barefoot, I am getting seriously worried.

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There was a woman posting on our local equestrian FB group last night; she is a "second year HMB Pro student, studying with HM International School of horse and hoof care....training to be a barefoot professional who specialise in whole horse health (diet, management and trimming)."

I was tempted to say something but then thought, probably best not. So far there's only one person asked for more details but I do worry that people hiring her (or anyone "trained" by these people) won't know anything about the "school" she's trained with.
 
Widgeon said:
There was a woman posting on our local equestrian FB group last night; she is a "second year HMB Pro student, studying with HM International School of horse and hoof care....training to be a barefoot professional who specialise in whole horse health (diet, management and trimming)."

I was tempted to say something but then thought, probably best not. So far there's only one person asked for more details but I do worry that people hiring her (or anyone "trained" by these people) won't know anything about the "school" she's trained with.
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How is this regulated, if at all? Could I start my own hoof trim school/brand with no need for any liscence or professional education?
 
Miss_Millie said:
How is this regulated, if at all? Could I start my own hoof trim school/brand with no need for any liscence or professional education?
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absolutely, onwards and upwards :D:D

The "Miss Millie method"

I'm not sure what regulation would achieve. Farriers are regulated and there is some very poor farriery work (and for balance poor BF trimming work) .

You (one) could complain to your farrier, take the matter to the reg. council about poor shoeing etc etc but I'm not sure it would get anywhere as in make that farrier correct his work or get him struck off.
So much of this (trimming and management) is about judgment.
 
Yes it's a good point - about the supposed regulation of farriery not actually being very good at holding poor work to account. However if a registered farrier was using a truly nutty method (thinking of the shape of the toes on some of those HMI feet) would they lose their registration? I would like to hope so.
 
Widgeon said:
Yes it's a good point - about the supposed regulation of farriery not actually being very good at holding poor work to account. However if a registered farrier was using a truly nutty method (thinking of the shape of the toes on some of those HMI feet) would they lose their registration? I would like to hope so.
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true however if you look at post 310 and the bottom left hand pic. That foot has a shoe on. The heels are perhaps not quite where one would like them. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

That is not the only shod foot that looks like that. How many lose their reg. for that sort of work?
 
Fieldlife said:
Definitely watching.

I am following the short as possible toe trimming method, for a normal horse, and trying to build / increase heel with the help of a good mainstream trimmer, which would seem to be the opposite of what they promote.

They do seem a bit mad.

But there case studies do also seem to show improvement.

And Graveney Equine: Horse Track System use their trimmers and seem to show consistent rehab success.
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I know this is an older thread but I just want to confirm that we don’t nor have we ever used HM at Graveney Equine. I am a trained trimmer myself and deal with all of our rehabs in-house
 
If the trimming is good the horse wil move better than before, and will carry itself in a different way


I have found supplements are an aid in the process, horse are big animals, they need a huge range of vits mins micro nutrients, they are the most difficult
Of all animals to care for



If the nutrition is right the hoof will grow horn that can support the shaping and trimming to get the optimum strength and weight bearing
 
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I saw this on my feed in the HM group but it quickly disappeared! I couldn't quite work out what was happening as the comments were rather hysterical.

I will preface this by saying i didnt get through all the comments before it disappeared but from what I could gather, HM or a HM trimmer have been reported to X (I dont know who) by a German official (again, I dont know who).

It was a rather odd post with a lot of hysteria but lacking in detail.

I'm guessing they won't be coming for Germany in June 2025! 🫣🤪
 

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It will be interesting to see how that pans out. More scrutiny is generally a good thing but it depends who's doing the scrutinizing and what agenda they may have. Hopefully the baby doesn't get washed out with the bathwater. But on the whole I think this has been a long time coming for HM and I'm pleased that their "method" is being questioned by authorities, if only to allow the complete novices, that don't know any different and get directed to them by numerous social media posts/chats, to see that they might not be the miracle cure they are looking for.
 
I totally don't get the long toe on HM laminitis horses however this is an interesting clip showing break over.

