Accidental killing of foxes

[lastrebel]

well Hebegebe looking at your post I would question your intelligence.
I personally fully understand hunting fox control and the laws of natural balance.
I also understand cruelty, compassion and the fact that a small majority get off on killing or feeling power over other humans or animals, do you ?

 

[lastrebel]

My dog Rafferty was a rescue dog from the dogs trust.
He's a Rotty Irish wolfhound cross 6 years old and only just castrated.
I would get great pleasure from wathching him chase you, however something deep inside tells me this is wrong....... do you understand that.

 

[Hebegebe]

well Hebegebe looking at your post I would question your intelligence.
I personally fully understand hunting fox control and the laws of natural balance.
I also understand cruelty, compassion and the fact that a small majority get off on killing or feeling power over other humans or animals, do you ?

which post?

 

[marlyclay]

A fox can RUN!, surely not all foxes are caught? im very sure all dog fights are fought, as like I said, there is no escape route.

Again, with the greatest respect you obviously no nothing about dog fighting. What is a "Scratchline", and what is it for?

A scratchline is a line drawn diagonally across a fighting pit.
If a dog does not cross that line in 10 seconds ,then he loses and his opponent wins the match.
What the hell has all this got to do with the original post?

 

[CAYLA]

A fox can RUN!, surely not all foxes are caught? im very sure all dog fights are fought, as like I said, there is no escape route.

Again, with the greatest respect you obviously no nothing about dog fighting. What is a "Scratchline", and what is it for?

A scratchline is a line drawn diagonally across a fighting pit.
If a dog does not cross that line in 10 seconds ,then he loses and his opponent wins the match.
What the hell has all this got to do with the original post?

What she said
Yep, I did know what a scratchline was, my OH told me some time ago :smirk:

As much as u are obsessed with dog fighting, Im sure u are not naive enough to believe every dog is fought this way, I work within an industry that has been involved in investigating dog fighting, it is certainly nothing to be bigged up :crazy:

 

[Scratchline]

[/quote]A scratchline is a line drawn diagonally across a fighting pit.
If a dog does not cross that line in 10 seconds ,then he loses and his opponent wins the match.


What the hell has all this got to do with the original post?[/quote] About the same as 90% of this thread. But what you have written above shows you have now educated yourself and will not in future write rubbish like "im very sure all dog fights are fought, as like I said, there is no escape route". Scratching and the reason a scratch is called IS the escape route you obviously, previously didnt know about and now you do ))

 

[Scratchline]

What she said
Yep, I did know what a scratchline was, my OH told me some time ago :smirk:

As much as u are obsessed with dog fighting, Im sure u are not naive enough to believe every dog is fought this way, I work within an industry that has been involved in investigating dog fighting, it is certainly nothing to be bigged up :crazy:

I am guesiing this post was for me?

When discussing blood sports comparisons are suprisingly easy to make. I am very much not obsessed with dog fighting just very well read and informed on the subject. Understanding a subject and admiring the courage which I do, of the dogs involved ( NOT mans involvement!), is not a crime and I have clearly, NEVER "bigged up", the 'sport so Im resent your sugestion that I have! No matter )

As for being naive in my belief that it is now anything but a disgusting, cruel fight to the death, involving sick idiots who do not care one bit about their animals welfare please go back and read the third to last post of mine on page four of this thread which you obviously have missed before writing the above to me.

If you do indeed for an industry that has been involved in investigating dog fighting then you can be sure that myself and other owners of so called "fighting breeds", are right behind you all, support you all the way and agree there is no place in society for blood sports. None whatsoever.

Sadly if, IF that happens to be the RSPCA I would like to add that they will never be forgiven by many for whilst masquerading as a 'welfare', organisation they worked for the prosecution in identification cases brought under the Dangerous Dogs Act. The blood of completely innocent pets is on their hands even if they have now conveniently changed their ways and now speak out against the DDA.

