maisie06
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I have quite a strong constitution but I couldn't bring myself to watch the video ....
Another fatal dog attack
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misst
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I haven't watched it as I know it will upset me and make me feel sick. I get more distressed by animal violence/abuse than people abuse. I am not sure what this says about me but I feel anxious just thinking about watching it.
Caol Ila
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Another one in Motherwell:
www.glasgowlive.co.uk
'XL Bully' put down as Motherwell teenager hospitalised after savage attack
Police raced to the entrance of Oakfield High Rise, on Anderson Street, where the attack took place on Wednesday morning. The 'XL Bully' type dog has since been euthanised.
rara007
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Colchester City Council reveals it will not collect XL bully strays https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-67159064
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Goodness.
Whilst it is very understandable that dog wardens are very wary of taking in such dogs, if they don’t, who will? Currently it seems to affect ‘stray’ XL bullies who have been taken to the vets for chip scanning who the council are swerving responsibility for, but where does that stop?
Strays are always being collected by members of the public in these parts and taken to local vet practices for chip scanning, it’s a service that seems to be generally accepted. That will leave the vets to decide the future of stray XL bullies, then.
That is a knee jerk reaction that needs re thinking.
cauda equina
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From that article:
A council spokesperson said the authority would "continue to operate a stray dog collection service", but "we have made the difficult decision not to accept XL Bully type dogs from vets."
Which sounds fair enough to me - the owners obviously don't want the dogs anymore and they can't be safely rehomed, so what is the council supposed to do with them?
If they're going to be pts anyway the vets might as well just get on with it
A council spokesperson said the authority would "continue to operate a stray dog collection service", but "we have made the difficult decision not to accept XL Bully type dogs from vets."
Which sounds fair enough to me - the owners obviously don't want the dogs anymore and they can't be safely rehomed, so what is the council supposed to do with them?
If they're going to be pts anyway the vets might as well just get on with it
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Currently the council, if it is like here, takes in strays and holds them for 7 days waiting to see if they are claimed. After that, they are PTS or rehomed.
Vets do not operate a PTS stray dog policy, they do their bit re chip scanning then hand them over to the dog warden.
The council can’t just drop the ball leaving vets holding XL bullies without prior consultation - procedures have to be changed.
Vets do not operate a PTS stray dog policy, they do their bit re chip scanning then hand them over to the dog warden.
The council can’t just drop the ball leaving vets holding XL bullies without prior consultation - procedures have to be changed.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
That is simply unfair on vets. They can't just destroy a healthy dog without knowing whether it has an owner, they would be committing a criminal offence if the dog is later claimed. There's no abandonment notice" procedure for a dog that I know of, so they would be faced with housing the dog until such time as it's proved they aren't wanted.
The vets are likely to refuse to take healthy stray bullys, so what does the finder do then? Turn it loose again?
I think Colchester are going to have to rethink that one.
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splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
I’m the same, they showed a video of the catchers with the hens and just the description of the way they treated them made me upset so I turned the tv off, I don’t need to see I’ll treatment of animals or dog fights to imagine how awful it is. Once I’ve seen something like that it keeps on coming back to me so better I don’t look
skinnydipper
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Moment 'XL Bully' attacks teen as passers-by desperately try and stop horror mauling
THIS is the horrifying moment a suspected XL Bully savages a teenager outside a block of flats. The bloody attack took place at the entrance of Oakfield high rise in Anderson Street in Motherwell. …www.thesun.co.uk
The young man who was attacked outside the block of flats in Motherwell, was the owner of the dog. He tried to intervene when the dog tried to attack a passerby and the dog turned on him instead.
The dog was 6 months old.
KittenInTheTree
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So, is it already common knowledge that the ban on XL Bullies won't apply in Northern Ireland?
CanteringCarrot
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All of this is so f*cked.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
That's up to NI, isn't it? They can bring in the same ban if they want to.
Chucho
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Are pitbulls not currently banned in NI then?
KittenInTheTree
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We'd need our alleged politicians to actually turn up and do their jobs for a change first!
KittenInTheTree
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Yes they are, but the XL doesn't count as a pitbull, don't you know? Presumably because it's too big
We've got a law regarding sighthounds having to be leashed and muzzled in public that doesn't seem to exist elsewhere in the UK. Maybe they can just expand that to include the XL Bullies.
ArklePig
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Pitbulls are banned in NI under the Dangerous Dogs (NI) Order 1991. As KITT says we'd need a government for any ammendments/new legislation so I guess the owners of XL Bullies can rest easy cause that won't happen any time soon. Not that it stops the frothy mouthed 'It's the owner not the breed' camp on my local Facebook groups
CanteringCarrot
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It's the owners and the breed.
The end.
Laws will help for sure, but there's definitely a larger issue at hand
The end.
Laws will help for sure, but there's definitely a larger issue at hand
Quigleyandme
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I watched the video and I learned from it. I now have a thick bailer twine garrotte with comfort handles in my handbag. There are no houses around me but where there are houses further up there are some large dogs that wear shock collars. Not only is this abhorrent and a poor substitute for training and socialisation, they don’t deter a dog with it’s blood up. One attacked my neighbour’s little terrier mix bitch that I was walking. In fairness it was a rescue, the family were very apologetic and concerned and Lassie was completely unscathed and trotted home quite happily. If I’m ever unlucky enough to have an encounter with one of these bull breeds attacking an animal or person I now know what to do and I’m equipped to do it.
