Acolyte
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Why on earth dont they have the poor cavalier put down if it is suffering that much
Aaaarrrgghhhh - Pedigree dogs programme....
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sade1986
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I thought exactly the same thing but thought it may have just been me. If an animal is suffering why let it go on like that.
welshchick
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Yeah, I agree. Poor dog
spaniel
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I watched 30 seconds of that and was in tears. Ive had to turn off I found it so distressing.
Acolyte
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Same goes for the boxer who is fitting.............god it makes me SO cross
sade1986
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A friend of mine went to the discover dogs event and overheard someone speaking about how cute certain breeds of dogs were. She said she just wanted to go up and say about all the health problems they have because we had looked at the KC standards and breeding at college. I don't think i would ever buy a pedigree dog, especially not one that was KC registered.
Acolyte
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There are loads of reputable breeders who produce dogs who are free from genetic health problems...... god knows what the Kennel Club thinks it is doing mind you
Acolyte
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LOL at the RSPCA vet slagging off comparing a dog to a prescribed standard, not taking into account temperament etc...
I take it the RSPCA dont support dressage either then
I take it the RSPCA dont support dressage either then
jacks_mum
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Well they certainly aren't being shown in a good light here
jacks_mum
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That ridgeback breeder should be a bit more discerning about who she sells to then!
kirstyhen
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I don't think i would ever buy a pedigree dog, especially not one that was KC registered.
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But crossbreeds come from the pedigree dogs, and can have just the same problems.
I can guarantee that the breeder of our IWS put a hell of a lot more time and effort into breeding her dogs than someone who accidently allows their mutt to get knocked up in the park, or some idiot who thinks lets make a "new" dog out of two breeds, give it some adorable name and charge a grand a puppy.
At least with a pedigree you know what your getting, possible problems and all.
I don't think i would ever buy a pedigree dog, especially not one that was KC registered.
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But crossbreeds come from the pedigree dogs, and can have just the same problems.
I can guarantee that the breeder of our IWS put a hell of a lot more time and effort into breeding her dogs than someone who accidently allows their mutt to get knocked up in the park, or some idiot who thinks lets make a "new" dog out of two breeds, give it some adorable name and charge a grand a puppy.
At least with a pedigree you know what your getting, possible problems and all.
sade1986
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Ok the breeder woman talking about breeding the rhodesian ridgebacks (sp) and culling those without the ridge in the back has made me really angry.
hellsdarkrose
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The chief vet was annoying me so I had to turn the programme off.
I agree that the Cavvie they showed should have been put down and that not all pedigree dogs are that bad.
I agree that the Cavvie they showed should have been put down and that not all pedigree dogs are that bad.
Acolyte
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Yeah exactly
kanter
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My last dog looked a lot like one of those wolves! Lived to 16 with no vet problems till his back end went. There's a lot to be said for hybrid vigour. Mind you he had a wolf's temperament too and I'd been planning his replacement since he was 8!
Acolyte
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Aarrrggh - white boxers are culled because they are DEAF
not because they are the wrong bloody colour
Sooty
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Ok the breeder woman talking about breeding the rhodesian ridgebacks (sp) and culling those without the ridge in the back has made me really angry.
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Evil evil old witch! I am absolutely livid. She was protecting her own income by killing puppies rather than selling them to pet homes without a pedigree. I am so angry. As if breeding deformed dogs to fit in with some manmade standard isn't bad enough!
Ok the breeder woman talking about breeding the rhodesian ridgebacks (sp) and culling those without the ridge in the back has made me really angry.
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Evil evil old witch! I am absolutely livid. She was protecting her own income by killing puppies rather than selling them to pet homes without a pedigree. I am so angry. As if breeding deformed dogs to fit in with some manmade standard isn't bad enough!
jacks_mum
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lets make a "new" dog out of two breeds, give it some adorable name and charge a grand a puppy.