Sorry, rant over. )

 

[CAYLA]

Hell no, I don't and never would work for the RSPCA :shocked: :smirk:

Ps, does anyone know why the bloody emoticons and quotes do not work in this forum? :crazy:

 

[FestiveSpirit]

Hell no, I don't and never would work for the RSPCA :shocked: :smirk:

Ps, does anyone know why the bloody emoticons and quotes do not work in this forum? :crazy:

Cala I am shocked at some of your responses here, how could you possibly suggest that taking your dogs for a walk and allowing them OFF the lead was a responsible act :shocked:

The emoticons dont work cos HHO have disabled them in this forum to stop people posting rude ones. Shame they dont do the same in Soapbox really isnt it :grin:

 

[weebarney]

i dont think anyone has suggested that all dogs should never be let off a lead.

 

[Hebegebe]

well i am off to the woods with my dogs off the lead to have somje fun with nature

 

[kirstyhen]

My Dog was just in the garden (off his lead!!!!) and he chased a bird.....

Which do I have to shoot? The bird or the dog??? :smirk:

 

[FestiveSpirit]

My Dog was just in the garden (off his lead!!!!) and he chased a bird.....

Which do I have to shoot? The bird or the dog??? :smirk:

Both. Immediately. Sorry Otto

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

 

[peakpark]

i dont think anyone has suggested that all dogs should never be let off a lead.

I think Scratchline said that he wouldn't argue against such a law and that it would have many advantages, so presumably he is suggesting that.

Unfortunately there are irresponsible dog owners around, and so what with that, and Labour's love of laws and restrictions, such a law is probably on the horizon.

 

[kirstyhen]

Both. Immediately. Sorry Otto

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

No problems, I was hoping it would be the dog... :smirk: :grin:

 

[CAYLA]

Hell no, I don't and never would work for the RSPCA :shocked: :smirk:

Ps, does anyone know why the bloody emoticons and quotes do not work in this forum? :crazy:

Cala I am shocked at some of your responses here, how could you possibly suggest that taking your dogs for a walk and allowing them OFF the lead was a responsible act :shocked:

The emoticons dont work cos HHO have disabled them in this forum to stop people posting rude ones. Shame they dont do the same in Soapbox really isnt it :grin:

Oops...guess that mean someone has to take them away then......all 11 of them :crazy: know anyone that would take my whippets for me :smirk: :grin:


Arghhhhhh........I hate this bloody no emoticon stuff....I cannot even smirk

 

[CAYLA]

Both. Immediately. Sorry Otto

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

No problems, I was hoping it would be the dog... :smirk: :grin:

Actually, I think, it's u who should be shot u ignaramous

That bird, may not return to it's nest and the chicks may die through sheer shock from the otto experience :shocked:

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

 

[spaniel]

QR.


Someone mentioned earlier that the foxes predators have been taken out of the equation.

Surely if bear and wolf chases/kills are acceptable it makes no difference if a dog does the same thing.....the fox knows know different.

I dont like to see things die but there is so much hypocricy surrounding hunting. Look at the award winning wildlife programmes we all sit glued to......cant take our eyes off some big cat bringing down a gazelle. Odd how once its a cute fluffytailed fox is suddenly different.

 

[kirstyhen]

That bird, may not return to it's nest and the chicks may die through sheer shock from the otto experience :shocked:

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

I think most things might die from the shock of the Otto experiance, it's certainly not for the faint hearted! :grin:

 

[weebarney]

QR.


Someone mentioned earlier that the foxes predators have been taken out of the equation.

Surely if bear and wolf chases/kills are acceptable it makes no difference if a dog does the same thing.....the fox knows know different.

I dont like to see things die but there is so much hypocricy surrounding hunting. Look at the award winning wildlife programmes we all sit glued to......cant take our eyes off some big cat bringing down a gazelle. Odd how once its a cute fluffytailed fox is suddenly different.

Oh please the cute n fluffy thing does wear incredibly thin. It really is a very narrow minded view to have of people who dont like hunting.

 

[weebarney]

I notice there have been some replys removed from here, hmmm they were quite funny as well

 

[Scratchline]

QR.


Someone mentioned earlier that the foxes predators have been taken out of the equation.

Surely if bear and wolf chases/kills are acceptable it makes no difference if a dog does the same thing.....the fox knows know different.

I dont like to see things die but there is so much hypocricy surrounding hunting. Look at the award winning wildlife programmes we all sit glued to......cant take our eyes off some big cat bringing down a gazelle. Odd how once its a cute fluffytailed fox is suddenly different.

