Another reason to boycott Baileys...

[holeymoley]

The comments are still there...

Basically says that everyone else is stupid and the horse is working correctly

 

[ester]

good grief

 

[Tihamandturkey]

I'm so sickened by this.

How anyone can condone either the tying down of the cob in the OP (rollkur by any other name) or the disgusting obesity of the beautiful ID beggars all belief 😞

LR and all her sponsors should be held to account IMO

 

[AdorableAlice]

It’s an Irish draught I think you could quite easily get one like that on good plain showing feeding .
I should know I three of them they take the term good doer to another level .
One is hunting two days a week on low energy haylege and that not even ad-lib .
He’s full of energy and looking very well I will see those ribs this season I am determined .

My ID show horse keeps herself in show condition. No bucket feed required.

 

[Goldenstar]

My ID show horse keeps herself in show condition. No bucket feed required.
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fatty does that and goes under the two strands of electric fence on his side where there’s a wee dip in the ground .

 

[ecb89]

Another ID owner here, my horse could get fat off fresh air. Currently got suspected ulcers, no sign of weightloss though! However that grey is terribly obese

 

[Tihamandturkey]

My ID show horse keeps herself in show condition. No bucket feed required.
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😆

 

[FlyingCircus]

I wonder what it will take to make a difference. All her sponsors as well as the person in question seem to be ignoring the whole situation apart from deleting comments.

 

[AdorableAlice]

fatty does that and goes under the two strands of electric fence on his side where there’s a wee dip in the ground .

Poor Fatty, you are obviously starving him into such positions !

Back to the subject of cobs, there are many fat WH intermediate ponies stuffed to try to turn them into LW cobs nowadays. I prefer the HW classes, at least there are cobs in it, even if some are glorified cart horses.

 

[ester]

I wonder what it will take to make a difference. All her sponsors as well as the person in question seem to be ignoring the whole situation apart from deleting comments.

surprised there aren't more fb reviews as don't think they can remove them iirc.

 

[PapaverFollis]

Currently feeding my 16.2hh draught-ishthing about the same amounts as I'm feeding my 15.1h welsh-ish thing... guess which one is losing a bit of chub and which is probably actually gaining...

 

[Goldenstar]

Currently feeding my 16.2hh draught-ishthing about the same amounts as I'm feeding my 15.1h welsh-ish thing... guess which one is losing a bit of chub and which is probably actually gaining...

Well they did breed in thriftiness when they started to develop the ID .
They selected good doing mares because they worked and had foals .

 

[Shilasdair]

that grey horse looks as if its been on steroids for sure, its obscene

How rude.
One of mine lives her life on steroids and she's nowhere near that fat (I will admit she's a bit curvy at times though).

 

[ecb89]

Currently feeding my 16.2hh draught-ishthing about the same amounts as I'm feeding my 15.1h welsh-ish thing... guess which one is losing a bit of chub and which is probably actually gaining...

Just out of interest, what do you feed your ID?

 

[Mule]

Aside from the welfare issue with strapping a horses head down for extended periods of time, I don't understand what it's supposed to achieve. It won't work to train it to keep its head down as the horse gets pressure but no release. I'd imagine it would just cause sore/ pulled muscles.

 

[PapaverFollis]

Just out of interest, what do you feed your ID?

Weighed portions of soaked hay, grazing (restricted in summer), Topchop Zero for when she's scoffed everything and currently 1/4 Stubbs scoop fast fibre with some supplements in. Was Speedibeet but she went off it.

Basically not very much! She's still fatter than I'd like.

 

[Goldenstar]

They amaze me ID’s once mature they seem to be able to live on air .
I have had to accept you can’t feed them ad-lib forage and keep them slim looking unless they are working very hard .
You get a few easy years when they are maturing but once they top out you have to so careful .

 

[[139672]]

I cannot watch that video, chickened out. I worked in a showing and showjumping yard many years ago when 17. Had a jumper who hated water jumps. To cure this they used to jump him over them at home with an elastic band wound very tight around one ear. He jumped them at home, at shows he took one look at them and bolted out of the ring. Their top show horse they’d leave standing in a stable all day with 2-3 rugs on and the stable light on, in the hope that he wouldn’t start to lose his summer coat too soon. He used to stand there sweating and shuffling from one front foot to the other. They took in a small pony for a few weeks which was too fat and they said they could help. The head girl decided to literally starve him, with just water and a few tiny amounts of hay a few times a day and starved all night. After a few days he was so poorly they had to call the vet in. I lasted in that job 8 months, about 7 months, 3 weeks and 3 days too long!! 😡. Horrible family

 

[Goldenstar]

How rude.
One of mine lives her life on steroids and she's nowhere near that fat (I will admit she's a bit curvy at times though).

I don’t think Tristan was meaning to be rude , I think she was referring to the rumours you hear that some unscrupulous people bulk up show horses using steroids

 

[[139672]]

At the showing yard re my post above, I used to have to make a large bowl of homemade rice pudding everyday to feed to their show horses to fatten them up.

 

[BallyRoanBaubles]

I cannot watch that video, chickened out. I worked in a showing and showjumping yard many years ago when 17. Had a jumper who hated water jumps. To cure this they used to jump him over them at home with an elastic band wound very tight around one ear. He jumped them at home, at shows he took one look at them and bolted out of the ring. Their top show horse they’d leave standing in a stable all day with 2-3 rugs on and the stable light on, in the hope that he wouldn’t start to lose his summer coat too soon. He used to stand there sweating and shuffling from one front foot to the other. They took in a small pony for a few weeks which was too fat and they said they could help. The head girl decided to literally starve him, with just water and a few tiny amounts of hay a few times a day and starved all night. After a few days he was so poorly they had to call the vet in. I lasted in that job 8 months, about 7 months, 3 weeks and 3 days too long!! 😡. Horrible family

Out of interest what was the elastic band round the ear suppose to do?

