Ouch, imagine putting a deep freeze cream on broken skin.
The link I posted was to a peer reviewed study by Bowker et al rehabbing LIVE horses. Bowker himself owns horses which he trims to the protocols he recommends
Perhaps you (a DVM) and your esteemed colleagues could present a scientific paper in a peer reviewed journal validating your theories
You are incredibly funny and I had a smile as I sipped my coffee.
. I wonder if we can have a serious conversation now about about this trim group and discuss the science (if any) behind it. I certainly don’t want to learn in a vacuum and I’m happy to be corrected if I have said something that is wrong. That’s how we learn.You are incredibly funny and I had a smile as I sipped my coffee.
You have the energy of an atom bomb!
Very clever!
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It's obviously wrong and verging on irresponsible (from the owner of a horse that had symptomatic selenium deficiency, DESPITE being on a balancer (that didn't contain enough Selenium).
They lose me already because I haven’t found that at all. In fact in all my years of hoof geekiness HM would have been the people I put under that umbrella…
. I agree from the owner of a horse that collapsed on the ground with OH on top with severe vit e def. Despite being on a balancer although I realise levels of vit e in balancers are nothing to write home about.
There was discussion on this on MJ's another way FB page a few nights ago.
I did get to the end,Cont from previous post
Some facts:
* Shoes have always been a sticking plaster, not a solution. They mask problems, cause more damage long-term, and create dependency.
* Hoof issues are MAINLY caused by the person messing with the horse’s feet.
* Most owners aren’t educated enough about natural hoof care, leaving them vulnerable to the endless stream of bullshit in the industry.
The sad reality? The majority of the equine world doesn’t even understand what it means to follow Mother Nature’s design. Instead, they trim to angles, groove, cut, or manipulate hooves in ways that cause even more harm.
We hear people trying to discredit us everywhere on social media - and in their ‘arguments’ they completely misunderstand what we are doing, how we are doing it, and why we are doing it.
Their inability to interpret what we are doing, shows their lack of understanding of the hoof. It’s almost laughable reading the diatribe from our detractors who spin the most incredible nonsense about us - the lever forces nonsense, the DDFT nonsense, P3 being suspended in the capsule nonsense - and how HM need to be stopped.
Believe us, if you stop us, this world will go so deep into pathology, you will never find your way back out.
And the bullshit will forever continue.
Why does this keep happening?
Because the industry thrives on confusion - and the industry relies on it. When owners don’t know what’s right, they’ll believe anything - in fact you could say that for many hoof care ‘pros’ too.
They’ll blame the horse for having imbalances or cracks instead of looking at the bigger picture - looking at their trimming or shoeing. And owners just keep turning to the wrong people, hoping for a quick fix. The horses' hooves just keep getting messed with at every opportunity.
Owners confuse their HCP’s nice personality, years in the business and qualifications as a reflection of how good they must be - yet still their horses suffer.
Enough is enough.
How do we stop this cycle of bullshit and when will we start listening to the horse?
Well we are listening, when are you going to start?
Horses don’t need gimmicky trims that go completely against their natural biology - they need care that respects their natural design.
Horses need owners who are willing to educate themselves, step away from the noise, and trust in their horses' ability to heal and thrive when given the right conditions.
Healing from horrible destruction caused by inappropriate hoof care IS NOT PRETTY - if you want to make a pretty hoof from a pig’s ear then you need more knowledge.
Embrace healing - and every little ounce of hideousness that brings along. You took the horse down that pathological rabbit hole, don’t shout at us when we begin to heal it and it looks nasty. That’s the hoof trying desperately to find itself again. And showing you how bad it got.
HM are trying really hard to make you the owner aware of this terrible pumped up, chest out, bullshit. Those that say what we do is the bull, are the ones who have been on this pathological merry-go-round for their entire lives in the industry - and probably before.
If your HCP has been telling the world one thing forever, and we come along and tell you what they said is wrong - of course they are going to kick back at us... ask yourself why are they doing the kicking? Reputations are at stake, whether horses still suffer or not.
HM are attempting to cut through the nonsense and provide real solutions based on nature and natural science - not a paper written by a person who has ZERO knowledge about the natural foot.
