Bossanova
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I'm happy with my mini pony, and you know I win this argument
Young dressage prospects?
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jackpalfreyman
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Sorry, went a bit off subject there!
dressage smessage. down the center line, track backwards in working reverse etc etc etc
dressage smessage. down the center line, track backwards in working reverse etc etc etc
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i totally agree with you and have argued that expression must follow correctness. i never like to see very expressive horses that are not really correct beat correct but slightly boring horses.
my argument assumes correctness and i'm basicly saying the warmbloods will do better because they will perform everything correctly AND extravagently rather than just correctly.
Never should extravagence be more important than correctness/suppleness etc (all the basic principles).
But if you have two horses and both are very well trained and very correct but one is boring and one is exciting then of course the exciting will win.
i am definately talking about warmbloods having that bit more after the correct way of going and so they will gain more marks.
my argument assumes correctness and i'm basicly saying the warmbloods will do better because they will perform everything correctly AND extravagently rather than just correctly.
Never should extravagence be more important than correctness/suppleness etc (all the basic principles).
But if you have two horses and both are very well trained and very correct but one is boring and one is exciting then of course the exciting will win.
i am definately talking about warmbloods having that bit more after the correct way of going and so they will gain more marks.
Peaches
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Remember that the breeds/bloodlines regarded as 'dressage' horses have come to be regarded as that because over the years they have proved themselves to be the best at dressage -
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I think you need to add 'competitive' to your sentence - the SRS do not feel the need to change all their Lippis to WBs - hmmm I wonder why that could be?
Remember that the breeds/bloodlines regarded as 'dressage' horses have come to be regarded as that because over the years they have proved themselves to be the best at dressage -
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I think you need to add 'competitive' to your sentence - the SRS do not feel the need to change all their Lippis to WBs - hmmm I wonder why that could be?
SirenaXVI
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There are other breeds more than capable of competing at that level-with correctness and expression if the judges acknowledge them!
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Absolutely, well said LF
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s it quite good enough to compete with the warmbloods, i totally agree that other horses can be good at dressage but we are talking top level and i doubt if they are that good.
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Do you mean good like Salinero or Painted Black? Interestingly flashiness seems to be winning out over correctness there - their extended trots are both great in front and trailing away behind - sorry but that is not dressage - that is circus
There are other breeds more than capable of competing at that level-with correctness and expression if the judges acknowledge them!
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Absolutely, well said LF
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s it quite good enough to compete with the warmbloods, i totally agree that other horses can be good at dressage but we are talking top level and i doubt if they are that good.
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Do you mean good like Salinero or Painted Black? Interestingly flashiness seems to be winning out over correctness there - their extended trots are both great in front and trailing away behind - sorry but that is not dressage - that is circus
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s it quite good enough to compete with the warmbloods, i totally agree that other horses can be good at dressage but we are talking top level and i doubt if they are that good.
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Do you mean good like Salinero or Painted Black? Interestingly flashiness seems to be winning out over correctness there - their extended trots are both great in front and trailing away behind - sorry but that is not dressage - that is circus
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ok so which non warmblood do yo suppose can give salinero a run for his money????????? or Painted Black
I'm not sure actually how to respond to this as i cannot believe that you have said these two horses are not doing dressage (obviously i know you don't mean it litteraly - i hope!?) but come on you are arguing that other breeds can beat warmbloods and using salinero as your example???
btw, have you seen Painted Black canter pirouette? that horse has a good hind leg.
i have noticed that throughout this post those with a non warmblood have argued that they can do better than the warmbloods, and those without a lot of money to spend have argued that spending a lot of money is ridiculous and cheap horses can do well.
i'm not sure who your trying to convince??
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s it quite good enough to compete with the warmbloods, i totally agree that other horses can be good at dressage but we are talking top level and i doubt if they are that good.
