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I wouldn’t call 5 miles out of area 
Another yard closure
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catkin
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In rural areas with very little public transport 5 miles can be as difficult to bridge as 500 miles depending upon circumstances. For example getting between certain villages round here, which are only a few miles apart can take hours by the infrequently-running public transport (into nearest town then back out).I wouldn’t call 5 miles out of area
ester
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Oh yes I’m used to no public transport between villages/town but I’m surprised that anyone would say a 5 mile radius was out of area when most people live significantly further away than that from their place of work
paddy555
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round here it is around 30 minutes travel, more in winter and the tourist season and needs a 4wd in winter.
however that is not the point. The point I was making was that ordinary people on an ordinary income (not necessarily locals) are unable to rent at all around here as everywhere is 2nd homes or holiday lets. That quite simply cannot be right.
Annagain
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There are of course differences between holiday lets (and I think there's also a difference between a converted barn / annexe attached to a permanent home and a stand alone house) and second homes - the former tend to be (but not always) occupied for larger chunks of the year and bring people to the area to spend money in local businesses while the latter tend to (again not always) stand empty for longer periods and their inhabitants make much less of a contribution to the local economy, simply because the same person returning to a house over and over is not going to do activities / visit restaurants etc as frequently as multiple people who spend a week each in it.
However, both have the effect of increasing house prices in an area and pricing locals out of the market. Locals are forced to moved further away and these holiday /second home hotspots end up as seasonal destinations. Local core businesses (shops/pubs/banks etc) suffer so employment opportunities in those are reduced and the issue is exacerbated because so many of the jobs that are brought to the area by holiday lets are seasonal and low paid. Then schools, GP surgeries, community centres etc close because there's no local population to use them and communities get decimated. This has the added effect in Wales of killing the language but that's a separate issue so I won't bang on about that again.
There are places in the UK (North Wales is the one I have particular knowledge of) where the average house price is 20 times the average salary - a lot of the houses in those places are holiday lets which do bring money into the area between April and September but they're ghost towns during the winter. Even if people could get a mortgage for that amount, they couldn't get one on a job that only pays for half the year - and rental properties are really scarce because it's more lucrative for an owner to rent it as a holiday let for 6 months a year than as a home all year round.
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catkin
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Something to remember when statistics on tourism are used - something like "20% of the local economy is tourism" is also 80% is not.....
PS always check the figures, the 20% figure bandied about last summer for SW was actually nearer 13%
PS always check the figures, the 20% figure bandied about last summer for SW was actually nearer 13%
ester
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30 mins travel using what mode of transport in summer?
I think mostly I was thinking I’d be well chuffed if I could afford to live only 5 miles from work
. So seemed like they were onto a good thing.Obviously I hail from the south west originally and I don’t really see anyway back from where we’ve landed with the housing market. I don’t live in the south west anymore due to lack of jobs in my field though I’d much rather be ‘home’
Goldenstar
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Rental is extremely difficult in the village I grew up in .
Although I do know several people in the village who rent I would have to say that’s a locals thing you get a rental because people know you.
Usually people live in holiday rentals the owners of which have given them a tenancy on .
Theres no easy of that the houses that are rented are a big business with providers of all types from the person with one to quite big companies .
Although I do know several people in the village who rent I would have to say that’s a locals thing you get a rental because people know you.
Usually people live in holiday rentals the owners of which have given them a tenancy on .
Theres no easy of that the houses that are rented are a big business with providers of all types from the person with one to quite big companies .
mariew
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Yup, the problem is 6 to 10 weeks in the summer gives someone a better rent than letting for a whole year to someone.
I don't object to locals being able to rent parts of their property out to make a living. or the properties with holiday only restrictions on them. It's the people who come in, pay fantasy money for a house they never have any intention of living in for any decent period of time. Or just let out a few weeks of the year. There are plenty of houses here where the owners use for 2 or 4 weeks of the year, the rest of the time they sit empty.
I don't know if it's possible to unwind though. Increasing council tax will do nothing for someone who has bought a 800k house in cash...
I don't object to locals being able to rent parts of their property out to make a living. or the properties with holiday only restrictions on them. It's the people who come in, pay fantasy money for a house they never have any intention of living in for any decent period of time. Or just let out a few weeks of the year. There are plenty of houses here where the owners use for 2 or 4 weeks of the year, the rest of the time they sit empty.
I don't know if it's possible to unwind though. Increasing council tax will do nothing for someone who has bought a 800k house in cash...
paddy555
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car because there is no other mode. The steep hills preclude cycling for many.
paddy555
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I'm not sure how to unwind it.