It is totally possible - we’ve rehabbed thousands of hooves (without ever needing a nailed or glued on shoe, metal or not) because we trust the horse’s natural constants - and up until the last few years we only started using x-rays to show people our process and teach owners what to look for.
And to show people the x-rays that everyone asks for, you first have to teach those looking at them what they are seeing… so we did.
Those who we have taught and now know what they are looking at, are appallingly shocked at how duped you have been for decades. Including the vets that we have taught.
You don’t need an x-ray to trim a foot - you only need it to see the devastation inside caused by the hoof care pros you PAID to screw up your horse’s hooves. And it is irreversible damage when it involves bone degeneration.
The message is VERY simple - even though it may not be clear:
Stop complicating hoof care. Stop listening to self-proclaimed gurus with no long-term hard evidence to back their claims. Start observing the horse, understanding balance, and respecting the natural foot.
Or just stop listening to us and carry on letting those gurus mess with your minds, your wallets, and your horse’s feet.
It's your decision. If you think our workshops shouldn't be teaching owners the truth about the equine world and how to help horses... then you are most definitely worried that you might just have got it wrong, and that we might just expose you.
The equine world might be a mess drowning in the biggest pile ofyou’ve ever seen, but if you trust Mother Nature, together we can start making it better - one educated owner at a time.
We are bloody glad that when the owners of the world finally work it out, that we will be on the right side of history.
#NoMoreBullshit #HoofCareRevolution #NaturalHoofCare #ListenToTheHorse #HMWorkshops
HM.
Join our The Phoenix Way: Path 2 Hoof Health - if you can't get in and you were banned - we don't want yourin our group harming our members, messing with their minds and hurting their horses anymore. If you can get in, it will change you and your horse's life.
Be the change - not part of the problem. Because the problem is massive.
It must have been quite exhausting to write that lot. I'm not sure I would want someone who had written that near my horses.
The message is VERY simple - even though it may not be clear:
Stop complicating hoof care. Stop listening to self-proclaimed gurus with no long-term hard evidence to back their claims.
I agree from the owner of a horse that collapsed on the ground with OH on top with severe vit e def. Despite being on a balancer although I realise levels of vit e in balancers are nothing to write home about.
There was discussion on this on MJ's another way FB page a few nights ago.
It was discussing a foot (cannot remember what, something from Hoof studies above I think)) and the subject turned to supplements. Well HM's advocates had appeared before then on the trimming. They were adament only hay was required, There was a lady (experienced trimmer) who obviously had dealt with PSSM but the HM lot wouldn't budge. They apparently stuck to hay for 6 months and then considered if anything else required which it usually didn't.
Does anyone know if horses on that track livery are worked? or at least worked to any extent in which case deficiencies of se and E may show up.
If anyone is not on it then MJ's page is worth it. The HM lot appear, get batted back by a lot of professionals and still they argue. Their methods may be somewhat questionable but they are at least good amusement value.
I think it’s a HM tenet, all horses need is hay. And one big rehab track follows HM.
They are really describing themselves here
Righto!Literally the whole post could be written about themselves.
Also...'it's not a method, it's a 'way'.
The ferocity and constant screaming is getting worse! This has to be the best hysterical rant I’ve seen.Cont from previous post
Some facts:
* Shoes have always been a sticking plaster, not a solution. They mask problems, cause more damage long-term, and create dependency.
* Hoof issues are MAINLY caused by the person messing with the horse’s feet.
* Most owners aren’t educated enough about natural hoof care, leaving them vulnerable to the endless stream of bullshit in the industry.
The sad reality? The majority of the equine world doesn’t even understand what it means to follow Mother Nature’s design. Instead, they trim to angles, groove, cut, or manipulate hooves in ways that cause even more harm.
We hear people trying to discredit us everywhere on social media - and in their ‘arguments’ they completely misunderstand what we are doing, how we are doing it, and why we are doing it.
Their inability to interpret what we are doing, shows their lack of understanding of the hoof. It’s almost laughable reading the diatribe from our detractors who spin the most incredible nonsense about us - the lever forces nonsense, the DDFT nonsense, P3 being suspended in the capsule nonsense - and how HM need to be stopped.
