Flyingbuck
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Just more evidence that flyingbuck is willing to post misleading information regarding subjects he has no idea about on public forums.
You're still apparently slandering?
Just more evidence that flyingbuck is willing to post misleading information regarding subjects he has no idea about on public forums.
I think there will be no problems with AES stallion that were graded before February 2013. I am sure there will be a compromise or some form of solution to find, which AES society is in charge.
A real problem and a terrible situation is presently made for the stallion owners that had their stallions graded from February 2013 onwards. The articles tell us of 2 gradings, I know that there was at least one more grading done in Germany on 16 March. The situation is not clear as one AES does accuse the other AES of not being in charge and that this or that grading is not valid. This is awful for the stallion owners that participated in these gradings. I feel with them and hope that everything will be solved asap.
No slander there unlike most of your contributions to this thread. I am simply reading through your comments as anyone else looking at this thread is able to do.
LOL! Not only is your website out of date, but you clearly stated that you have AES stallions which include the one who was 12th - when to be totally accurate, you now state you had this stallion until last summer - so clearly detail is seemingly not your strong point - good to know
In that case explain where I have misled?
LIBEL - to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others
Thanks to all for messages of support - much appreciated
And, lol, I too agree - the more the troops are rallied to make personal attacks on me in some sort of futile attempt at smokescreen, the more the current AES problems intrigue one!
Re the Scottish Sport Horse - I am unaware of any 'over the phone' gradings
Shall we get this thread back on track and stop the nitpicking each others threads?
AES as set up by Henk, has several top class stallions. Henk himself is a very straightforward and top class breeder himself, and has done a huge amount for british breeding.
January the KWPN announced that it would accept AES registered stallions, because of the position they now hold in WBF rankings.
Febuary the mess kicks off. Is it only me that sees any link there? (Although I have also been told by someone very knowledgable of the politics that it may be a stratigic move to gain more votes and foal registrations by the KWPN)
Fact AES has some world class stallions on its listings.
Fact AES is looked down on by many of the european breeders as they do not carry out mare gradings or foal inspections. Also the theory that they are easier to grade stallions with.
Fact the results are showing that the AES is climbing the rankings, so something must be right, even as far as accepting stallions on competition results.
So instead of this turning into a backbiting thread, can we please stick to the facts? Does anybody have any new factual information as to what is going on? Otherwise yes, some people are going to register elsewhere, and avoid using some top class AES stallions, and again kick a hole in UK breeding. Surely in this climate we should all be supporting one another with our different aims (cause few breeders are in direct compatition with each other) and sharing knowledge to improve each others breeding, instead of trying to tear others apart.
Well said!
With respect to owning the name 'Anglo European Studbook' ... I have no idea but the company name 'Anglo European Studbook ltd' is in Dutch hands. Again I stress 'ltd' !!
The three major stock owners of 'Anglo European Studbook ltd' are THE three MAJOR KWPN stallion owners in the Netherlands. Believe me they have a vested interest in keeping the A.E.S. (which ever) alive in the Netherlands.
I would be happy to hear from anyone who has verifiable information on the AES studbook just as soon as it becomes available - here's hoping it won't be too long before we all know what is happening with the AES studbook - in the meantime, I will await a written reply to my emails from them.
Alec Swan - just the quote above which I have stated a few times throughout the thread. The thread has gone off topic a few times, but now back on track again - hope that helps.
Thats the thing flyingbuck, why would anyone here know on a public forum?? whilst a court case is going on, parties are not suppose to divulge information, so all you will get here is small minded individuals trying to cause a bit of trouble? This has been going on a while but as some said, only now kwpn are excepting aes stallions so the claws have come on other parties, im happy to wait, as im sure you are, having never using aes stallion it shouldnt matter to you?!!
Give it a rest Ros!
No one is going to take anything verbatim over the phone - there would be no accurate record of who said what.
I have already intimated that I have sent emails, proper written requests - when I have received written replies, I will share.
The OP was right to start this thread but lets try and help by keeping to the facts and not indulging in hearsay and character assassination.
Of course, only a fool would value the sort of information emanating from Janet George's source, but hey ho...
Meanwhile, I have to say that apart from the very insightful posts by Colourfan, and the good sense talked on here by such as Alec and Nomis, the thing that stands out for me is the sheer spitefulness of, basically, a person who signally failed to do for the studbook he chaired and the breeders he represented, what Henk Minderman achieved for his.
I'm afraid success excites the interest of the greedy and the self-interested and I think this may be what we are seeing here; basically an attempted takeover of a British stud book and a sign, therefore, of its value and perceived success. But the NAME is not the STUDBOOK and even if the name has been legitimately acquired by the Dutch breeders it does not mean that the data it once represented has also been acquired. I would also expect that it is the data, rather than the name, which would interest DEFRA. My guess - and it is only a guess - I wouldn't go so far as to call it "information" - is that the studbook will continue with Henk at the helm in this country.