You are right that someone mentioned the removal of the foxes "predators". Bears were mentioned but left these shores around 500AD. The Lynx was mentioned but its prey was of course hares and roe deer. Wolves were mentioned but as we know from America they do not hunt foxes. Coyotes may kill the odd one but not wolves.

Any of the above may have killed sick animals or eaten dead ones. But they never were a predator of foxes. So perhaps were only used in an imaginary way to 'help', in a discussion )

Nature programmes we watch, its nature. Man killing for his own sake is completely different. Your comparisson was ludicrous in the extreme!

 

[Hebegebe]

Any of the above may have killed sick animals or eaten dead ones. But they never were a predator of foxes. So perhaps were only used in an imaginary way to 'help', in a discussion )

Why has a study found that lynx are significant predators of foxes then?

Do you actually have any foundation for your statements?

 

[Hebegebe]

"Wolves mainly hunt deer, roe deer, and wild boar. They’ll also take smaller predators such as foxes and stray dogs. Wolves account for the worst damage to sheep herds."

http://www.shootingenterprise.com/main/publication/content/468.html

 

[Hebegebe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS4Y2FkG-g

 

[peakpark]

quote/ Nature programmes we watch, its nature. Man killing for his own sake is completely different. Your comparisson was ludicrous in the extreme! /quote.

It's nature....yes, out on walks, off the lead, my whippets will chase a rabbit if they see one. They are not 'put up' to it by me - in fact they are likely to be out of sight at the far end of the field and I play no part in the hunt. Is that not nature?

I thought your personal remarks, now removed by the moderator, extremely spiteful and unpleasant. I don't imagine the poster at whom your comments were directed will come back for more of that.
However, you obviously don't like oppostion and will use what means you can to get rid of it.
Can we see a photo of you, please.

 

[Scratchline]

Why has a study found that lynx are significant predators of foxes then?

Which study would that be please?

Do you actually have any foundation for your statements?

Yes, the internet. Loads of information avaliable )

 

[Scratchline]

It's nature....yes, out on walks, off the lead, my whippets will chase a rabbit if they see one. They are not 'put up' to it by me - in fact they are likely to be out of sight at the far end of the field and I play no part in the hunt. Is that not nature?

No that is of course not nature. That is you allowing your pets to run off in a field with no control whatsoever. You not knowing what they may be attacking whether that be a wild animal or farm stock.

I thought your personal remarks, now removed by the moderator, extremely spiteful and unpleasant. I don't imagine the poster at whom your comments were directed will come back for more of that.

Good. I see the moderator removed the comments that I found offensive from the ladt in question which added nothing to the debate other than to goad others into posting in a similar way.

However, you obviously don't like oppostion and will use what means you can to get rid of it.

Rubbish. I dont like people who post ONLY to attack others adding nothing to the discussion whatsoever.


Can we see a photo of you, please.

You can buy one by all means. For twenty quid I will even sign it. Paypal will be fine so just let me know?

 

[Hebegebe]

Have you everused Google?

Lynxes prey on hares, rabbits, rodents, wild boar, chamois, foxes, roe deer and reindeer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_lynx


Lynxes prey on hares, rodents, foxes, and even roe deer.
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/Fauna/EurasianLynx.html

Lynxes will also kill squirrels, foxes, badgers, fish, beetles, ...
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...amp;oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9

several observations have been made on the predation of lynx upon
foxes.
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cach...xes&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Sometimes the lynx will hunt deer, sheep, goats, and foxes
http://www.echeat.com/essay.php?t=32493

37 foxes also fell prey to the lynx in the study.
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cach...xes&cd=24&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

They catch hares, rabbits, rodents, weasels, foxes, and even small deer.
http://www.sch.im/wlp/pages/lynx 2.htm

Lynx (Lynx lynx) killing red foxes (Vulpes vulpes) in boreal Sweden – frequency and population effects
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118624016/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

 

[silverbreeze]

Fighting dogs/guard dogs are trained for a purpose and therefor it is a completely different situation.
That is like an argument that we should allow all "bomb school" trainees to reside in this country if we allow their fellow country men to...