Another reason to boycott Baileys...

[Goldenstar]

This isn't helpful at all. GS would make a super maxi cob judge if she wanted to - she doesn't want to see horses that fat. Whether the ID is a good example or not is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether it is obese (it was) and whether that contributed to its untimely death (it may have). It's even more irrelevant to whether it's acceptable to tie a horse's head down.

Play nicely, children.

Thank you I was playing nicely .

 

[ester]

Looks like someone is doing the rounds getting everything deleted...

Makes me so sad for the horses. There is outrage, then there is a cover up mission and in a weeks time it is all forgotten...

The vid on this thread still exists and I know a few people with screen recordings... ?

 

[JFTDWS]

Thank you I was playing nicely .

I know you were

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

What on earth are you talking about .
I can see a horses conformation thin or fat .
I fail to see why that’s ignorant .
He’s was a beautifully put together horse that does not change because he’s fat I would have bought him in a heartbeat .
Then put him on a two year diet .
I have condemned the size of the horse does not change the fact he was a beautiful example.
So why don’t you go and cool down a bit .
You are unnecessarily rude .

You clearly said it matters not a jot if a horse is emaciated or obese - well SORRY IMO and I am probably going to be VERY rude here yet again it does matter - hugely and it matters most of all in the showing world and if you cannot see that then clearly we are on two ends of the spectrum of horse abuse and acceptance of it.

This isn't helpful at all. GS would make a super maxi cob judge if she wanted to - she doesn't want to see horses that fat. Whether the ID is a good example or not is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether it is obese (it was) and whether that contributed to its untimely death (it may have). It's even more irrelevant to whether it's acceptable to tie a horse's head down.

Play nicely, children.

But how can you say it is not relevant to the question of the horse with the tied down head abuse? All abuse that is inflicted on ANY show horse is relevant - why do you think we should just discuss a very small part of it and totally ignore the fact the same person, sponsored by the same company, and has also has shown and succeeded and a very top level with a grossly overweight horse? of course it is relevant to the discussion?

 

[tristar]

another sick example of so called top producers, and its young so has no real muscle to hold that position without severe discomfort, its a very hard person who does that to a horse.

ponies and horses left in stables for hours with their head in that position, disgusting, and i have no respect for these idiots

 

[Goldenstar]

Condition matters not a jot to seeing a horses conformation .

 

[JFTDWS]

But how can you not say it is not relevant to the question of the horse with the tied down head abuse? All abuse that is inflicted on ANY show horse is relevant - why do you think we should just discuss a very small part of it and totally ignore the fact the same person, sponsored by the same company, and has also has shown and succeeded and a very top level with a grossly overweight horse? of course it is relevant to the discussion?

Are you even reading posts? The conformation of that horse, and whether or not it is a good example of the breed. That is irrelevant to whether it is acceptable to tie a horse's head down or not.

The fact that the grey is obese has been universally agreed by every poster who has commented on it - including GS. Heck, I mentioned the damn horse in the original post, so please don't preach its relevance to me.

 

[tristar]

that grey horse looks as if its been on steroids for sure, its obscene

 

[ester]

Condition matters not a jot to seeing a horses conformation .

exactly what I read GS.

 

[holeymoley]

Had a look at the business page and reviews with comments. Seems someone who appears to work for her is saying the horse can move his head freely. That person s going down comments defending the training and says 'our' horses are happier than your horses (maybe a teenage employee???).

If that was an employee then she may be better keeping quiet, as Lynne has done. People seem to think she is a groom. I don't know if that is true or not.

Not sure the comments about it being acceptable will help the business at all, I do think LR will have to issue some kind of apology, for the sponsors' business if nothing else.

dear oh dear, I’ve just read the fb comments from the groom...

 

[Red-1]

The poster of the screenshot has been threatened with police action by, I think, the individual you mean. Unjustifiably, of course, there is no basis for any claims of wrongdoing.

I am not sure about that. The video was posted on a public business page, but I think the person who took the video may still have copyright over the recording. I am not sure about that though.

I am surprised that Bailey's Horse Feeds have not yet had any reviews on their own FB page. I would suspect they will review the situation at 9am tomorrow.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

dear oh dear, I’ve just read the fb comments from the groom...

And... they are all gone.... deleter at work....

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Ok here we go again time for me to leave the thread - enjoy the ensuing 'discussion and lets all rest assured that so long as the horse is a good sort underneath the blubber and very questionable training then OF COURSE it deserves to win HOYs - yep under that criteria I do agree GS would make a wonderful MC judge You just have to love H&H debates!

 

[Red-1]

And... they are all gone.... deleter at work....

If it is a teenage employee then I hope they are all deleted. Hope she learns a life lesson without it being destructive to her long term.

 

[Red-1]

Ok here we go again time for me to leave the thread - enjoy the ensuing 'discussion and lets all rest assured that so long as the horse is a good sort underneath the blubber and very questionable training then OF COURSE it deserves to win HOYs - yep under that criteria I do agree GS would make a wonderful MC judge You just have to love H&H debates!

