An Experiment in the Use of Constructive Criticism

No CC to add but just thought I'd say how much I've missed your reports and hope you are feeling back on form soon and the leg heals quickly.

Plus since there doesn't seem to be any chocolate on this thread yet (I haven't read the whole thing ;)) I can offer Minstrels and frozen Mars bars :p :D!
 
Rats. I have that book in a box in Canada. There are also a couple of very good books in a similar vein but more horsey by Rob Schinke, who rode at 4* and is now a clinical psychologist and sports therapist.

Could you wrangle a bit of this year's sloe gin? It's killing me having sloe gin, sloe gin everywhere and not a drop to drink.

You have so many books that I'd like in that damn box I'm considering going out there to fetch them myself. :mad:

Oh if you could only see how much sloe gin we have stashed away, you could have a litre and he wouldn't miss it. ;)
 
I recently ditched a planned dressage outing for a trip (avec horses) to the beach involving hip-flasks, highly-irresponsible and slightly-out-of control flat out galloping and paddling in far too deep and shrieking when the waves got us. This was followed by a proper pub lunch (dripping all over the pub in our breeches and socks) on the way home. Much less productive than the dressage outing but very liberating and good for the soul ;).

This sounds like just what i need!!

And as a doc I'm trying desperately to think what these 'uppers' might be - they sound useful!!!
 
Hell you are going to crash the forum in a minute, is the post a record, largest ever that hasn't turned into a huge controversy!

As far as I'm concerned you are an inspiration (licks boots) to achieve what you have with the medical issues and not so tender years you have given me the courage to fight on and quell the demons that say this is a young persons sport (it may be but some old codgers can suceed!)

It is sometimes diffficult when you are throwing all your capabilities, talents and training at a horse yet the results are not what you wish. I am beginning to think the biggest way we can all improve is to get the mental side (brain in gear not madness) right so we focus on what we have achieved and not where we have failed (we should find a positive in everything!)

Hoping to be comparing success stories next year :)

Maybe everyone came to look, thinking it would be controversial when in fact it's very dull. :p

I think you're right about being there being strength in being able to focus on the positive side of what we do; I'm sure you and I can think of several riders who aren't that brilliant yet seem to have success through being able to dismiss the bad days and keep focused on moving forwards. I know it's not as simple as that, but perhaps we should both train in NLP and apply it wherever and whenever the need arises (that's daily, in my case :o).

I'll raise my glass to you and I chewing the cud whilst waiting for prizegiving :p when we're back and fully functional next season. :D
 
^^^Completely agree!! :)

I know it sounds cheesey, but you really are an inspiration Baydale! I have no CC to offer, as some really great advice has already been offered. I think you have had some fantastic results with 2 young horses this year, I really enjoy reading your reports and the way you write speaks volumes about the kind of person you are! (in a good way btw!) As do your responses on this thread.

Things like this thread are the reason I keep coming on here, if you can look past the bitchy stuff (which I do) then there are some fantastic people on here and it is a shame when someone decides to leave because of a few bad eggs.

Keep up the good work! I wish you all the best with recovery from your broken leg, and the chemo! :)

Awww, thanks A&K, I'll forgive you the cheesyness (sp/) as you've said such nice things. I wholeheartedly agree with you about the fantastic people on here, and hopefully any of the fantastic ex-HHO people are my mates on Facebook - yay, a win win situation. :D
 
Well I don't have 3 years spare so will not be reading everything that's been said in between my last post and this one! Seems like it's all stayed very chummy going by the couple of posts above mine.

Yes, you were crooked in the counter canter, my current "forefront thought" (I can manage about one forefront and two background thoughts I find), is to plug my spine into the horse's, and make sure they are perpendicular. Like Lego. Hips, rib-cage, and shoulders can "float" around spine. Definitely helps me with weight distribution.

His canter needs to be bigger to get a mark more I think. I know he probably finds it hard going by his walk, but I think if you just "dressage-up" his sj canter he'll look better. It may be that that's a lot to contain in a 20x40 granted.

SJ, not bad at all. W lurches left in a normal Sprenger (his dressage bit), I have recently put him in a waterford fulmer and he's much straighter. He's also straighter in straight-bar bits such as his pelham. The difference is quite noticeable. Trainer sometimes puts up two fences about 5 or 6 strides apart, and to begin with I have to ride a 10m left circle in between the two (to get him off the left shoulder), then progress to riding left shoulder-in in between the two. Makes us think, and does make him more inclined to stay straight after a few repetitions.

I'll still have him ;).

It's definitely stayed chummy as no-one has dared risk the wrath of Baydale by bluntly pointing out that I ride like a bag of poo and my pony is too fat. :p

Thanks for the other bits; interesting that W stays straighter in straight bar bits, I'll be interested to see how Jup is in the jointed HM pelham, but I've got a waterford fulmer too so will perhaps try that.

