ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I've been verbally assaulted simply for brushing a dog with a packamac jacket, so this is a real issue!
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Another fatal dog attack
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I've been verbally assaulted simply for brushing a dog with a packamac jacket, so this is a real issue!
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AmyMay
Situation normal
Quigleyandme
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I just plaited some of the thick bailer twine from big square bales because I’m 65 and my upper body strength isn’t what it was and I thought if I have to choke a dog that weighs the same as me - 59kg - I need to be able to hold it’s front end off the ground for some minutes. In the video the man explains the dog needs two things to maintain the hold it has on it’s victim; blood and oxygen. Choking it deprives it of both and it will let go but you need to do it until it loses consciousness ideally.
CanteringCarrot
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I couldn't care less if someone comes at me verbally. Physically, well, that's a problem.
I'm comfortable with killing an animal, and that includes dogs. Dealing with the owner would be difficult, especially because that's called murder, apparently
It's a joke. A bad one
I'm comfortable with killing an animal, and that includes dogs. Dealing with the owner would be difficult, especially because that's called murder, apparently
It's a joke. A bad one
Caol Ila
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Can someone send me a photo of the baling twine garrote? Wouldn't be stupid to have one in a pocket. I see a red mist when dogs come at my horses, and if one attached itself to my horse, then God help it.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Michael Ellis says a lot
Using a big wide flat collar to out a dog and dragging the dog away from something will increase drive, for sure. If, for instance you tell a dog to out, you hold it up with that type of collar (which is designed not to cause damage) and it lets go, and you immediately put the dog back on the ground and restart the game - drag it back/kick the ball/the helper springs away, yes, that will increase drive. Some people will literally call that collar the 'drive' or 'agitation' collar as it allows them to be crazy. A lot of dogs will immediately start barking if you put your hand on the handle of that collar, they do not see it as a negative.
That's not the same as choking/strangling with something thin.
Depriving a dog of oxygen to the point of it passing out will not increase drive because the dog will have gone into self preservation mode, and it will need recovery time before it can even think about biting again, there won't be any drive.
skinnydipper
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Thank you.
skinnydipper
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"Emergency services attended and a 12-year-old boy was taken to hospital with serious injuries, believed to be life changing. A 31-year-old woman also received injuries, which are not thought to be life changing/threatening."
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
"an eyewitness who saw the 'pit bull' begin attacking the boy as local desperately tried to fend it off."
LIVE updates: 12-year-old boy and a woman injured in dog attack in Oldham
Emergency services have been pictured at the scene on Meldrum Street
"an eyewitness who saw the 'pit bull' begin attacking the boy as local desperately tried to fend it off."
skinnydipper
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They might not think they could but if a loved one or even someone else's loved one's life was at stake they might find they could do what was necessary to save them.
cauda equina
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I am astonished that people who own 'bull' type dogs are not getting the message that they need to keep them under control or get rid of them"Emergency services attended and a 12-year-old boy was taken to hospital with serious injuries, believed to be life changing. A 31-year-old woman also received injuries, which are not thought to be life changing/threatening."
LIVE updates: 12-year-old boy and a woman injured in dog attack in Oldham
Emergency services have been pictured at the scene on Meldrum Street
"an eyewitness who saw the 'pit bull' begin attacking the boy as local desperately tried to fend it off."
Attacks seem to be becoming more frequent, not less
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Wouldn't the easiest way to strangle a dog be to put your foot on the back of its neck and pull with all your might double handed on one end of a noose round is neck? If I felt I'd ever use it I'd carry baler twine with a loop knotted at one end and several loops knotted at the other to enable me to take a grip at the best point to get the best pull.
cauda equina
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Or a cotton lead rope would probably do it - you could thread the free end through the ring attached to the clip, and it would be easier to get a grip on something thicker and less cheese wire-y
skinnydipper
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That sounds a bit precarious. I think I'd rather have both feet on the floor.
Jenko109
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This. Dog only needs to knock you with his hind end to get you off balance and put you on the floor. A place I would certainly not want to be.
Goldenstar
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I saw a video on you tube from the US it dog trainer commenting on dog fights that people had posted .
Apart from the horror that owners are often too busy videoing things to intervene there was some nasty fights .
His advice was carry an extra lead which you can form into garrotte .
I have decided that perhaps Pipcan be unruly at times and the best thing I can do is carry an extra lead over my shoulders and choke chain in my pocket just in case .
Apart from the horror that owners are often too busy videoing things to intervene there was some nasty fights .
His advice was carry an extra lead which you can form into garrotte .
I have decided that perhaps Pipcan be unruly at times and the best thing I can do is carry an extra lead over my shoulders and choke chain in my pocket just in case .
