AHAR (Animal Rescue Animal Hell) PETITION

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

Chocolate moonbeam said:
What good would releasing her tendon have done with hoofs in that shape?

releasing her tendons would not have done any good at any stage or in any situation. that horse was far beyond remedial surgery and it was the wrong call to operate.

i feel like im living in an alternate universe as it's just so blatantly odd, but what good would it have been 'releasing her tendons' in the pic above that Tiddlypom posted, where she is hobbling in a field? because thats how she was kept, not in the pic you show

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

Chocolate moonbeam said:
Yes of course you heard that since it was written on a page you frequent.

so fill us in with the real story, from the page YOU frequent. because that page should have been updating donators. and it didn't. and people who donated found the pony had been dumped hobbling in a field. that is the reality. so you update us, with what your page says about it.

ester · 21 February 2017

It doesn't take 18 months to alter hoof shape even if that were necessary though I still don't believe it was, but then I believe operating pointless anyway and have not found a single farriery or veterinary professional that thinks it was a good idea either.

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

ahar has turned into the horse version of scientology. it's like living in some alternate universe where facts and logic don't count.

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

paddi22 said:
releasing her tendons would not have done any good at any stage or in any situation. that horse was far beyond remedial surgery and it was the wrong call to operate.

i feel like im living in an alternate universe as it's just so blatantly odd, but what good would it have been 'releasing her tendons' in the pic above that Tiddlypom posted, where she is hobbling in a field? because thats how she was kept, not in the pic you show

The picture i put up was taken when she first entered Ahar, that is what her feet were like when she was first rescued. Are you suggesting they just left her like that and didn't at least give her a chance if her problem could be resolved to the point she could live on even as a companion pony.

Well shame on you if you just give up on animals at the first sign of a problem.

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

ester said:
It doesn't take 18 months to alter hoof shape even if that were necessary though I still don't believe it was, but then I believe operating pointless anyway and have not found a single farriery or veterinary professional that thinks it was a good idea either.

There are plenty of resources on the net describing the operation which can be performed.

ester · 21 February 2017

I don't think anyone suggested you leave a pony like that, that doesn't automatically mean that operating was appropriate either.

ester · 21 February 2017

Chocolate moonbeam said:
There are plenty of resources on the net describing the operation which can be performed.

Sorry why would I need them? I know full well what sort of ops we are talking about.

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

she was never going to have a decent quality of life.

And for the record, you can get off your high horse again saying i give up at the first sign of a problem. We get rescues in here and do a lot of work on them. since you probably assume im lying, i can direct you to a previous post where i got literally a 26 year old skeleton pony in who hadn't been able to move her mouth for about 10/15 years and had lost the muscles to do so. I spend a fortune on dental work, vets, physio and massaged her jaw about 20 times a day for nearly a month to aid her learning to move it again. on top of specialised food that had to be fed in a slop every few hours. then i did physio as her neck and back was locked due to the dental pain. here's the proof of when i was getting suggestions after she recovered. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...t-to-do-with-old-rescue-pony-tack-suggestions

so you can sit down with your accusations of giving up on ponies. but i can tell you 100% that some aren't savable and you do more harm that good. i don't know how you can look at the picture tiddelpom posted and not feel sick and guilty. that horse should never have been made to suffer so much.

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

ester said:
I don't think anyone suggested you leave a pony like that, that doesn't automatically mean that operating was appropriate either.

Take that up with the vet who obviously decided it was appropriate.

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

and who obviously made the wrong call since the pony died.

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

paddi22 said:
she was never going to have a decent quality of life.

You have absolutely no way of knowing whether she would or wouldn't.

You have your opinion and you are entitled to it, but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it.

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

i think you could show tiddelpom's picure to 100 horse loves and 100 would say thats not a good quality of life. do YOU consider that a good quality of life?

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

i'd post the video again of the poor horse trying to move but i just feel sick watching it. if you think thats a good quality of life then you seriously need to reconsider your horsecare levels

ester · 21 February 2017

Chocolate moonbeam said:
You have absolutely no way of knowing whether she would or wouldn't.