Lionel does a similar exercise with a line of fences two strides apart, circling left after 1, then right after jumping 1 and 2, then left after jumping 1, 2 and 3 etc, but I'll try that with them further apart and also shoulder-in. Also will get plugged in, lego-like, easier said than done on a roly poly shaped horse. :rolleyes:
 
i really really like that, "plug my spine into the horse's". ***lightbulb moment*** Ta!
this is something my trainer got me looking out for - in so many pictures (in H&H etc) the rider is not positioned in line with the horse's centre of balance, but when they are, it has such an effect.

B, my McTimoney guy's here next Wed late a'noon and evening doing me and my lot if that's any good for you? You just need a short walk after treatment and are then fine to drive. He's really excellent. I'll try to think of a bribe or two... ;) ;)

Would love to but I'm at work in MK on Wednesday. Could you pm me his details please and I'll try and sort another day and place to be seen.
 
Just a thought re strength and core stability... do you ever ride bareback?

I've been running late a couple of mornings recently (I ride before work and these cold dark mornings are tough) so have hopped on without a saddle. Work without stirrups is no trouble at all... but bareback has really highlighted to me how much tiny little things can actually have a bigger impact. The moment we lose inside bend my weight moves to the outside making me feel very vulnerable and obviously correct it... however with a saddle I don't feel this (and have been assured it's not visible, indeed I can't see it on video) and therefore don't correct it as I'm not aware of it happening. Ie I'm aware of the loss of bend but not of the change in my weight.

And certainly when I get off can feel that my legs/hips/abs have had quite a work out! And it definitely tunes you in to your horses minute movements.

Re the "plug your spine in" on a similar theme someone, can't remember who, said to think of those plastic little horses and people where the horse had a spike on their back and the person would slot on and to imagine yourself doing the same. The comment which I think is good is "plug your seatbones in" as you can feel them so easily and makes you aware of being central.

MB, I was having palpitations at thought of riding without stirrups, never mind bareback. I'll be brave one day and give it a go but I have a feeling it will get messy, knowing Jup's need to play the left/right game with me. :rolleyes:
 
Now if you were a horse how much money would you have spent now on getting it fixed?? We seem to spend so much money on chiroprators, massages etc on our horses, but what do we do for our selves:confused: Think we need to start taking better care of our selves, can you imagine how ours nags feel :p:p

I think I can imagine how our nags feel, and I hope I'm right; we've had a few comments about how happy our horses look when people have come onto the yard - I reckon it's just them putting on their cute faces knowing that someone will have a packet of polos. ;)
 
Hi Baydale, no crit from me - can't watch the vids!
But another one to definitely say Pilates for your core strength - and get an instructor that comes and shouts at you! Mine used to come over and poke my gut :mad: to make me work harder but it did the trick (also helped that she'd had 3 kids but looked about 19 and seriously toned so something to aim for :cool:) we had another one that used to just say *breathy voice* "and in your own time if you'd like to begin" and just pansy about - not so good!
Alternatively - find a way to have a go on a sulky, through the summer holding myself upright on a small seat with legs akimbo round a bouncy field for 40 mins a time does wonders for mine :eek: :D

Eek, I shall look forward to a beasting from a feisty Pilates instructor, preferably a gorgeous male one. ;) meardsall_millie and I will ache from laughing more than from the Pilates I reckon!
 
No CC from me (obviously, I don't even ride :o) but I do think you shouldn't underestimate the effect what you've been through has had on your riding and your body in general. For what it's worth, I also think that the fact that you've decided to do something about it is very positive.

Rosie spent about 18 months convinced that all she had to do was carry on as usual and she'd soon be back to riding like she used to but for the past year she's accepted she needs expert help and has been having as many lessons as she can afford - flatwork in particular. She's also accepted that her core strength ain't what it used to be. I don't know if she's doing anything about it yet but she knows she needs to.

After we saw you (at Keysoe I think) my daughter said to me that she wasn't sure that carrying on as usual was the best way to get through recovering from chemo/breast cancer but, having watched Rosie over the last couple of years, she felt she understood why you were doing it.

Doubt this is very helpful (and possibly confusing) but I'm certain there's life in the old dog yet. There, I've been rude ;) :p :eek:.

Oh there's definitely life in this old dog yet. :D

Funny you should say that about the long-term impact on Rosie's riding, especially for one so young - or compared to me anyway. :o I'm convinced the horsey PMA (positive mental attitude) can contribute towards healing, or coping with healing, after trauma, but a major accident or threat to your health is bound to affect you mentally too.