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I totally don't get the long toe on HM laminitis horses however this is an interesting clip showing break over.

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Thanks.

This is very informative and timely for me as I've just been to Rossdales with my horse who has been not quite right following a suspensory injury 2 years ago. He's never lame enough to nerve block and mri didn't show anything of significance. They believe that although the suspensory has, as far as you can tell on ultrasound, healed he's got scar tissue and it's getting tweaked every so often. He's now in remedial shoes to bring back the breakover as much as possible which I was sceptical would make a lot of difference but this has actually helped me make sense of what they are trying to do and why it might help. Interesting!
 
Made a bad mistake today, must have been the sun and too hot to ride. I ventured onto a site I try to keep well away from. I must try harder in future. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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the post is called paradigm shifts don't happen overnight.
 
paddy555 said:
by Hoofing Marvellous. If anyone is considering barefoot please be careful.

their view is that all vets, farriers, barefoot trimmers are wrong and only they are right. They are unqualified or at least they have their own training to qualify in their method. Dissent is not allowed.

we all know there are some poor vets, farriersand trimmers but surely the entire horse world dealing in feet cannot be wrong in their ideas most of which are very similar? of course not.

worst of all they are now a total cult and proud of it.
Sadly we have seen cults in barefoot before ie Strasser which caused a lot of problems.

In a cult the leader posts and the cult members agree. They have read the leader's posts and learnt how to repeat them. Many of them have never picked up a rasp let alone trimmed a foot. The simply don't have the info. to evaluate what the leader is telling them. They agree and the leader praises them for their comment so they feel good and agree some more.

Horses and their feet are individuals and need trimming on that basis not on a single trim being applied to every horse. What works for one isn't right for another.

The have the idea that rotation is not due to laminitis but poor trimming. Good trimming to them seems to be leaving the toe long and taking the heels right down, plus I think the bars.

They demonstrated that rotation was due to poor trimming simply by 3 xrays taken on 3 months. They don't seem to believe any other points such as diet,,work, medicine, PPID etc could be relevant. Even if they were correct any project to totally turn current veterinary and farriery knowledge completely on it's head would be massive, taking several years and hundreds of case studies and x rays on all sorts of feet and trims.

Trimming for laminitis appears to include leaving the toe alone. That means it can be anything up to 3/4 inches out in front per some of their pictures. To them leverage doesn't exist.

Simply if you don't trim their way and your horse gets lami it is your fault alone and you must take the blame.

Their posts are aggressive and harsh on this point. That doesn't help anyone with a problem.

Their recent posting showing rotation due to poor trimming based on 3 x rays had many comments from farriers, vets etc but many of these seem to have been removed. The farriers/vets made good points and talked sense. HM replies were bordering on ridiculous. They failed to address points and were very keen on criticising the professionals who, sadly, were not them.

They are boasting 8k followers now on their site. I suspect some of those are like me, watching, concerned but not posting in case we get banned.

I know many on here trim in more or less the same way and work on keeping the toes back but just on case someone is wondering then take care folks.
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Agree totally.
 
Landcruiser said:
Woah!!! Thanks for that Paddy! Now you made me look...blimey, it's absolutely toxic on that page! They seemed to have ramped it up since I last looked.
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yeah, it's getting pretty exciting since yesterday and the post about Ernie (which Mark Johnson brought to light) with his owner discrediting HM. Ernie's owner posted this on FB
NOT go near this crowd which can only be described as a money making cult led by a woman who is either
insane or menopausal. (Having been there myself i know it's sometimes difficult to tell the
difference

now HM were not having that and replied, all guns blazing. :D

I've long given up on their trimming, long toes etc all of which are beyond me. The cult aspect is however fascinating. Many of these followers commenting have no idea technically about the trim or much else but their leader is under attack.

I am struggling to work out if horses get lami from EMS or even PPID or diet or presumably anything else eg steroids. Or if EVERY single case of lami is poor trimming.


I did ask Gawsworth a question about one of their conclusions but sadly not forth coming.
 
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