Dave's Mam
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I would have thought same. Young horse, end on a good note.
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I would have thought same. Young horse, end on a good note.
lannerch
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Googling fei yellow card makes very interesting reading , Tim price had a verbal warning too http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ...s-456837/RK=2/RS=B8WCzAmP2PmsL2T5x6LWv26bhpA-
Hary Meade ok years ago at burghley the year oli won on carousel quest was red carded and prevented from riding his other horse, now he certainly learnt from his mistake.
Hary Meade ok years ago at burghley the year oli won on carousel quest was red carded and prevented from riding his other horse, now he certainly learnt from his mistake.
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only_me
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That was 2014
Mule
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I had a look at the xc yellow card list. An American rider got one for jumping a 3* fence while riding a 1* course. Not a mistake I'd make
There's also stuff like not showing the horse's passport or the rider not having regulated safety equipment. A lot of the cards aren't anything to do with horse welfare. Although there are a lot for overuse of the whip and the most common is jumping after 3 refusals.
Also of interest is the percentage of 'abuse of horse' cards in showjumping is much higher than in endurance. Wouldn't have thought that judging from the press coverage.
There's also stuff like not showing the horse's passport or the rider not having regulated safety equipment. A lot of the cards aren't anything to do with horse welfare. Although there are a lot for overuse of the whip and the most common is jumping after 3 refusals.
Also of interest is the percentage of 'abuse of horse' cards in showjumping is much higher than in endurance. Wouldn't have thought that judging from the press coverage.
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lannerch
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I know and Harrys red card many before that, but they still happened.
Andrew Nicholson used to have a reputation for being hard on his horses, Jonelle price for riding dangerously fast at a fence.
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lannerch
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I think its becauce in endurance there have been those photos of horses with badly broken legs extreme abuse.I had a look at the xc yellow card list. An American rider got one for jumping a 3* fence while riding a 1* course. Not a mistake I'd make
There's also stuff like not showing the horse's passport or the rider not having regulated safety equipment. A lot of the cards aren't anything to do with horse welfare. Although there are a lot for overuse of the whip and the most common is jumping after 3 refusals.
Also of interest is the percentage of 'abuse of horse' cards in showjumping is much higher than in endurance. Wouldn't have thought that judging from the press coverage.
Added to that a lot more people show jump, so percentage wise its probably no greater.
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Mule
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Yes, that makes sense.
Velcrobum
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Andrew Nicholson was brutal with his horses, he has subsequently stated after the fall when he broke his neck that his riding had become softer and more sympathetic . Yes OT's riding was ugly waving the whip like a jockey and the commentators on Radio Badminton referred to as scrubbing along to ride a finish. There has certainly been a trial by social media that appears to be escalating into a witch hunt.
Mooseontheloose
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It's ridiculous. Ground jury has had their say. He's apologised. Why are people even going there now.
And calling AN brutal is fairly judgemental.
And calling AN brutal is fairly judgemental.
Mule
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The conversation on this thread hasn't been about OT in days. The last posts were about yellow cards.
Mooseontheloose
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So why start it up again?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Maybe some folk were late to the party and weren't aware that HHO had decided that the discussion was closed?
ihatework
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On the FEI sanction issue I find it disconcerting there are no disciplinary actions in dressage. Because that’s a squeaky clean sport ..... not.
ester
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It is always staggering when discussion forums get used for discussion.
IHW I was wondering if that was part of the issue with their not being many endurance ones too? I think stewarding has been questioned in the past for both sport. I wonder if it is also in part because 'continuing after 3 refusals/getting back on after you fell off' etc are all very clear cut non-arguable points in comparison to the non-jumping sports?
IHW I was wondering if that was part of the issue with their not being many endurance ones too? I think stewarding has been questioned in the past for both sport. I wonder if it is also in part because 'continuing after 3 refusals/getting back on after you fell off' etc are all very clear cut non-arguable points in comparison to the non-jumping sports?
fetlock
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Published a few minutes ago.
http://www.bhs.org.uk/our-charity/press-centre/news/2018/may/statement-on-oliver-townend
"Gemma Stanford, Director of Welfare at The British Horse Society said; The British Horse Society supports the horse and rider in all equine disciplines under the condition that the highest welfare and safety standards are adhered to at all times. The welfare of the horse should always be paramount. Riders at this level have an increased responsibility as they are role models and should also be setting an example for the next generation coming through our sport. The behaviour displayed by Oliver Townend was completely unacceptable. We strongly believe that the sanctions given to Mr Townend by the FEI were not high enough in this particular case. The British Horse Society will be raising these concerns to the FEI.
http://www.bhs.org.uk/our-charity/press-centre/news/2018/may/statement-on-oliver-townend
"Gemma Stanford, Director of Welfare at The British Horse Society said; The British Horse Society supports the horse and rider in all equine disciplines under the condition that the highest welfare and safety standards are adhered to at all times. The welfare of the horse should always be paramount. Riders at this level have an increased responsibility as they are role models and should also be setting an example for the next generation coming through our sport. The behaviour displayed by Oliver Townend was completely unacceptable. We strongly believe that the sanctions given to Mr Townend by the FEI were not high enough in this particular case. The British Horse Society will be raising these concerns to the FEI.
ihatework
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I suspect you are right - there isn’t a clear cut and easy way to define things like noseband tightness (yet) and how deep is too deep/rollkeur. It need brave direction from the top and the stewards backs fully covered.
Don’t get me started on endurance. If ever there was a more corrupt and abusive horse sport ....
caladria
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I'm not particularly convinced that any of the horse sports are really ready to be held up as a shining beacon of consistent stewarding... there seems to be an element of pot luck on XC as to whether the stewards care or not and certain days riders are sanctioned when perhaps on another day they wouldn't be.
fburton
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be positive
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Well that would eliminate the majority of dressage competitors, using the one finger test, from what I have seen, although that noseband is not the best fitting to use as an example in theory it should be simple enough to have a set maximum tightness measured where shown in the video.
ester
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I certainly wasn't suggesting there were any shining beacons!
fburton
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I believe you! For a relative outsider to this game (i.e. me!) can people explain why it wouldn't work in practice?
Mule
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I don't know why looser nosebands wouldn't work in dressage. The western riders don't use any at all. Despite them riding on a loose rein they ride with heavy reins and big curb bits with long shanks so I think they have a connection to the bit even if it doesn't look like it.
Mind, I'm not sure because I haven't ridden western
II'm also just learning dressage so there's tons I don't know about that aswell. My friend rides at gp though and she leaves nosebands pretty loose so tight nose bands mustn't be necessary:confused4: Mabey someone else can give us the answer
Sandstone1
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Give it a while and the OT fanclub will be saying that The Bhs dont know what they are talking about.
Mule
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Lol
TGM
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Interesting to see what sort of effect the BHS statement will have on his sponsors, some of which must be wavering a bit anyway. Surely you don't want to be seen to be supporting a rider who has been publically criticised by the national equestrian body?
Mule
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Mule
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I'd say if he hadn't apologised he'd be in trouble with his sponsors but the statement he released was good.
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ihatework
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Hence the yet! There are gauges out there but how they could/would be implemented would require some discussion. I can see it happening in the future, will be interesting to see how it goes with the Dutch(? Or whichever nation it is)
ihatework
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At the moment it needs ‘by in’. FEI, stewards, competitors. It will take a while for attitudes to change, not least because it will cause some ‘problems’ for horses already moving up the level whose riders are reliant on strapping the gobs shut tight.
A little bit like the showing world. The bulk of the population can see that the majority of show horses are obese, but until judging attitudes change then horses will continue to be in ‘show condition’