Ask your daughter if she can imagine the most grumpy, miserable, out-of-sorts person ever - that would've been me if I hadn't carried on with my life and the horses. :o I'd have no friends by now, not even virtual ones. ;)
 
I've just read this entire thread - it made for a very extended lunch break indeed! :eek: :)

I think that any CC I'd have the temerity to make have already been covered, mostly by people vastly more qualified than me to do so. The thing about getting slightly too holding in front of the fence is something I do too (to a much worse extent than you). I got roundly b*ll*cked for it by KC the other week who basically said 'you've got a very talented horse but you're sitting there killing the canter every time'. Luckily the motivational chat was captured on video so I can go back to it every time I need my bottom kicking.

Pilates is something I'm meaning to do (physio was horrified by my lack of core muscles and I haven't even had anything wrong with me to blame it on :eek:), but make sure you get your head sorted out too. This post may have been made with that intention but a few sessions with a sports psychologist would be worth the money I think.

ps. I knew Juno was male ;). I feel like I've passed some sort of test! :o

It's cheaper than buying a magazine to read in your lunch hour, unless veterinary journals are your thing. ;)

I think I will plan to sort out my physical shortcomings, see how that impacts on my riding and then, if I think it would help, see a sports psychologist. Blimey,:eek: so much to do just to be able to function properly as a competitor. It's serious stuff, innit? :rolleyes:
 
Only watched the dressage, and he doesn't look an easy ride to me. Something doesn't seem right in the canter, can't decide whether you're using massive amounts of seat to keep him cantering or controlling him from being too onward bound by your seat. For me I would like it to look a lot more effortless somehow. The trot work was good, and the halts amazing, talk about square!
Will look forward to seeing the other vids when I get time (right now my osteopath visit looms)
 
Apart from green really suiting you and your shiny pony - I still can't quite compute that this is the opinionated slightly fuzzy 3 year old I first met all those years ago - he looks very smart, and I can see that his balance has improved over the last 6 months alone.

I thought he did a neat little test - perhaps seeming to get on his head a little when he loses balance, but as I said before I see real improvement in his self carriage and he looks far more established that I've seen him look previously. For better marks I think they would look for a little more 'swagger' in the trot work and a little more jump in the canter. At times he looks a little contained but riding a test on grass when there are exciting things going on all around is very different to riding a test in an indoor on a good surface with little or no distractions so sometimes it is best to go for safe to secure the good mark, than to throw caution to the wind, throw him off balance and lose marks in pursuit of a bit of flashiness. It might be something to consider playing with over the winter in some tests to see if you can get some different comments from judges. We are only talking some slight tweaks here and there - you can see the foundations are good and his rhythm is lovely. I also didn't see any evidence of the teenager - you know those flashes of opinion that he sometimes threw in for a bit of variety - he looks sweetness and light :D

Showjumping - I am not qualified to comment :rolleyes:

XC - he looks keen and buzzy enough to react but not get silly and I didn't see anything wrong with your riding particularly. You've commented on core stability which let's face it we could all work on to one degree or another, but you were forward and positive to the fences and not getting in his way. You looked safe and so did he. :)

Friend of mine (rider) has just started pilates (down south) and keeps telling me how hard it is. She has discovered that she is completely inflexible and goes home aching - she is however really seeing the difference. Carrie Adams used to run the Pilates for riders at Collingham...... there is also a lot you can do on a swiss ball at home. I've got a couple of books at home - happy to copy you a few exercises if you like?

I'd forgotten the fuzzy felt pony of a few years ago. :D

You're absolutely right about it needing more swagger and jump, and I think that will come when I get softness and more rideability. Currently I can't do the corrections I need to without getting more tension so I have to ride a safe test which, as you know, isn't my style. OMG even my dressage riding has got defensive. :rolleyes: Looks like I'll be at Vale View regularly this winter, doesn't it? ;)

Re the pilates, that would be great if you could copy some exercises for me, thanks. No pain, no gain. :rolleyes:
 
I think I can imagine how our nags feel, and I hope I'm right; we've had a few comments about how happy our horses look when people have come onto the yard - I reckon it's just them putting on their cute faces knowing that someone will have a packet of polos. ;)

Yep agreeded have 2 with cupboard love;) but seriously go get a sports massage I ride so much better after one!:p:p
 
Not offering any CC as what I have to say about the SJ round has already been said, by Juno and Mbequest and others...

What I do have to say is about your pelvis...I used to ride really well, I rode big tracks, lots of horses, horrid horses mostly, but I found it easy. I took a break and had the children and put on weight and suffered from collapsing vertebrae in my back, huge pelvis problems (it split), everything shite that you can. I started riding again and TBH I kidded myself for years that I could still ride how I used to, I cannot, I have now accepted this, the motor skills through my pelvis and my lower back and my core strength will never be the same.