Clodagh
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Did he actually show what to do? I didn’t watch until the end. And am not going to!
limestonelil
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Yes, it would be really useful to know what time it appears in the video.
J&T
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Kind of he demonstrates with a leash ( no dogs insight) how to choke a pitbull type and this part of the video takes place after all the horrible videos he reacts to so it's safe to watch that part but again it's only worth knowing if you are confident enough to choke a dog out he states that most average dogs kicking ect will work for some but pits and dog like pits so cane Corso other mastiffs ect nothing will work other than choking them unconscious to free the other dog.
To me I would be ok with choking an XL bully even to death to save my girl or any other dog or even a person for that matter and I carry a slip lead with me everywhere because you never know.
My girl got attacked recently by a shar pei and he would not let go of her. the owner tried to get him off by kicking him and picking him up but no matter what he held on and so despite the owner shouting at me I put my slip lead round his neck and choked him until he let go and was unconscious but breathing and I hurried my girl to the vet. She currently can't walk on that leg and is on pain meds and antibiotics and should recover but the vet said if you didn't act when you did she would have lost it.
I just think the more people know what to do the better but in these situations I'm a fight person rather than flight but we all have our own different ways of reacting and dealing with situations.
The Shar pei by the way is fine and has gone on to attack a further 2 dogs after attacking mine.
J&T
Well-Known Member
He starts the demonstration at 26.18 and there's no more attack videos after that it's just him talking from that moment on.
Moobli
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Could you take a photo? What do you have for the “comfort” handles. I’m going to get my hubby to make me one I think. Hopefully I’ll never need it but …
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
So strangulation seems to be the preferred course of action, but what then? Do you finish it?
I watched an incident captured on a security camera. Women are walking down the street with 2 small dogs when a loose pit bull type dog runs at them. The women pick up their dogs and hold them high whereupon the PBT latches on to the foot of one of the women. Her friend tries to help but is ineffectual. A man runs across, comes behind the dog, with his legs each side he then gets the dog in a strangle hold with his forearm across the dog’s throat and the dog releases the woman’s foot. The man keeps the dog in a strangle hold until the others have moved away, by this time the dog is unconscious. He then releases his hold. The dog is up on its feet and running within about 2 seconds. All this happens in about a minute.
I can’t find the first video of the event that I watched which gives a wider view of the street and pavements and showed the women walking down the street with their dogs before they noticed the PBT running towards them.
During the attack someone on a motorbike passed by them and didn’t stop.
The shorter version with cropped screen is here:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/642084597557806
Michael Ellis said that choking a dog off the bite builds drive. He said the Dutch Police train their dogs like that, choke them off the bite and the guy moves away, when they let the dogs go they go in harder. That might be the type of dog and might not apply to all breeds. @CorvusCorax may know?
I watched an incident captured on a security camera. Women are walking down the street with 2 small dogs when a loose pit bull type dog runs at them. The women pick up their dogs and hold them high whereupon the PBT latches on to the foot of one of the women. Her friend tries to help but is ineffectual. A man runs across, comes behind the dog, with his legs each side he then gets the dog in a strangle hold with his forearm across the dog’s throat and the dog releases the woman’s foot. The man keeps the dog in a strangle hold until the others have moved away, by this time the dog is unconscious. He then releases his hold. The dog is up on its feet and running within about 2 seconds. All this happens in about a minute.
I can’t find the first video of the event that I watched which gives a wider view of the street and pavements and showed the women walking down the street with their dogs before they noticed the PBT running towards them.
During the attack someone on a motorbike passed by them and didn’t stop.
The shorter version with cropped screen is here:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/642084597557806
Michael Ellis said that choking a dog off the bite builds drive. He said the Dutch Police train their dogs like that, choke them off the bite and the guy moves away, when they let the dogs go they go in harder. That might be the type of dog and might not apply to all breeds. @CorvusCorax may know?
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KittenInTheTree
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I have no qualms about using force to defend me or mine. Realistically though, you also have to worry about how the attacking dog's human or humans will react to you hurting Fluffy Fangs Von Baby Eater IV, so you need a plan to deal with violence from that aspect too.
Errin Paddywack
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Better to just use a rope with a loop one end and thread the other through, only needs one rope to be pulled so you can use both hands on it. Much harder if you have to use a hand on each end.
AmyMay
Situation normal
When I kicked a dog half way across a beach that was attacking my dog the owner was totally nonplussed
. To be honest a red mist descended and it didn’t occur to me to consider the owners feeling or reaction. My language and demeanour was enough to send others running - so I guess the owner felt suitably worried too.
Clodagh
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Friend I shoot with strangled a staffie off his spaniel last year. He stopped once it was unconscious, he was ready to kill it but the owner begged him not to do he let it go once it was totally out. It did come back awake again but was pretty far gone and no trouble while owner regathered it.
I’m not sure most people actually could kill a dog.
I’m not sure most people actually could kill a dog.
Moobli
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Good thinking!