Another Question about the RAW diet

Oberon Katie Lou can prob answer that question for you.
But the understanding I have, is that if you a are following a prey model aka animal parts, organs etc you don't need to supplement the diet.

I may stand corrected. I do at times feel that I have not researched this diet enough to feed it however I then have to remember that dogs in the wild cope very well.
Think of the strays that cope very well etc they dont get supplemented this and that and have complete diets shoved infront of them.


Maybe I am just naive but I feel I am doing the best for my dogs feeding as much whole prey as poss (rabbit, pheaseant, whole chickens feathers and combs attached) and then animal parts on top(tripe, turkey wings, necks, pork all parts, a fishy day a week which is whatever may be in bargin bin plus a frozen sardine or two) . Mine always have a munch on grass and help themselves to fruit they find (apples, pears, strawberries in this garden).
 
Hi Just wanted to double check the meat to bone ratio for raw? I switched to feeding raw about 6 months ago and after abit of trial & error! mine all now exsist pretty much on chicken carcasses. My butcher bones all his own chickens so I get t all for free :). They are peppered with bits of chicken legs, wing tips, thigh bones & skin. I also buy offal... giblets,necks and ox cheek, tounge, liver, heart which they get once every week or two.
So doing a bit of extra reading lately I find that the recommended bone should make up 10-20% of the diet, the rest being muscle meat( heart, liver,meat etc)
Mine al get a much higher proportion.... They all look very healthy, no constipation( dry-ish nougaty poo) they get a chicken carcass am & pm 90% of the time.
Tell me I havent got it wrong???
 
liveryblues said:
Hi Just wanted to double check the meat to bone ratio for raw? I switched to feeding raw about 6 months ago and after abit of trial & error! mine all now exsist pretty much on chicken carcasses. My butcher bones all his own chickens so I get t all for free :). They are peppered with bits of chicken legs, wing tips, thigh bones & skin. I also buy offal... giblets,necks and ox cheek, tounge, liver, heart which they get once every week or two.
So doing a bit of extra reading lately I find that the recommended bone should make up 10-20% of the diet, the rest being muscle meat( heart, liver,meat etc)
Mine al get a much higher proportion.... They all look very healthy, no constipation( dry-ish nougaty poo) they get a chicken carcass am & pm 90% of the time.
Tell me I havent got it wrong???
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Yes the recommended amount is 10-20% and i wouldn't be comfortable feeding more than that on a regular basis.

They also need much more than chicken. They need red meat.
You strart them on chicken then they should be introduced slowly to other and chicken will eventually make up maybe 1/3 of their diet.

Chicken is actually pretty low on the nutritional scale for dogs.
 
katielou said:
Yes you can feed bone every meal as long at its about the correct ratio of bone to meat. If they get to firm just down the bone content a bit.

It really is a by eye thing :)

Pork is to rich for mine the only pork product they get is feet occasionally.

Chicken, turkey and offal make up 99% of my dogs diet.

Lamb is sooo expensive here so they generally just get the recreational lamb bones once a month but no real meat.

*Chicken is one of the best meaty bones for all they key nutrients, it's easy to source, the bones are not to hard and it will be high in essential fatty acids and key amino acids, where some lean red meat's aren't as good. Basically a diet of mostly raw meaty bones (80% bone to meat) of chicken, lamb an occasional bit of pork, some offal once or twice a week and eggs provide everything a dog needs in abundance and in the correct ratios*.(another quote from a forum member)

So the above is incorrect?? I am really confused, some seem to say they feed 90+% of chicken, turkey as its cheap , others say red meat?? which is it :(
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It should be a mix of everything.
The above is incorrect to a point. I fed more chicken then I did then because I was going on what the main stream raw feeding stuff says.

Since I have been in school I have done a massive amount of research on where my dogs should be getting what from and the conclusion is that they need red meat.

They still don't get pork because they just don't like it. Lamb is to expensive.
The only thing I have added is cuts of beef and the occasional exotic meat.
They were already getting beef organs as I said above that includes tripe and tongue.
They also get venison when hunting season is here.
 
Basic ratio is 10:10:80, bone, offal, meat. I vary what I give, but two of my staples are green tripe and chicken, bone, meat, carcass. They don't really tolerate beef, but they get fish, pork, anything I can find, really.
 