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Hehe, you mean like my Yorkylier
Dandy is a CKCS cross Yorky but he wasn't that expensive and I made up the name after I got him for a bit of fun!
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lets make a "new" dog out of two breeds, give it some adorable name and charge a grand a puppy.
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Hehe, you mean like my Yorkylier
Sooty
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Aarrrggh - white boxers are culled because they are DEAF
not because they are the wrong bloody colour
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And the reason they are deaf if because of the breeding. It also applies to Dalmatians, and is an inherent fault of manmade designs of dogs.
Aarrrggh - white boxers are culled because they are DEAF
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And the reason they are deaf if because of the breeding. It also applies to Dalmatians, and is an inherent fault of manmade designs of dogs.
kanter
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Ok the breeder woman talking about breeding the rhodesian ridgebacks (sp) and culling those without the ridge in the back has made me really angry.
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Evil evil old witch! I am absolutely livid. She was protecting her own income by killing puppies rather than selling them to pet homes without a pedigree. I am so angry. As if breeding deformed dogs to fit in with some manmade standard isn't bad enough!
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Agree. That said I can see why reputable breeders might be upset by this program too. I don't know enough about dog breeding to know what the answer is. Sadly, it's probably a case of supply and demand....
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Ok the breeder woman talking about breeding the rhodesian ridgebacks (sp) and culling those without the ridge in the back has made me really angry.
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Evil evil old witch! I am absolutely livid. She was protecting her own income by killing puppies rather than selling them to pet homes without a pedigree. I am so angry. As if breeding deformed dogs to fit in with some manmade standard isn't bad enough!
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Agree. That said I can see why reputable breeders might be upset by this program too. I don't know enough about dog breeding to know what the answer is. Sadly, it's probably a case of supply and demand....
Acolyte
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Yes I know - my mother used to breed boxers
sade1986
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But crossbreeds come from the pedigree dogs, and can have just the same problems.
I can guarantee that the breeder of our IWS put a hell of a lot more time and effort into breeding her dogs than someone who accidently allows their mutt to get knocked up in the park, or some idiot who thinks lets make a "new" dog out of two breeds, give it some adorable name and charge a grand a puppy. At least with a pedigree you know what your getting, possible problems and all.
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I understand that all dogs can have problems but seem to find many of the breed standards a bit extreme. And in many cases the health problems are related to the dogs physical appearance. I think hybrid vigour is always a good thing, getting the best of both breeds in the case of crossbreed dogs. There will always be health problems that cannot be foreseen in any animal, but feel that 'mongrels' have fewer problems in my experience. I understand that reputable breeders carry out relevant health checks etc before breeding but feel that breeding to the standards causes a number of health issues (Just my opinion on the issue though).
But crossbreeds come from the pedigree dogs, and can have just the same problems.
I can guarantee that the breeder of our IWS put a hell of a lot more time and effort into breeding her dogs than someone who accidently allows their mutt to get knocked up in the park, or some idiot who thinks lets make a "new" dog out of two breeds, give it some adorable name and charge a grand a puppy. At least with a pedigree you know what your getting, possible problems and all.
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I understand that all dogs can have problems but seem to find many of the breed standards a bit extreme. And in many cases the health problems are related to the dogs physical appearance. I think hybrid vigour is always a good thing, getting the best of both breeds in the case of crossbreed dogs. There will always be health problems that cannot be foreseen in any animal, but feel that 'mongrels' have fewer problems in my experience. I understand that reputable breeders carry out relevant health checks etc before breeding but feel that breeding to the standards causes a number of health issues (Just my opinion on the issue though).
MooMoo
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Still doesnt make it right.
I hate these snotty idiots who only care about the outer asthetics of the dogs rather than the health of them. I am so angry right now. Watching the spaniel squealing on the floor made me cry.
And one of them was put down, the other had an operation but died a couple of days later.
I know there are good breeders too and i dont want to offend them at all.
