Accidental killing of foxes

[Scratchline]

We have two whippets which need a proper run off the lead. It would be cruel to keep them on a lead and thus never let them out of a walk (or slow trot if the walker jogged).

Cruel? Why?

 

[Hebegebe]

The RSPCA defines five freedoms that anyone looking after animals should try and ensure they have.

1 Freedom from hunger and thirst –
by providing enough fresh water and the right type and
amount of food to keep them fit.
2 Freedom from discomfort –
by making sure that animals have the right type of
environment including shelter and somewhere
comfortable to rest.
3 Freedom from pain, injury and disease –
by preventing them from getting ill or injured and by
making sure animals are diagnosed and treated
rapidly if they do.
4 Freedom to behave normally –
by making sure animals have enough space, proper
facilities and the company of other animals of their
own kind.
5 Freedom from fear and distress –
by making sure their conditions and treatment
avoid mental suffering.


Surely having a good run around in the open air is natural behavior for a dog?

 

[Scratchline]

[quoteWell try telling my jack russells they are not allowed to kill the cute little furry rats that they find in our barn.(If they could speak they would salute POWA with two fingers.)They have been bred for just that purpose for centuries as have all breeds of dog over time it is their natural instinct.[/quote]

Good post????????? Tell my staffies they are not allowed to rip your little Jack Russels to bits if they find them in the street. They have been bred for that purpose for centuries, it is their natural instinct now!

See the flaw in your arguement now?! )

 

[Scratchline]

*** You are ignoring this user ***

Hahahaha! :grin:

Oh sweet little princess. You act all grown up ignoring me then like a two year old posting to me that you are. ROFLMAO at you x x

If you have nothing to add to the thread go and shovel some S**T )

 

[Hebegebe]

No flaw.

Jack Russels aren't rats.

We poison rats by their millions. We don't do the same to Jack Jussels.

Killing a rat with a Jack Russel causes it massively less pain and distress than killing it with poison.

In a similar vein we shoot deer to control them.

Chasing them off with dogs causes them considerably less pain and damage than being shot.

 

[Scratchline]

The RSPCA defines five freedoms that anyone looking after animals should try and ensure they have.

4 Freedom to behave normally –
by making sure animals have enough space, proper
facilities and the company of other animals of their
own kind.


Surely having a good run around in the open air is natural behavior for a dog?

I am not going to argue with you. Of course they should be allowed to run, safely for all other users of said space.
The huge flaw in the five freedom nonsense from those idiots at the RSPCA ( suprised you quote them?), is of course number 4.

Natural behaviour?? Guard breeds like to bite people and fighting breeds like to fight eachother. All of a sudden, "natural behaviour", sounds a bit dodgy to insist on being encouraged by 'law'.

 

[Hebegebe]

well i don;t quite agree with you. Guard dogs shouldn't be allowed to bite people but they should be allowed to bite.

Hunting is about as natural behavior as you can get for dogs so it should be allowed withing a defined context.

My dogs love rooting around in the undergrowth hunting rats and mice etc. I'd have thought most people's do.

Hunting and being hunted is as natural as it gets.

 

[Scratchline]

No flaw.

There is if you hate those bloody, little, snappy Jack Russels bud. Send in the killer hounds I say. Rip em to shreds whilst their owners are forced to watch! Twenty of them in a pit with one staffordshire bull terrier. Start the clock, minute only!

P.s. We have five lovely little pet rats ;O) Even went into Mole Valley Farmers Nr Newquay, Cornwall to ask if they supplied rat food. No came the answer, only poisen!!! lol lol

 

[Hebegebe]

Natural behaviour?? Guard breeds like to bite people and fighting breeds like to fight eachother.

I let my dogs fight. they don't any more because they have established a pecking order but I didn't step in when they did.

When a young dog is growing up and wants to take control it is inevitable that he will have a period of confrontation with the current leader.

 

[Scratchline]

well i don;t quite agree with you. Guard dogs shouldn't be allowed to bite people but they should be allowed to bite.

Hunting is about as natural behavior as you can get for dogs so it should be allowed withing a defined context.

My dogs love rooting around in the undergrowth hunting rats and mice etc. I'd have thought most people's do.

Hunting and being hunted is as natural as it gets.

Oh no! Just posted. Dont now tell me you have any Jack Russels?! lol lol ))

 

[Hebegebe]

Ah well if I set my dogs on your rats you'd have cause for complaint but not if I set them on the rats in my barn

Mind you i am sure you'd prefer a quick death for them from the jaws of a dog rather than squirming in agony for hours or days filled with Mole valley's chemicals?

 

[Hebegebe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat-baiting

1 rat per 2.2 seconds - exemplary animal welfare standards as I am sure you would agree!

 

[Scratchline]

[quoteI let my dogs fight. they don't any more because they have established a pecking order but I didn't step in when they did.

When a young dog is growing up and wants to take control it is inevitable that he will have a period of confrontation with the current leader. [/quote]

Yep, with you all the way. Never get involved if possible and that is with a GSD male who is eight, three year old female staff and two year old male staff. All intact still with GSD top dog. Yet never major aggro because I dont interfere. Its the only way IMO.