One of the reasons we went Raw was because Salem (Utonagan x Inuit) always been itchy and had rashes to his armpits and belly.

The itching is much better in the last 5 weeks we have been raw - but the dark skin and rashes remain.

His armpits are itchy, not painful, but just raw meat today.

Now - he DID have his first professional Dog Wash on Wednesday, that is a different thing from routine.

Before I see the Vet about it, I'd like to do more dietery changes.

I know they need more oily fish in their diet. I'll be giving them tinned in tomato sauce for now.

Is there anything else I should do?

Are there any meats they should be avoiding? - at the moment they are on chicken, ox heart, pork belly and I've started kidney this week.
 
Five weeks is no time to recover from skin irritation - my fella still has blacky-blue areas from his last 'outbreak' which was over a year ago. He still has raw areas, one on his belly and under his armpits but they are calm, just don't know if the hair will ever come back, it is back everywhere else (he was bald from his chin right down his belly, inner arms and thighs :( )
 
Side effect of the Raw diet.....

Friend of mine was showing me pictures of her beloved hens....

Guess what my response was?????

OOpps!
 
Oberon said:
Side effect of the Raw diet.....

Friend of mine was showing me pictures of her beloved hens....

Guess what my response was?????

OOpps!
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Bad Oberon, naughty!

I'm exactly the same: a friend took on a rabbit because her friend no longer wanted it but it's a nightmare with her own rabbit. Guess what my offer was?! :o

I'm now obsessed with raw meat: had a very interesting conversation with the butcher who was offering pigs' heads for £5 while a family stood by gaping in shock. :D
 
cinammontoast said:
Bad Oberon, naughty!

I'm exactly the same: a friend took on a rabbit because her friend no longer wanted it but it's a nightmare with her own rabbit. Guess what my offer was?! :o

I'm now obsessed with raw meat: had a very interesting conversation with the butcher who was offering pigs' heads for £5 while a family stood by gaping in shock. :D
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£5 is expensive I know i get them for nothings but even my butcher does them at £1.50 each (£1 for half a pigs head as apparantly thats what most people buy!!!).


I too am obsessed always looking int he bargin bins at the shops and butchers.

Have to say I love the peoples reactions, Dylan greeted the post man with a pigs lungs and airway, luckily he thought it was great and said that his dog would be v v jealous.
 
LOL!

I hit the butcher at the right time today and managed to score 2kg bones for free.

They are happily chewing on a rib each and thoroughly enjoying themselves....

And this is the old girl who wouldn't chew anything a month ago.....

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So I'm into a routine of pork belly/shoulder, lamb breast but mostly ox heart.

Fish is in the form of tinned pilchards in tomato sauce (still not been brave enough to try fresh again).

Bones is whatever the butcher has got (except beef leg, obviously).

Liver is chicken livers, seared.

The problem I am having is finding the 5% of organs.

The butchers only have kidneys, which I've been using the least couple of weeks.

If I order from Durham Animal Feeds (the only ones who'll deliver to Blackpool), I can get pancreas and kidney.

Is this enough variety?

I'm stumped as to where I'd get lungs from??
 
Oberon said:
So I'm into a routine of pork belly/shoulder, lamb breast but mostly ox heart.

Bones is whatever the butcher has got (except beef leg, obviously).

Liver is chicken livers, seared.

I'm stumped as to where I'd get lungs from??
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I don't think lung is essential.

Pig kidney and liver is easily got from Morrisons, as is the ox heart.
 
I've been trying to post my links on here for a while.
Anyway i suggest looking at the orijen white paper (which i know is biased but has good info)
Does anyone have the book "raw meaty bones"? I lent mine out and it has a index of reserch papers in the back which is where most of my info came from. *looks into buying a new copy*
 
Bunnies I get are ferreted.

I find that I freeze them for a couple of weeks because of tapeworm, but if they are not frozen I just gut them first.


I do have to worm mine 3 monthly as they do eat minging stuff out on walks! And trust me seeing tapeworm hanging out your dogs butt, picking at it thinking what is that and then realising puts you off your tea for the evening.
 
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