Moobli
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I’d no more want a vet telling me I must neuter my dogs as one telling me they refuse to do so. As a responsible owner it should be a personal choice.
A rant: Vet won't spay
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CanteringCarrot
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Yes, but mine just wears washable "underpants" in the house and she's fine with it. I also obsessively clean my floors anyway, so nothing changes there ??
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Yes, but mine just wears washable "underpants" in the house and she's fine with it. I also obsessively clean my floors anyway, so nothing changes there ??
I have seen real vitreol directed at people who put nappies on their dogs, I've never understood why they get that reaction.
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Moobli
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Lots of reasons -
you can’t work a bitch on heat with entire males,
you may have males/females sharing a house (as I do) so you need to make arrangements so there isn’t an unwanted mating,
it must be tricky to find areas to exercise a bitch in season where you don’t run into uncontrolled male dogs in some places,
maybe if you rent a property the landlord wouldn’t appreciate blood spots which can be difficult to thoroughly clean,
you might have to miss training sessions, competition, holidays etc
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The list goes on …
Moobli
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Yes, but mine just wears washable "underpants" in the house and she's fine with it. I also obsessively clean my floors anyway, so nothing changes there ??
I’ve heard numerous times that pants can cause infection as the bitch is unable to clean herself.
scats
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My friend is struggling to get our local vet to agree to neuter her male dog. They are really trying to talk her out of it.
Roasted Chestnuts
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Find a vet that will. We have spayed all our bitches. Castrated all our dogs bar one as he was a show animal.
I gelded Faran as soon as they dropped. I didn’t want a colt, didn’t want the hassle of a colt. Too many colts in the world IMO, too much back yard breeding and dogs getting stolen to breed in puppy farms.
You are paying for the surgery, the animal belongs to you, there shouldn’t be any qualms about it.
I gelded Faran as soon as they dropped. I didn’t want a colt, didn’t want the hassle of a colt. Too many colts in the world IMO, too much back yard breeding and dogs getting stolen to breed in puppy farms.
You are paying for the surgery, the animal belongs to you, there shouldn’t be any qualms about it.
skinnydipper
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I've posted this before but in case anyone missed it:
"Numerous studies show that traditional spay/neuter surgeries can increase the risk of orthopedic problems, cancer, behavior issues and other conditions."
Spay-neuter considerations to maximize health
Chris Zink, DVM, PhD, DACVP, DACVSMR, CCRT, CVSMT, CVA
February 6, 2017
https://ivcjournal.com/spay-neuter-considerations/
"Numerous studies show that traditional spay/neuter surgeries can increase the risk of orthopedic problems, cancer, behavior issues and other conditions."
Spay-neuter considerations to maximize health
Chris Zink, DVM, PhD, DACVP, DACVSMR, CCRT, CVSMT, CVA
February 6, 2017
https://ivcjournal.com/spay-neuter-considerations/
CanteringCarrot
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Possibly. We've had no problems and she's had 4 heats now. She only really wears them to be on the couch on a blanket with us in the evening. So maybe 2 hours. Otherwise I just clean up the floors and wash her bedding.
There's usually not much in the pants. I could see if she wore them for hours on end/the whole day (also don't leave them on her in the house when we're gone), but that's not the case here. I think she gets enough time out of them to clean herself and whatnot.
I really haven't heard much about infections, but I don't know anyone that uses them a lot. Mostly like us, or not at all.
SAujla
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Does the dog have some anxieties or behavioural issues the vet thinks will be made worse after neutering?
CanteringCarrot
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Why are people all for gelding but not neutering a dog? I've never had a male before, so I've not had to research it. I knew tons of neutered males (dogs, but humans ?) in the US since it was the norm where I lived and I can't recall anyone talking about issues or development problems, but it was awhile ago.
windand rain
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no link to cancer in horses in fact it is the other way round retained testicles in horses cause trouble. I do neuter cats as a convenience again as a species cats are impossible to have in the house unneutered and are roaming animals so to curtail smell and behaviours I neuter cats. Dogs have had the research done and gives compelling evidence not to spay neuter big dogs especially labs, retrievers and rotweillers
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
My bitch lives in the house and just spit-spots, you'd barely notice. It's when it runs clear that the lads start the crooning...
CanteringCarrot
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Interesting, I've not seen this research...nor have I looked for it. Mostly because it hasn't applied to my situation.