Believe us, if you stop us, this world will go so deep into pathology, you will never find your way back out.
And the bullshit will forever continue.
Why does this keep happening?
Because the industry thrives on confusion - and the industry relies on it. When owners don’t know what’s right, they’ll believe anything - in fact you could say that for many hoof care ‘pros’ too.
They’ll blame the horse for having imbalances or cracks instead of looking at the bigger picture - looking at their trimming or shoeing. And owners just keep turning to the wrong people, hoping for a quick fix. The horses' hooves just keep getting messed with at every opportunity.
Owners confuse their HCP’s nice personality, years in the business and qualifications as a reflection of how good they must be - yet still their horses suffer.
Enough is enough.
How do we stop this cycle of bullshit and when will we start listening to the horse?
Well we are listening, when are you going to start?
Horses don’t need gimmicky trims that go completely against their natural biology - they need care that respects their natural design.
Horses need owners who are willing to educate themselves, step away from the noise, and trust in their horses' ability to heal and thrive when given the right conditions.
Healing from horrible destruction caused by inappropriate hoof care IS NOT PRETTY - if you want to make a pretty hoof from a pig’s ear then you need more knowledge.
Embrace healing - and every little ounce of hideousness that brings along. You took the horse down that pathological rabbit hole, don’t shout at us when we begin to heal it and it looks nasty. That’s the hoof trying desperately to find itself again. And showing you how bad it got.
HM are trying really hard to make you the owner aware of this terrible pumped up, chest out, bullshit. Those that say what we do is the bull, are the ones who have been on this pathological merry-go-round for their entire lives in the industry - and probably before.
If your HCP has been telling the world one thing forever, and we come along and tell you what they said is wrong - of course they are going to kick back at us... ask yourself why are they doing the kicking? Reputations are at stake, whether horses still suffer or not.
HM are attempting to cut through the nonsense and provide real solutions based on nature and natural science - not a paper written by a person who has ZERO knowledge about the natural foot.
It is totally possible - we’ve rehabbed thousands of hooves (without ever needing a nailed or glued on shoe, metal or not) because we trust the horse’s natural constants - and up until the last few years we only started using x-rays to show people our process and teach owners what to look for.
And to show people the x-rays that everyone asks for, you first have to teach those looking at them what they are seeing… so we did.
Those who we have taught and now know what they are looking at, are appallingly shocked at how duped you have been for decades. Including the vets that we have taught.
You don’t need an x-ray to trim a foot - you only need it to see the devastation inside caused by the hoof care pros you PAID to screw up your horse’s hooves. And it is irreversible damage when it involves bone degeneration.
The message is VERY simple - even though it may not be clear:
Stop complicating hoof care. Stop listening to self-proclaimed gurus with no long-term hard evidence to back their claims. Start observing the horse, understanding balance, and respecting the natural foot.
Or just stop listening to us and carry on letting those gurus mess with your minds, your wallets, and your horse’s feet.
It's your decision. If you think our workshops shouldn't be teaching owners the truth about the equine world and how to help horses... then you are most definitely worried that you might just have got it wrong, and that we might just expose you.
The equine world might be a mess drowning in the biggest pile ofyou’ve ever seen, but if you trust Mother Nature, together we can start making it better - one educated owner at a time.
We are bloody glad that when the owners of the world finally work it out, that we will be on the right side of history.
#NoMoreBullshit #HoofCareRevolution #NaturalHoofCare #ListenToTheHorse #HMWorkshops
HM.
Join our The Phoenix Way: Path 2 Hoof Health - if you can't get in and you were banned - we don't want yourin our group harming our members, messing with their minds and hurting their horses anymore. If you can get in, it will change you and your horse's life.
Be the change - not part of the problem. Because the problem is massive.
Owners taking trims into their own hands is simply not always an option.
Agree. Imagine that negative energy near you and your horse. Appalling.I did get to the end,
someone could more accurately have written that lot about HM probably with a lot more accuracy.
Like I said they are good amusement value. Sadly little else.
From reading that I learnt absolutely zero about feet, trimming them, rehabbing them, management of the horse or anything else. There was just no education whatsoever in that load of rubbish.
It does seem to be.