 

[shortstuff99]

My old mare is the epitome of a LW show cob, and could (and did) a hard days hunting. If I was to take her out now would I even get a look in against these weird fat not cobs?

 

[[139672]]

Out of interest what was the elastic band round the ear suppose to do?

Distract him! I asked her about it but I didn’t say anything. I would react differently now but I was very young then and the whole family and head girl were very domineering. I feel guilty now thinking about it, if I’d complained I would have had to leave and would it have stopped them? No.

 

[HashRouge]

Ok here we go again time for me to leave the thread - enjoy the ensuing 'discussion and lets all rest assured that so long as the horse is a good sort underneath the blubber and very questionable training then OF COURSE it deserves to win HOYs - yep under that criteria I do agree GS would make a wonderful MC judge You just have to love H&H debates!

I think you've misread what she said. Her point (certainly how I and most other posters have read it) was that whether a horse is obese or emaciated, she can tell if it is well put together. I'll admit I did have to read it twice to get this - at first, like you, I thought she meant it didn't matter if a horse was fat or thin.

 

[Lurfy]

The tying of the head is just so backward and shameful. The fact the woman posted it and thought it appropriate speaks volumes about her. I wish she would give up horses and take up another hobby not involving animate objects.

The overweight horse is one of the fattest I have ever seen. RIP poor boy. Poor horses, both of them. Sometimes I despair at what some horses have to endure at the hands of so called civilized people

 

[twiggy2]

Ok here we go again time for me to leave the thread - enjoy the ensuing 'discussion and lets all rest assured that so long as the horse is a good sort underneath the blubber and very questionable training then OF COURSE it deserves to win HOYs - yep under that criteria I do agree GS would make a wonderful MC judge You just have to love H&H debates!

You are taking the comment by GS out of context, I have no idea if that's intentional or not. The horse is obscene and it's cruel I feel that's been agreed on by all, what GS said is the fat or lack of it does not prevent them from being able to see if the conformation of that horse is correct or not, that in turn allows them to picture in their mind what the horse would look like at th correct body weight

 

[Goldenstar]

Aside from the welfare issue with strapping a horses head down for extended periods of time, I don't understand what it's supposed to achieve. It won't work to train it to keep its head down as the horse gets pressure but no release. I'd imagine it would just cause sore/ pulled muscles.

It won’t build muscle but it will habituate the horse to carrying its head like that.
That’s not a good thing in classical training terms but it will do that .
Pressure on the mouth equals tuck in nose .
It’s not the same as using side reins to stretch the horse and encourage it to seek forwards that’s a long job.

 

[honetpot]

I have a maxi cob type IDX. When I bought him as a weaned foal he was weedy and if you did not know his breeding you wouldn’t look twice at him.He has lived on grass and hay, winters out no rugs, and now at three he is huge in all ways.
The feed companies do not care about horse welfare because their profits are made from people buying expensively bagged cereal most of which is not needed.
I have seen LR close up in the ring and she is a very professional performer, she almost dares the judges not to place her, and believe me everyone knows everyone in the line up, it’s a very small pond. It takes a strong team of judges to upset the order.
I can not imagine what possessed her or her team to post that clip, it not in my observation her, her normally carefully presented style. Unless it gets out further I doubt Baileys will care.

 

[Tiddlypom]

You are taking the comment by GS out of context, I have no idea if that's intentional or not. The horse is obscene and it's cruel I feel that's been agreed on by all, what GS said is the fat or lack of it does not prevent them from being able to see if the conformation of that horse is correct or not, that in turn allows them to picture in their mind what the horse would look like at th correct body weight

It’s just Mrs J going off on one of her random tirades. She does this from time to time. Maybe she needs to let off steam somewhere and HHO is where she does this.

It was clear to the rest of us that GS was as horrified as the rest of us at Jovian’s gross obesity. Here are some of GS’s earlier posts. Perhaps Mrs J didn’t read the full thread, though I suspect that she did.

Those photos are gross .
And should get the keeper of the horses a warning from the RSPCA that they are failing to provide correct nutrition not a sash from a show .

It was the most beautiful horse under all that fat .

I would like hope judges are more aware now that this gives showing a bad name .
Show horses should be carrying a lot of muscle more like a dressage horse than an eventer .
Some conformation flaws can be covered up by fat , ( although the horse in the pictures was a beauty ) so that’s one reason some horses get fattened up .
In Ireland they call it grubbing up that’s basically taking a perfectly normal three or four year old and stuffing it’s face with masses of food .
They grow too fast and damage their limbs it’s very sad .
I think it got be a fat arms race at one time I think ( hope ) there is more awareness now .
I was recently looking ( some of you can guess why ) at the guidelines for ID ridden classes and they clearly state that fat horses will be marked down .
Perhaps I will find out in the summer if they mean it .

 

[cundlegreen]

Aside from the welfare issue with strapping a horses head down for extended periods of time, I don't understand what it's supposed to achieve. It won't work to train it to keep its head down as the horse gets pressure but no release. I'd imagine it would just cause sore/ pulled muscles.

Also, how can it breathe?