 

[Scratchline]

Ah well if I set my dogs on your rats you'd have cause for complaint but not if I set them on the rats in my barn

Mind you i am sure you'd prefer a quick death for them from the jaws of a dog rather than squirming in agony for hours or days filled with Mole valley's chemicals?

Absolutely ) You should see our living room though. Big cage with the rats always active in the evening. And three stupid dogs, sat by the cage (behaving), with their heads going backwards and forwards in unison watching the bloody rats. Its like a doggy TV that cage!

 

[Scratchline]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat-baiting

1 rat per 2.2 seconds - exemplary animal welfare standards as I am sure you would agree!

Lol lol Like a man with a hoe! Must fly, still decorating (
Take care bud, speak soon.

 

[peakpark]

We have two whippets which need a proper run off the lead. It would be cruel to keep them on a lead and thus never let them out of a walk (or slow trot if the walker jogged).

Cruel? Why?

Because they need to RUN and take proper exercise.
You can't know much about dogs if you don't realise this

Anyway, I thought John Major's government passed an act about dangerous dogs, though it doesn't seem to be enforced very well.

 

[Hebegebe]

It'd be cruel to the dog walker to have to run as far and as fast as the whippets, Especially if the old joints were getting creaky!

 

[Scratchline]

Because they need to RUN and take proper exercise.
You can't know much about dogs if you don't realise this

I used to work lurchers all the time so dont give me the "you dont know anything", nonsense please. ) The thread is about a proposal so yes, you could stick your whippets on a treadmill, indoors and run them into the ground if you wish.

Anyway, I thought John Major's government passed an act about dangerous dogs, though it doesn't seem to be enforced very well.

Yes they did. The most unworkable, cruel, stupid law any government has ever introduced. Dont get me started on that one! lol lol lol Kenneth Baker should have been shot!

 

[peakpark]

If you're an anti what were you doing working with lurchers?

If, however, you really did work with lurchers then you should know they need proper exercise.
But judging from one of your previous posts, you seemed to think it perfectly acceptable, indeed preferable, that they should be kept on a lead going no faster than a walk.
It sounds to me typical townie stuff - anti hunting but don't bother about exercising dogs properly.
Also, I'm surprised you condone keeping caged animals.

 

[Bunce]

It is absolutely ridiculous that hunts are allowed out into the countryside with packs of dogs. This simply cannot be done without causing unacceptable levels of disturbance to wild mammals irrespective of whether they are chased or killed.

 

[combat_claire]

Without the country sports that you blithely seek to ban, our countryside would be much the poorer - research by anthropologists based at the University of Kent's Durrell Institute have done much work on this topic:

In a paper published in Nature magazine in 2003 they wrote that private landowners involved in shooting or hunting were more likely to maintain existing woodland and hedgerows on their land and most likely to plant new woodlands and hedgerows.

http://www.kent.ac.uk/anthropology/dice/research/england_hunting.html

Hardly in agreement with your claim that we cause huge damage to the countryside and the ecosystems within it. No wonder nobody believes a single word that POWA say any more.

 

[Scratchline]

If you're an anti what were you doing working with lurchers?

What am I anti about. Have you actually had the courtesy to ask before making fecking assumptions?!

If, however, you really did work with lurchers then you should know they need proper exercise.
But judging from one of your previous posts, you seemed to think it perfectly acceptable, indeed preferable, that they should be kept on a lead going no faster than a walk.
It sounds to me typical townie stuff - anti hunting but don't bother about exercising dogs properly.

Typical townie???? More country than you and not prepared to make stupid assumptions just because YOU cannot see a way to excercise your little pooch within legal guidelines if needs be. I stopped working lurchers because I believe it far more cruel than shooting them which I now do.

Also, I'm surprised you condone keeping caged animals.

What a silly, childish little thing to say! LMAO at you )

 

[Hebegebe]

You think working lurchers is crueller than shooting them?

Shittingfuck you're nit suggesting shooting the dogs as well as the deer are you?

 

[Scratchline]

You think working lurchers is crueller than shooting them?

Shittingfuck you're nit suggesting shooting the dogs as well as the deer are you?

LOL LOL Only after my staffs have taught the lurchers a lesson for all the rabbits they have scared )

 

[peakpark]

Dear me, Scratchline, you really went off on one there!
You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

 

[combat_claire]

*picks the toys up and puts them back in the pram*

 

[Scratchline]

Dear me, Scratchline, you really went off on one there!
You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

Now that is funny. If you think that was me going off on one you obviously dont know me )
Presuming all who criticise certain forms of hunting are townies is a pretty pathetic way of discussing these subjects. Some of us may have been far more heavily involved in animal culling/sports whether legal or illegal than your good selves but have opened our eyes to what is/was really going on.

 

[Scratchline]

You wish )) Trust me, you will know if I ever get wound up but it will take far more than ignorance lol lol

 

[zigzagzig]

"Without the country sports that you blithely seek to ban, our countryside would be much the poorer - research by anthropologists based at the University of Kent's Durrell Institute have done much work on this topic:......."

At this point I dozed off.

 

[weebarney]

scratchline, did you not realise that if you think that ripping wild animals apart with dogs is cruel then that makes you a townie?