I agree about the ones who come and have no intention of living in it.
We have many of them. All very nice people, all arrive, terribly chatty, tell us how much they like the area and soon they will be coming down here to live permanently. Go away, property empty for much of the year and finally it is put up for sale again and the next one arrives and the same old story again.
ETA there are caravan sites that open for the holiday season. There are many "permanent" 2nd homes there where the caravans are removed for the winter (stored in the barn) and replaced in summer. That seems a pretty good idea. People can come down here each week end and for their hols but they are not taking up a much needed property.
LaurenBay
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I was there recently sharing. Been on that yard many years, lots of happy memories there. Lots of friends still there, and struggling to find somewhere else. A few oldies are being put to sleep and a couple of others have decided to sell. Very sad.
the church didn’t want to renew the lease as the price has risen too much. There are currently 3 houses already on the land so I am not sure if they have been given notice too
the church didn’t want to renew the lease as the price has risen too much. There are currently 3 houses already on the land so I am not sure if they have been given notice too
LaurenBay
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if you are on Facebook. Please join my page all things Horsey Harlow. I put a recent post up for liveries to advertise and there was quite a few responses. I may even know you, I was there sharing for years and years but my share Horse moved and I went with them. I was recently up there doing my best friends Horses (although she has just loved) Lottie and Lady if you know them.
SussexbytheXmasTree
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Where I live the villages are being swamped with new housing and nothing else. Not only have multiple stables and grazing land been built on but also other amenities including nurseries, a golf course and banger racing circuit neither of which I care for but many in the community did. We don’t have any extra health provision. The roads are grid-locked for example because of a couple of accidents a few weeks ago we were all trapped on our yard for 3-4 hours on a working week day and one person who left slightly before took 3 hours to travel less than 5 miles on local roads not motorways. Schools couldn’t fully open because teachers couldn’t get there even if the kids could.
One project to widen a small stretch of road has taken about 5 years so far it’s the local joke. In the meantime hundreds of homes have gone up seemingly without effort. A lot of those house buyers have moved from completely out of the county. I don’t blame them but the pressure on local services is immense.
One project to widen a small stretch of road has taken about 5 years so far it’s the local joke. In the meantime hundreds of homes have gone up seemingly without effort. A lot of those house buyers have moved from completely out of the county. I don’t blame them but the pressure on local services is immense.
mariew
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Sounds like where I used to live. An enormous bridge going up too by any chance? We left. Also any greenbelt is having big data centres, massive solar panel farms built. I'm glad we were able to move when we did
MNMyShiningStars
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Hey, yes we are on the page and have been looking at the responses. Most too far away to be practical or too expensive/full livery. Or have no facilities and we need a stable big enough for a 16.3hh and an arena.
I do know you and Lottie and Lady yes
I have been there with my sister since we were kids so it is going to be life changing end of era in our horsey world :-( x
Goldenstar
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six to ten weeks !!! The houses in the village I grew up in are rented all year round the most popular ones would rent every day of the year .
They have to take them off rental a week a year to decorate them and do stuff like that .
It’s quiet second half of January but it’s picking up now I am there most days to see what’s going on at the house renovation.
Annagain
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There was a programme on it on BBC Wales a few weeks ago because the Welsh Government has given LAs powers to impose up to a 300% levy on council tax on second homes. There was a second home owner complaining that he couldn't pay that much so he was selling up but he was angry because it has also reduced the value of his home as other second home buyers were thinking twice about buying in the area.
He was furious and said the Welsh Gov was really short sighted, they hadn't thought this extra charge would make people sell up so their legislation had unintended consequences they hadn't foreseen. He thought the point was to get more money out of him. He didn't get that the intention of the legislation was to make people think twice about buying. He seemed to think he was doing the area such a favour by spending "the Easter and Summer holidays" in this once thriving village and it was really going to miss him and his money for 8 weeks of the year.
My parents have just bought a little cottage that can only be used as a holiday chalet. It has a planning restriction on it that means nobody can stay there for more than 30 days consecutively. They were adamant they weren't going to take a home away from a local person. If a restriction can be put on to say something can only be used as a holiday cottage, I don't see why the reverse can't be true and there can't be planning restrictions on houses only being used as homes. If someone wants to use it either as a holiday let or second home they have to apply for a change of use, which they may or may not be granted depending on local conditions and the applicant's intentions for the home.
mariew
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They might be rented more, my point was they only need to let a house out during summer holidays and half terms to make more than they woul letting it full time to a local.