You have your opinion and you are entitled to it, but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it.

Neither will you or anyone else given that she is dead anyway as a result of the decisions made for her by AHAR....

What a shame she had to suffer for so much longer than necessary before that decision was made, even if hoof changes were needed pre surgery as you say... which is not backed up by the pictures of her down that treatment timeline.

respectedpony driver · 21 February 2017

Here we go again.Defra have been to inspect this place and found nothing to be concerned about.This charity does a lot of rescues in a country that doesn't seem to enforce animal welfare laws.If you are so concerned why don't you go and help them instead of trying to shut them down.

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

paddi22 said:
i think you could show tiddelpom's picure to 100 horse loves and 100 would say thats not a good quality of life. do YOU consider that a good quality of life?

Tell me Paddi22, do you think that children who have had surgery to correct a club foot can't have a good quality of life afterwards?

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

ester said:
Neither will you or anyone else given that she is dead anyway as a result of the decisions made for her by AHAR....

Do you think Ahar forced the vet to perform the surgery or something?

ester · 21 February 2017

Well if you are going to start comparing the structure of human and horses you are even more bonkers than I thought!

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

i don't think those children would have been dumped in a field before hand without a doctor looking at them. unless ahar gets into rescuing children

different species, not comparable in any way

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

ester said:
Well if you are going to start comparing the structure of human and horses you are even more bonkers than I thought!

Who mentioned comparing the structures of the two species, i'm talking about deformities and whether it's worth trying to correct them or not.

ester · 21 February 2017

Oh yes, of course you were.
It is worth correcting them, as babies.

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

but you are comparing two completely different species. it's a bonkers logic. that horse should have been pts

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

ester said:
Oh yes, of course you were.
It is worth correcting them, as babies.

Take that up with whoever kept Hero in that condition prior to her being rescued by Ahar.

ester · 21 February 2017

I seem to be taking a lot of things up with a lot of people I don't know, do I have some special communication power that I don't know about.

You asked a question, I answered it factually, cos I am polite see, I am aware that is a concept that seems to go completely over your head.

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

eh tiddleypoms picture is from when ahar HAD her! after she went into their 'care'. The original owner should have pts that horse and was at fault. ahar should have pts that horse and they were at fault.

instead they took it in, raised a fortune for it, dumped it, and then it died after disappearing.

sordid and sad. poor horse

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

and we shouldn't have to be taking anything up with anyone. I have actually tried to contact ahar to get answers myself and have been deleted and ignored. and before you jump on at how i was trolling my exact messages were 'any update on hero please?' so hardly offensive. but was deleted anyway.

so we have no way of finding information - as its all kept hidden and secret. no transparency, no honesty,

Chocolate moonbeam · 21 February 2017

ester said:
I seem to be taking a lot of things up with a lot of people I don't know, do I have some special communication power that I don't know about.

You asked a question, I answered it factually, cos I am polite see, I am aware that is a concept that seems to go completely over your head.

Look, that is how the horse came into Ahar, she was 10 years old or thereabouts. Her condition on arrival at Ahar is not the fault of Ahar it is the fault of whoever had her previously and allowed her condition to get like that.

Ahar gave her a chance, unfortunately she died whilst undergoing an operation, that is one of the risks of surgery.

If you have an issue that her condition was not corrected at an earlier time then neither Ahar or myself are the people to berate here.

paddi22 · 21 February 2017

Chocolate moonbeam said:
Look, that is how the horse came into Ahar, she was 10 years old or thereabouts. Her condition on arrival at Ahar is not the fault of Ahar it is the fault of whoever had her previously and allowed her condition to get like that.

Ahar gave her a chance, unfortunately she died whilst undergoing an operation, that is one of the risks of surgery.

If you have an issue that her condition was not corrected at an earlier time then neither Ahar or myself are the people to berate here.

No ahar are not responsible for her condition before she arrived of course. but once she was there, she did not receive regular, correct farrier treatment, and then she was proven to be dumped in a field, absolutely crippled. That IS Ahars fault. and i have no issue berating them as they did not provide adequate farrier care for that horse

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