even the farrier has commented on the atmosphere!
I have had some great comments from here thank you all. I’ve had different points of view and different angles to look at and have decided what to do, thank you 😊
 

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Echo many others here. Be honest with him. Whilst it's your yard and you're entitled to give anyone notice at any time, you do need to consider your reputation - not giving a reason isn't going to help that. I don't think Southerncomfort is being soft when saying it would be fair to have a discussion with him first as he probably has no idea the impact he has on others and giving him another chance seems fair. Otherwise notice due to his behaviour causing atmosphere seems appropriate, but only say other liveries have noticed as well if they actually have. If no other livery has said anything, you may be jumping to conclusions that they avoid him based on how you feel towards him.
Good luck and hope it's resolved, one way or another
 
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