Hence we have lots of houses mostly rented in the summer and not available to locals. Some get rentals all year round but not many, especially not the ones that take a large amount of people. Fortunately we do still have yards around here though which is nice.
SantaVera
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And stop people buying them to live in them, shouldn't be allowed
ILuvCowparsely
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I just heard Mount Farm Stables is closing.
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Sealine
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It is sad to see all these yards closing. The DIY yard I'm on is a working farm owned by a non-horsey person in their 80s. It's very cheap for the area (Herts) and there is no yard manager. The owner is not really interested in the liveries and we have to manage ourselves. I've been here for nearly 20 years and the place is now getting run down but the turn out is good and my fellow liveries are lovely. I do wonder what will happen in the future when the owner hands it down to the family. I'm hoping this doesn't happen for a few years as I suspect a lot of people would have their older horses PTS due to the cost and availability of alternative livery yards.
stressederica33
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Harolds Park Farm livery yard has been told to close by 31st March. All 90 liveries are to find new homes for their horses. The tenant farmers have been told to leave too. There is a petition running to try to persuade Church of England to allow the livery yard to remain (I'll link below).
This livery yard is also a main event yard in Essex that runs qualifiers for shows like sunshine tour, trailblazer and TGCA and many more.
Harold's Park has produced professional GB riders and is a venue for the Pony Club.
No venue in Essex has the same facilities as Harolds Park Farm. We (the horse community) need to fight to keep it. Once it's lost that's it. The horse community (especially in Essex and Hertfordshire) will be seriously affected.
It would be much appreciated if we can gain everyone's support by signing the petition (below). Any support by companies or groups in (and out) of the horse the community would be gratefully received too.
We can't keep letting this happen to the industry.
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This livery yard is also a main event yard in Essex that runs qualifiers for shows like sunshine tour, trailblazer and TGCA and many more.
Harold's Park has produced professional GB riders and is a venue for the Pony Club.
No venue in Essex has the same facilities as Harolds Park Farm. We (the horse community) need to fight to keep it. Once it's lost that's it. The horse community (especially in Essex and Hertfordshire) will be seriously affected.
It would be much appreciated if we can gain everyone's support by signing the petition (below). Any support by companies or groups in (and out) of the horse the community would be gratefully received too.
We can't keep letting this happen to the industry.
Sign the Petition
Save affordable Equestrian facilities. 90 horses evicted by Church @ Harold’s Park, Essex
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Merlin Collonges
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Its all so very very sad, I used to be in High Beach and almost all the yards that way went for luxury housing. Its a very worrying time being an equestrian.
Merlin Collonges
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Its all very,very sad and worrying.
Merlin Collonges
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Must be incredibly stressful for you. Its awful.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Our local show centre and large livery yard, Patchetts, was sold for housing some years ago. It certainly isn't social housing. I couldn't afford to live there. Another local yard sold off a lot of land for housing and on the 23rd, there's a hearing to decide the fate of my old yard 
Meanwhile, any space available is being turned into flats, there are multiple cranes on my route to work, multi-story flats going up everywhere possible.
However, there are no new schools, doctors or other facilities being put in place. The traffic will be appalling. I can't wait to leave.
Meanwhile, any space available is being turned into flats, there are multiple cranes on my route to work, multi-story flats going up everywhere possible.
However, there are no new schools, doctors or other facilities being put in place. The traffic will be appalling. I can't wait to leave.
Merlin Collonges
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Its truly awful, I sometimes ride through Goffs Oak, and there's housing going up everywhere, apparently most of the new houses used to be stable yards, I really wished I could move completely away from London as its mot as van in other parts of the country, although I know it still happens.
maya2008
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Our local show centre and large livery yard, Patchetts, was sold for housing some years ago. It certainly isn't social housing. I couldn't afford to live there. Another local yard sold off a lot of land for housing and on the 23rd, there's a hearing to decide the fate of my old yard
Meanwhile, any space available is being turned into flats, there are multiple cranes on my route to work, multi-story flats going up everywhere possible.
However, there are no new schools, doctors or other facilities being put in place. The traffic will be appalling. I can't wait to leave.
That is exactly what happened to my old town. It doubled in size in a decade and no new provision was made. The one single road connecting both sides of town, that could be walked in 30mins, can now take double that in a car. At certain times of day you might as well walk as try to drive anywhere. We left. The small, quiet countryside town we had loved has changed into something unrecognisable.