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
An in season bitch is fairly easy to identify.
windand rain
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Why have you not done the research before deciding to neuter that is one thing that puzzles me that folk will willingly mutilate their precious dog without finding out the possible consequences. That aside until the why nots are carefully explained then there will always be a push to neuter pups in some case. As has been said before the older the bitch the fewer long bone problems heart problems and other cancer risks are but then you can get severe behavioural problems and from experience it has been the case with every one of mine which is why I am no longer likely to spay/neuter a dog unless absolutely necessary 5 neutered bitches 5 with severe side effects not a place for me to go I am afraid unless a medical necessity
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CanteringCarrot
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I've done the research for my female. I've not researched neutering males because I don't (nor have I ever) had one. But I agree that owners should do their research.
Nasicus
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Mine leaked like a sieve and left blood everywhere, had to put pants on her at night to at least keep the bed clean. And we had several weeks attempted hanky panky between her and the neutered mutt whenever they got near each other
Birker2020
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I've seen the same directed at people who think its acceptable for a paralysed dog to have a wheely wheelchair thing (whatever they are called) yet I see them as perfectly acceptable. I've never understood why people can't. Does the dog in that photo look utterly miserable? Nope. Not to my eyes. How can you say this dog is unhappy in the video. If he had a choice what would he prefer? If you owned him what would you prefer?.
Everyone has an opinion and everyone takes a different opinion, but ultimately I guess no one is right or wrong.
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AmyMay
Situation normal
I’ve been guilty of that, and do still struggle with the ethics of it. However, knowing a dog locally who really does love life on his wheels has made me think more positively about it.
Birker2020
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Good x
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
No dog of mine will ever be on wheels or have prosthetics and that's entirely my business why. Other people can do what they like, I don't have to approve, but then that's none of their business what I think either.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
Yes, of course she is! But it is not so easy to spot a spayed bitch when you are looking for a bitch to steal for breeding. Most unspayed bitches are only noticeably in season for a maximum of 6 weeks and many are not exercised away from the home or are kept in a secure field or on a lead during that time.
ETA, I have owned enough bitches to be able to tell when one is in season
Birker2020
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It wasn't a direct attack.....
The Xmas Furry
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I don't have an issue, my current speyed bitch is from rescue, their policy is to neuter each and every one before they go to new homes.
Karran
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My vets were very insistent I spayed both my dogs ASAP. I understand why, there's a lot of backyard breeding in my area and a lot of idiot owners.
I like mine to have a season and then I spay and its for my convenience mostly as well as to reduce the risk of pyo, I compete them, I don't want them missing out on part of the year because they're in season. It was a pain in the ass walking them separately.
But I believe its good for them mentally and physically to have a season. Mrs Spaniel was 15/16 months old when she was spayed and Mrs Collie wanted to spite me and waited until lockdowns were over and I had started her in training classes before she had her first season at 2 years and 3 months and was spayed at first opportunity after that.
I like mine to have a season and then I spay and its for my convenience mostly as well as to reduce the risk of pyo, I compete them, I don't want them missing out on part of the year because they're in season. It was a pain in the ass walking them separately.
But I believe its good for them mentally and physically to have a season. Mrs Spaniel was 15/16 months old when she was spayed and Mrs Collie wanted to spite me and waited until lockdowns were over and I had started her in training classes before she had her first season at 2 years and 3 months and was spayed at first opportunity after that.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
You did ask several questions, though, which I was vaguely answering.
Clodagh
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I'd rather they were shot or dumped than put in a shed for end to end litters until they prolapse...and then get shot or dumped.
windand rain
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Shot or dumped would be better I agree but set on for fighting certainly not
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
It's no good showing a few seconds of the dog, or even many minutes of a dog, out for a walk and asking if the dog is happy, B.
At home, it can't sit or lay down in that rig and it has to be taken out of it. What does it do then, drag itself about with its front legs? (ETA yes, its on the video, it's awful, imo
) If it's paralysed is it likely to be continent? How does it ever pee or crap with any dignity? Sorry, but I don't think anyone could ever persuade me to put a dog into wheels.
My first reaction about implants was similar, but some time ago I saw a dog waiting for its owner outside a shop. When the owner came back the dog was jumping up and down on two prosthetic implant hind legs with no issues at all. If that is achieved without large amounts of daily pain relief then I am fairly accepting of it in a younger dog.
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