SDMabel
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Having tried to separate a Staffie that had a terrier by the neck (tried pulling it by its back legs, just dragged the terrier with it, tried fingers in eye sockets, even the bloody finger up bum trick someone told me years ago ) - this terrier was going to die if i didnt get the staffie off .
The only thing that worked was a metal lead, looped through the handle to make a noose, put high up on the dogs neck , just behind ears and pulled it so tight my arms were throbbing till the point of the dog passing out, she then released the terrier and i carried her away hanging from the lead still.
It was barbaric , i felt awful but in that instance the terrier was going to die. She has punctured his jugular in 3 places he ended up in emergency vets with a drain fitted and it was touch and go for a while.
The only thing that worked was a metal lead, looped through the handle to make a noose, put high up on the dogs neck , just behind ears and pulled it so tight my arms were throbbing till the point of the dog passing out, she then released the terrier and i carried her away hanging from the lead still.
It was barbaric , i felt awful but in that instance the terrier was going to die. She has punctured his jugular in 3 places he ended up in emergency vets with a drain fitted and it was touch and go for a while.
cauda equina
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It might have seemed barbaric but surely it's better to choke the aggressor than the innocent victim die?
SDMabel
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Most certainly, I would do it again in a heart beat .
Neither dogs were mine, but both parties just stood screaming
,bonny
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I think some of you are confusing what to do to stop a dog fight with what to do if a large dog attacks you, they are totallly different scenarios
skinnydipper
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We've got Plan A sorted. If a dog is attacking a person or dog, choke it until it loses consciousness.
What is Plan B?
What do you do if a large dog attacks you?
What do you do if a large dog attacks you and there is no-one around to help?
What is Plan B?
What do you do if a large dog attacks you?
What do you do if a large dog attacks you and there is no-one around to help?
Goldenstar
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Yes it is if you are brave enough I hope I would be .
Its very bad that you now have to think about arming yourself with enough knowledge to deal with situations But you have to think about .
BTW the dog parks in the US look like terrifying places .
Errin Paddywack
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We haven't tried to discuss what to do if attacked yourself and no-one around to help. Pray?
SDMabel
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And there lies the problem.
I had the discussion the other day with someone who argued a jack Russell could do the same amount of damage to a person as an XL bully.
I argued back that although scary and could inflict damage , it would not be to the same degree as an XL bully , that a terrier would be much easier to overpower and deflect than an XL bully.
Being a farmers OH, my car keys have a pen knife on if i had them i would have some form of weapon to defend myself but i wouldn't know where to start with a large dog that was in full on attack mode.
Dog attack/ human attacks are very different ball games.
But i do think it's useful to know what to do in the case of a dog on dog attack.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Yes we have, several times on different threads. Try to get up high/try to get something between you and the dog/behind a barrier/try to get something else in the dog's mouth. Don't scream or shout. If you are bitten, go floopy and don't struggle.
AmyMay
Situation normal
Knife to the back of the neck to sever the spinal cord.
marmalade76
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This would be impossible - a pen knife in the spine of a large muscular dog? You'd need a big, very sharp knife and have to be pretty strong to boot. With a pen knife you'd have to go for the soft undercarriage and even then I'd say you'd have a job just to cut through all the skin layers.
SDMabel
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And that's assuming it doesn't get hold of your hand before you have a chance to remove pen knife !
It is something i think about more now , we live at the end of a lane and after the farm is a green lane so do get the odd dog walkers up here.
I regularly leave the farm with our dogs and my toddler walking with me, narrow lane with tall hedges and high banks, it would be a nightmare to try and escape to get out of the way of a large dog especially with little human in tow.
You are almost relying on the perfect conditions to escape the dog ( able to get up high /out of reach / barricade yourself away from dog )
CanteringCarrot
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Also, stabbing something is a lot harder than people imagine it to be.
Where I live, and due to what licenses I have, I can carry a firearm, so that might be my go to in certain dangerous animal situations. That's primarily why I carry. I hike remotely and we have a lot of wildlife. Generally, none really mess with humans.
A knife, if you can carry and use one, isn't a bad bet. Especially if you can paralyze, decapitate, or enable copious amounts of blood loss.
Man, this is all so macabre
Jenko109
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I think carrying a knife makes sense. After all, as horse owners, it is perfectly reasonable that we would have a knife on our person.
Opening bales of hay, cutting through rogue bits of electric fence, opening feed bags, hacking shreds out of dangerous dogs that are trying to kill us.... the list goes on.
Opening bales of hay, cutting through rogue bits of electric fence, opening feed bags, hacking shreds out of dangerous dogs that are trying to kill us.... the list goes on.
sarah.oxford
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Dogs trust have stopped taking in xl bullies.