I hate these snotty idiots who only care about the outer asthetics of the dogs rather than the health of them. I am so angry right now. Watching the spaniel squealing on the floor made me cry.
And one of them was put down, the other had an operation but died a couple of days later.
I know there are good breeders too and i dont want to offend them at all.
welshchick
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Aarrrggh - white boxers are culled because they are DEAF
not because they are the wrong bloody colour
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That's unbelievable! I have met a few deaf dogs and they're all wonderful.
Aarrrggh - white boxers are culled because they are DEAF
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That's unbelievable! I have met a few deaf dogs and they're all wonderful.
kirstyhen
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Hehe, you mean like my Yorkylier
Dandy is a CKCS cross Yorky but he wasn't that expensive and I made up the name after I got him for a bit of fun!
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I've got nothing against crossbreeds/mongrels it's the idiots that breed them willynilly (I love that word
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It's mainly Labradoodles that do my head in! And now they're not as "fashionable" and no longer selling for £700, they've started filling up rescue centres!
Hehe, you mean like my Yorkylier
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It's mainly Labradoodles that do my head in! And now they're not as "fashionable" and no longer selling for £700, they've started filling up rescue centres!
Acolyte
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Ok the breeder woman talking about breeding the rhodesian ridgebacks (sp) and culling those without the ridge in the back has made me really angry.
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Evil evil old witch! I am absolutely livid. She was protecting her own income by killing puppies rather than selling them to pet homes without a pedigree. I am so angry. As if breeding deformed dogs to fit in with some manmade standard isn't bad enough!
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Why on earth was she protecting her income by doing that? She is a dog breeder/shower - her aim is to replicate the breed standard as closely as she can - in her opinion Rhodesian Ridgebacks without ridges do not do that, so they need to be discarded. Protecting income has nothing to do with it.
I am not saying this is the correct approach, but it IS how dog showing/breeding people think
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Ok the breeder woman talking about breeding the rhodesian ridgebacks (sp) and culling those without the ridge in the back has made me really angry.
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Evil evil old witch! I am absolutely livid. She was protecting her own income by killing puppies rather than selling them to pet homes without a pedigree. I am so angry. As if breeding deformed dogs to fit in with some manmade standard isn't bad enough!
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Why on earth was she protecting her income by doing that? She is a dog breeder/shower - her aim is to replicate the breed standard as closely as she can - in her opinion Rhodesian Ridgebacks without ridges do not do that, so they need to be discarded. Protecting income has nothing to do with it.
I am not saying this is the correct approach, but it IS how dog showing/breeding people think
muffinino
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I thought the same about the spaniels and the boxer - for the sake the animals, maybe the RSPCA vet should have a word with their owners about putting them to prevent suffering!
I remember the GSD from Crufts and thought how awful they looked, I honestly thought there was something wrong with them. Please tell me that's not what all GSD show dogs look like.
And I said in Amy May's thread that I was shocked by allowing mother/son, brother/sister, grandparent/grandchild breeding and I still am. That the Kennel Club allows it really is shocking. I am not a breeder but surely that can't be right?!
I remember the GSD from Crufts and thought how awful they looked, I honestly thought there was something wrong with them. Please tell me that's not what all GSD show dogs look like.
And I said in Amy May's thread that I was shocked by allowing mother/son, brother/sister, grandparent/grandchild breeding and I still am. That the Kennel Club allows it really is shocking. I am not a breeder but surely that can't be right?!
Sooty
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I bet they were docked, too.
My vet had a deaf white boxer which he had refused to pts as a puppy; he had it for 12 years. We are obviously not going to agree about this, but I have long said how concerned I am about the KC breed standards and the strict limitations they put on some breeds.
MooMoo
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One of them had an operation but died, the other was put to sleep. The boxer had medication.
Sooty
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She was protecting her business and reputation as a breeder by choosing to kill healthy puppies rather than giving them away to pet homes. The KC says they must have a ridge, so she says they must die if they don't have one. I think that is shocking, and indefensible.