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Do you mean good like Salinero or Painted Black? Interestingly flashiness seems to be winning out over correctness there - their extended trots are both great in front and trailing away behind - sorry but that is not dressage - that is circus
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ok so which non warmblood do yo suppose can give salinero a run for his money????????? or Painted Black
I'm not sure actually how to respond to this as i cannot believe that you have said these two horses are not doing dressage (obviously i know you don't mean it litteraly - i hope!?) but come on you are arguing that other breeds can beat warmbloods and using salinero as your example???
btw, have you seen Painted Black canter pirouette? that horse has a good hind leg.
i have noticed that throughout this post those with a non warmblood have argued that they can do better than the warmbloods, and those without a lot of money to spend have argued that spending a lot of money is ridiculous and cheap horses can do well.
i'm not sure who your trying to convince??
H's mum
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What about the beautiful spanish horses? Surely they can give them a run for their money? The last olympics (forgotten names) but the spanish guy raised the roof with his beautiful grey stallion! Certainly very correct - very entertaining and wonderful to watch
Kate x
PS - How do you know who has money and who doesn't
Kate x
PS - How do you know who has money and who doesn't
lordflynn
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thankyou H' Mum (dont forget the lusos though
). Trouble is, Iberians do move and are built somewhat differently and many judges seem incapable of judging them on their own merits but mark them down when comparing them against WBs.
I am under no illusions that good horses are much more likely to cost large amount of money, I agree with that argument. I have problems with the idea that only WBs can move correctly with expression, when you only to have to watch some of the WEG tests to know that the 'correctly' part of that statement isnt true.
I am under no illusions that good horses are much more likely to cost large amount of money, I agree with that argument. I have problems with the idea that only WBs can move correctly with expression, when you only to have to watch some of the WEG tests to know that the 'correctly' part of that statement isnt true.
SirenaXVI
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I'm not sure actually how to respond to this as i cannot believe that you have said these two horses are not doing dressage (obviously i know you don't mean it litteraly - i hope!?) but come on you are arguing that other breeds can beat warmbloods and using salinero as your example???
btw, have you seen Painted Black canter pirouette? that horse has a good hind leg.
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Actually it was not me who first came up with this comparison, it was Chris Bartle in H&H, there were a couple of interesting photos of Anky and the guy she is training, both in extended trot, both very flashy in front and both trailing hind legs. in comparison there was a photo of Richard Davison on Balysire Royale doing a perfect extended trot, equal in front and behind. A good canter pirouette is fine but what about the piaffe - tense and stilted, in fact a lot of the movements show extreme tenseness - two questions
Is dressage supposed to be about harmony and lightness?
How is it that in dressage today a horse that is tense and not through can win?
Of course I am not suggesting that A is not doing dressage, that would be rediculous! I am just saying that because of this need for flashiness and the fact that the judges are allowing these horses to win over horses that are going correctly it is in danger of becoming circus.
You may be of the opinion (and you are entitled to it) that only warmbloods can do dressage and I am sure you are not alone, (although, as peaches pointed out the Spanish Riding School evidently don't think so) and it is true that at the top most (but not ALL) of the horses used in competition are warmbloods but this is mainly due to the mindset of the people riding at the top.
I'm not sure actually how to respond to this as i cannot believe that you have said these two horses are not doing dressage (obviously i know you don't mean it litteraly - i hope!?) but come on you are arguing that other breeds can beat warmbloods and using salinero as your example???
btw, have you seen Painted Black canter pirouette? that horse has a good hind leg.
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Actually it was not me who first came up with this comparison, it was Chris Bartle in H&H, there were a couple of interesting photos of Anky and the guy she is training, both in extended trot, both very flashy in front and both trailing hind legs. in comparison there was a photo of Richard Davison on Balysire Royale doing a perfect extended trot, equal in front and behind. A good canter pirouette is fine but what about the piaffe - tense and stilted, in fact a lot of the movements show extreme tenseness - two questions
Is dressage supposed to be about harmony and lightness?
How is it that in dressage today a horse that is tense and not through can win?
Of course I am not suggesting that A is not doing dressage, that would be rediculous! I am just saying that because of this need for flashiness and the fact that the judges are allowing these horses to win over horses that are going correctly it is in danger of becoming circus.
You may be of the opinion (and you are entitled to it) that only warmbloods can do dressage and I am sure you are not alone, (although, as peaches pointed out the Spanish Riding School evidently don't think so) and it is true that at the top most (but not ALL) of the horses used in competition are warmbloods but this is mainly due to the mindset of the people riding at the top.