paddi22
Well-Known Member
Now who is comparing humans with equines.
this is like the twilight zone.
you had suggested it originally yourself..
Now who is comparing humans with equines.
Oh poor Paddi22, left out of the loop again where Ahar animals are concerned
To be honest, you lot couldn't have made a bigger fuss about it if you'd found Shergar than you did making this 'tremendous discovery about a so called hidden horse' who actually wasn't hidden at all but was safely grazing on some rented land away from the main Ahar centre.
Now who is comparing humans with equines.
I dont actually think the horse was 'hidden' - more 'out of sight, out of mind' ...... But it was VERY quickly moved back to AHAR and operated on when her whereabouts was discovered. And do you not agree, chocolate moonbeam, that the horses discovered with her- Couer and the emaciated chestnut with the big knee, were in an absolutely awful condition and certainly didnt need to be turned out onto poor grazing.
Ahar seemed to be 'in denial' that they had these horses, because plenty of donators to them asked where they were, and no updates were forthcoming.
And this exactly the reason why I posted the petition.
Yet another animal "saved" by AHAR who rushed to its aid, raked in hundreds in a shocking story of abuse. Then the animal disappears out of sight once it's served it's purpose of being a "headline cashcow" only to rot and go back to or worse of a condition it was "saved" from and then its onto the next glory seeking money maker.
AHAR is a business it should be called "cash for cruelty". We will show you cruelty and you give us cash. But don't ask for updates PLEASE ��
And Ahar is a charity, not a business.
Yet to be proved. We are still waiting for the production of accounts to show where half a million Euros of donations have actually been spent and a balance sheet showing which assets paid for by donor money are actually owned by the charity and which by private individuals or other organisations. Both demanded recently by the charity commission, I believe.
As you are well aware, the CRA sanction time is not yet up. Whether you get to know these details will be up to them, Ahar do not have to put up any more financial information than what is required by the CRA.
No it won't be up to them. Charity accounts are public and can be scrutinised by anyone.
No, the time is not yet up. I am awaiting with interest what happens when it is.
Then go and scrutinise them then.
oh good suggestion, i'd say people will
oh good suggestion, i'd say people will
Thank you. I will. I am particularly interested in finding out who owns all the facilities, which must by now be worth a few hundred thousand. And then who spent the half million euros on what. I doubt we we'll ever find that out but since AHAR have been instructed to produce proper accounts drawn up by a properly qualified person in future, at least it should be a little clearer in a year's time what is happening to the donations.
Then all we will need to worry about is the ethics of a charity paying a meat man for horses, buying puppies on the open market, and abusing animals in the course of fund raising.
Why do you care what the facilities are now worth?
Off you trot then.
You are coming across as more and more dim, I'm afraid
Because if donor money bought them and they are owned by an individual or company and not by AHAR, them a massive fraud would have been perpetrated. A balance sheet has not been produced, but has now been demanded by the CRA, so at the moment there is no way of knowing whether donor funds have been used to substantially increase the value of a privately held property.
Ahar last filed accounts are on the CRA website.
I think you know full well the sanctions related to keeping the books in a proper manner and that there was no suggestion of misappropriation of funds.
Because if donor money bought them and they are owned by an individual or company and not by AHAR, them a massive fraud would have been perpetrated. A balance sheet has not been produced, but has now been demanded by the CRA, so at the moment there is no way of knowing whether donor funds have been used to substantially increase the value of a privately held property.
AHAR have been told to account for half a million euros of spending which are unaccounted for.
AHAR have been told to employ a properly qualified person to produce proper accounts and a full balance sheet.
Do we have to go through all this again? We did it ad nauseam on another thread last month
The notice, which was accepted by the organisation on the 16th January 2017, requires AHAR to:
Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience.
Introduce periodic financial reporting setting out the income and expenditure (including the nature of that income and expenditure) and the assets and liabilities of the charity.
Ensure all financial reports are scrutinised by the charity trustees under a standing agenda item – ‘financial status of the charity’ during regular management committee meetings.
I find it astonishing that you produce that list, again, as some sort of DEFENSE of AHAR. It is completely shameful that such an instruction needs to be given to any organisation taking so much public money.
You know as well as I do that the instructions above were given because it is known that there is half a million of expenditure unaccounted for. It may be too late to find out where that went, they want to make sure it never happens again.
As far as I can see, the property hasnt changed much since it was an equestrian centre apart from both arenas now being unusable for riding and the whole place looking shabbier. I do not know who actually owns it, or who owns the managers house just up the road.
I produced the list because you seem intent on adding items to it that just are not there. Ergo, you are making it up to suit your agenda.
I don't have an agenda. I'm not a donor and never will be. I wouldn't take an animal from them if you paid me, I value the ones I already have here already too much to risk them. You clearly have a very close connection though. Care to tell us what it is?
I think that's the CRA point, stormox, no-one knows who owns what. Though it doesn't sound like much has been spent on maintaining or improving it all, if the donations have been paying a mortgage but it's owned by a private individual then there would still be a big fraud going on.