I am not sure GS has said she would have him win, especially whilst in that condition, just that he was a lovely ID under the blubber. Not sure she would have him win a Maxi Cob class at all, but I am sure she will be along to clarify for you.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I am not sure GS has said she would have him win, especially whilst in that condition, just that he was a lovely ID under the blubber. Not sure she would have him win a Maxi Cob class at all, but I am sure she will be along to clarify for you.

Oh I am sure she will too Unfortunatley I have more interesting things to do for now - will see her resposne at some point when boredom sets in again

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

If you have a name you can do what you like. Pretty much the same across the whole world in every sport.

sidereins are not evil, it’s how they are used same as everything else.

Excess condition can be used to hide faults. Yes basic confo won’t change much however popping extra weight on will hide some things which is what MJ was saying. Shame to like so much weight on and ID to make it something it’s not.

That video is horrendous. Poor cob but hey folk will do what they like with their horses regardless. Shame really

 

[JFTDWS]

I am not sure about that. The video was posted on a public business page, but I think the person who took the video may still have copyright over the recording. I am not sure about that though.

I am surprised that Bailey's Horse Feeds have not yet had any reviews on their own FB page. I would suspect they will review the situation at 9am tomorrow.

The screenshot is not the video though and I think that a screenshot of a public post is not considered to be covered by copyright in the same way as the screenshot of a shared image would be.

 

[Kaylum]

What is showing actually achieving anyway. A higher price for a horse if it wins a class? It's not improving the quality of the animals or giving them a better life. There are so many qualifiers to make money these days when you see an advert saying qualified for blah blah it doesn't impress. If there are 2 in a chaps class they will qualify whatever standard they are and have seen that happen.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

What is showing actually achieving anyway. A higher price for a horse if it wins a class? It's not improving the quality of the animals or giving them a better life. There are so many qualifiers to make money these days when you see an advert saying qualified for blah blah it doesn't impress. If there are 2 in a chaps class they will qualify whatever standard they are and have seen that happen.

sorry what are you questioning about showing?? Are you questioning the point of it? Or the methods or the trends of the winners?? Just curious

 

[JFTDWS]

lets all rest assured that so long as the horse is a good sort underneath the blubber and very questionable training then OF COURSE it deserves to win HOYs

Something literally nobody has said, again. Please read the thread and respond within the boundaries of the generally perceived reality, and not one of your own invention, thank you kindly.

 

[Red-1]

The screenshot is not the video though and I think that a screenshot of a public post is not considered to be covered by copyright in the same way as the screenshot of a shared image would be.

Ah, I thought it was the video that they were threatening action over. Many people have screen saved it on an iPhone (not that I have one of the, nor would I have the wherewithal to make it do that action- I am a dinosaur). Not that I am a copyright aficionado either. But, I would be careful when lifting other people's stuff from their pages to share. Sharing something using the share button is different. Screen shouting or screen lifting a video is something I would be wary of.

 

[AdorableAlice]

Condition matters not a jot to seeing a horses conformation .

If you know what conformation is !
I have had a lovely time picking out horses to view for a friend going to the Monart sales. A few stunners in the catalogue.

 

[Goldenstar]

You clearly said it matters not a jot if a horse is emaciated or obese - well SORRY IMO and I am probably going to be VERY rude here yet again it does matter - hugely and it matters most of all in the showing world and if you cannot see that then clearly we are on two ends of the spectrum of horse abuse and acceptance of it. :

You are simply wildly misreading what I posted .
You know full well I was saying conformation is correct or in correct condition fat or slim does not change it .

 

[JFTDWS]

Ah, I thought it was the video that they were threatening action over. Many people have screen saved it on an iPhone (not that I have one of the, nor would I have the wherewithal to make it do that action- I am a dinosaur). Not that I am a copyright aficionado either. But, I would be careful when lifting other people's stuff from their pages to share. Sharing something using the share button is different. Screen shouting or screen lifting a video is something I would be wary of.

It's one of the areas of developing law - but generally screenshotting a public post and sharing it is fairly acceptable provided there's no other legal infringements alongside it.

 

[Goldenstar]

If you know what conformation is !
I have had a lovely time picking out horses to view for a friend going to the Monart sales. A few stunners in the catalogue.

They always have some stunners with correspondingly stunning prices .

 

[Tiddlypom]

Jovian was forced to become so obese so that numptie judges could be fooled into thinking that he became a category of horse that he was not. He was a very good horse, but he was not a maxi cob.

A good judge can evaluate a horse whatever its body score, which is not at all the same thing as condoning extremes of body scores.

 

[ester]

If you post something on a public fb page I think it's hard to start jumping around legally about it.

Can I presume the grooms comment was along the lines of what the big lickers say 'but they have every whim catered for, they live a life of luxury' etc etc?

 

[Goldenstar]

that grey horse looks as if its been on steroids for sure, its obscene

It’s an Irish draught I think you could quite easily get one like that on good plain showing feeding .
I should know I three of them they take the term good doer to another level .
One is hunting two days a week on low energy haylege and that not even ad-lib .
He’s full of energy and looking very well I will see those ribs this season I am determined .

 

[ester]

It is easy to produce a show horse without abuse, not all owners are using inappropriate methods.

And that to me makes it ever sadder that methods like this persist right up to the top