So, what I am trying to say is yes, it may well be because of your pelvis. Invest time, money and expertise into sorting it now, I didn't and it is a huge regret of mine as I am 10 years on from all the trauma I suffered and I let it fester and f up for good :D :D :D

And for the meantime....stop getting paralysis by analysis, start enjoying yourself, go do a load of Am SJ classes over the winter and have fun, refresh the mind and all that. You know you are capable and the over critiquing has to stop as it will only serve to f you up even more x

That's v interesting, Weezy, about you losing your core strength, and ouch at the thought of your pelvis splitting. I'll explore all options to getting mine sorted although I'm sure it's a combination of things that have all crept up on me simultaneously.

I'll have to disagree with you that I'm paralysing myself with analysis though, nor over-critiquing; I think I've managed to keep up when circumstances could have led me to go backwards. Or is that not what you meant. :confused:

Totally agree re going out and having some fun jumping the Am classes this winter, Jup will like that. :D
 
WOW, what a thread. Some really good advice that I think we can all take on board & some really lovely comments.

No CC from me as you are a fair better rider than I can ever hope to be but I would just like to say that I too have really missed your reports. I don't think I have ever read one where you haven't had some kind of advantage & they always make me laugh. :D

I really hope you get back to where you want to be riding wise, though I would be very happy with myself if I was where you are now. :) I beleive you will achieve it as your attitude to life is fantastic, so the very best of luck. :D

It's a whopper of a thread, SW66. :eek: Loads of useful stuff in it that I shall be using, definitely.

Thank you for your kind words, I'll try and get back on track with reports soon. :)
 
I have got a copy of this book if you want it but it is quite old. I bought it when I was working in Canada 15 years ago so I don't know if there is an updated edition. If you want it pm me your address and I will pop it in the post tomorrow.

tiggs, that is so kind of you to offer to do that. :) I'll pm you now and paypal you some money for postage.
 
No CC from me only watching for hints and techniques i can appropriate for myself :p .

I have bad right hip/knee combo from old injuries. I have monthly lunge sessions (just 30 mins) where I ride without stirrups and it has really helped me improve balance and consequently helped horse.

I am impressed with how constructive a HHO thread can be :D :D
 
I'm not stalking you, honest :D
There is one at Castledyke Equestrian Centre in Boston, any good? I can find you the number if you are really nice to me, then again, you could just Google :D :p

Whew, that's a relief. :p If you've got the number to hand, yes please; if not I'll google it. Do you fancy coming too if Kerilli and I get organised to go?
 
I recently ditched a planned dressage outing for a trip (avec horses) to the beach involving hip-flasks, highly-irresponsible and slightly-out-of control flat out galloping and paddling in far too deep and shrieking when the waves got us. This was followed by a proper pub lunch (dripping all over the pub in our breeches and socks) on the way home. Much less productive than the dressage outing but very liberating and good for the soul ;).

You could of course go hunting instead. Much the same thing :p.

:D Hunting is on the cards, yes, Marty and I need to go, a lot, and I did promise Jooopiter a few days although BaggyBreeches had volunteered to test drive him first. ;)
 
I think posts like these really mean the rest of us without the ability of some of you can really learn :) I've found it really useful to read the comments and either a - be pleased I noticed it too or b- can go back to the vids/pics and see what they mean :)

I'm very much looking forward to another update when you feel inclined :)

They're great, aren't they? Sharing of information, discussion, debate - although not so much in this thread admittedly - all good learning tools.

I promise I'll get back to reports when I'm doing something worthwhile and when I have the time. Mind you, I seem to have enough time to reply to all on this thread, albeit over three days! ;)
 
Another thing - all your horses are so HUGE. Spend more time pony squishing the blue 'n' white one, t'is good for the soul ;) :D.

Don't, Rosiefan, I'm still gutted that I had to miss Oasby and Norton Disney on him; his owner was chuffed though as she got to ride him and was 3rd and 4th. :D She said she liked having her trainer with her at both, even if course-walking on crutches was challenging for me. :o
 
no cc from me just wanted to say your a real insperation and the very best of luck to you

oh and us not so experienced can learn a lot through helpful cc really interesting thread :)

Thanks, angelish. We never stop learning so there may be snippets of use to even the most seasoned rider in here. :)
 
No CC to add but just thought I'd say how much I've missed your reports and hope you are feeling back on form soon and the leg heals quickly.

Plus since there doesn't seem to be any chocolate on this thread yet (I haven't read the whole thing ;)) I can offer Minstrels and frozen Mars bars :p :D!

Thank you, jumptoit, and for pointing out that I've been remiss in offering yummy things for anyone that's joined in. Ma Baydale is coming to stay tomorrow so there will be fresh cake, or you can make do with my Nigella muesli bar if you fancy the healthy option. :)
 
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