Barefoot people - how is this OK?????

[amandap]

Don't go back to just reading. I am a bit gobby sometimes.

I don't jump myself but I believe horses cope fine on grass but do have some slippage problems when it's wet. My personal feeling is this isn't a negative as sliding stops joints being jarred. With studs causing a sudden stop when the momentum is still sending the horse in the direction it was going, quite a bit of jarring and force is put on limbs and joints.
I mightn't feel the same if I feel in a jumping fall though.

 

[Trot_On_Dressage]

Great thanks. As my name suggests I am more into dressage than jumping anyway but will be doing a bit of everything with him. Although I am an ai and owned horses for over 25years he is my first one that doesn't have shoes on so I've never been in this situation before! I guess as he is doing well without shoes I should just continue don't that route, at least until I come to any problems.

 

[cptrayes]

I was wondering how barefoot or unshod horses cope jumping on grass without shoes.

I was out hunting today on slippy hard ground on a barefoot horse. I have previously BE evented five horses, two to a height of 1m 15

I have never had a problem jumping barefoot horses on any type of going.

 

[cptrayes]

To repeatedly hear criticism of farriers as a profession by barefoot posters is unfair and inaccurate.
I have yet to hear an example of criticism of any barefoot trimmers work on anyones horse on here, are they all beyond reproach ?

It is neither unfair nor inaccurate for us to describe things that farriers did with our own horses and that we have accurate records happened with other people's. Please also bear in mind that in this thread we did not do so until a farrier told us that there were no sound bare feet trimmed by a trimmer, only those done by a farrier.

I don't know any barefoot trimmers' work, but of course they are not all brilliant, and I have seen trimmers and farriers and laymen criticise trimmers on this forum, and in this thread, so you haven't looked very far if you have never seen any.

There are good farriers and bad farriers. There are good trimmers and bad trimmers. There are good shoeing farriers who haven't got a clue how to trim a performance barefoot horse and will repeatedly trim sole callous even though it leaves the horse sore. There are good trimming farriers who haven't a clue about nutrition and go for shoes too soon. Thank goodness that in this country trimmers can't shoe, like unqualified people can in the US, Australia and other countries.

 

[A Guilding]

She's not bad looking though

 

[maggiesmum]

She's not bad looking though

ROFL

 

[Amaranta]

She's not bad looking though

You HAVE to be a bloke lol

I think she looks like Anthea Turner

 

[A Guilding]

You HAVE to be a bloke lol

I think she looks like Anthea Turner

Yep I wonder if an ordinary horse turned up to be trimmed if she would turn it down cos she was a high performance trimmer, or is she referring to the fact she is high performance? Any way im sure she keeps clients happy.

 

[amandaco2]

an angle grinder?!?! are they actually for real?

 

[cptrayes]

Yep I wonder if an ordinary horse turned up to be trimmed if she would turn it down cos she was a high performance trimmer, or is she referring to the fact she is high performance? Any way im sure she keeps clients happy.

She's a Pro AG, of course she does

 

[A Guilding]

She's a Pro AG, of course she does

I was thinking of offering her a position

 

[cptrayes]

I can imagine. I'd rather not, but I can

 

[tigerlily91]

This 'feedback' comment left me speechless

Arthur (Farrier Australia)

I’ve been reading books and books on Barefoot Trimming, but it wasn’t until I bought your eBook that I fully understood the trimming aspects and since applying your method to my barefoot horse, he has come on hugely! Thank you!

What the hell kind of farrier is he pretending to be???

Hmm think you got it the wrong way around... i think the author of that comment is:- "- Samantha Brown, Perth, Australia"

and if im right then this is the farrier comment;

Hi Sarah, The link arrived this time and,though it took a while, I have all of the document on my hdd. Thank you so much. I have already read much of the book and find it to be very well presented. I am a registered farrier and horse trainer and already practice all that I have read so far as should every farrier! The difference between me and other farriers is that I am an advocate for the horse not for horse shoes. I do put shoes on some few horses but that is for extreme conditions that we have here in Australia. Working horses here have to run over razor sharp basalt rocks in the pursuit of cattle and without shoes they tear off there feet – literally. Walking on this rock will shred the soles of your boots in about two days. The vast majority of my clients never put shoes on their horses but there are many others who do without realizing that there is another way. It costs more to put on shoes so almost all farriers recommend them, What a shock . Thanks again,

bit confusing but i think it makes more sense!!?

 

[Saluqihounds]

I'm sitting here having read through most this thread feeling really quite shocked by the extreme and over reaction to both the book and the use of power tools by people that have probably not even read it, no one is having their arm twisted to force them to use this book or power tool, there is no suggestion that a beginner should pick up an angle grinder, nor is it an idiots guide. If you don't like the idea of any of it then simply do not buy it.

The book is actually very good IMO, I contacted my nearest Trimmer about having my 2 year old Filly correctly Barefoot trimmed but she would not travel to me so I was left with the option of having to have her shod when the time comes or learn to trim myself. The book was a very good starting point for me in seeking the knowledge needed to barefoot trim myself.

 

[Littlelegs]

Saluqihounds- think you have just illustrated why barefoot people in general get so much undeserved grief. Only takes a few to ruin the reputation of all.

 

[tigerlily91]

I'm sitting here having read through most this thread feeling really quite shocked by the extreme and over reaction to both the book and the use of power tools by people that have probably not even read it, no one is having their arm twisted to force them to use this book or power tool, there is no suggestion that a beginner should pick up an angle grinder, nor is it an idiots guide. If you don't like the idea of any of it then simply do not buy it.

The book is actually very good IMO, I contacted my nearest Trimmer about having my 2 year old Filly correctly Barefoot trimmed but she would not travel to me so I was left with the option of having to have her shod when the time comes or learn to trim myself. The book was a very good starting point for me in seeking the knowledge needed to barefoot trim myself.

Well said........... whether youre for or against, its hard to critique something if you havent had first hand knowledge of it (ie read it) although it seems many many people have nooo problem doing just that……….

Not sure why they dont just buy the book -theres a 60 day money back offer so if its not for them then no loss really - infact they gain as they now have more knowledge - good or bad - then before.

It would be so nice to see people taking the time to find out more about things before giving their opinion about something they havent even got/read etc…!

 

[Meowy Catkin]

No, having spoken to someone who actually does trim cow hooves with an angle grinder - I can honestly say that advocating it's use on horses hooves is quite frankly idiotic.

 

[tigerlily91]

No, having spoken to someone who actually does trim cow hooves with an angle grinder - I can honestly say that advocating it's use on horses hooves is quite frankly idiotic.

i dont know much about tools etc but like anything in any 'kit' industry i suspect there are lots and lots of different types. im sure an angle grinder has many different options etc etc only a fool would use something that would hurt a horse PLUS only a stupid horse would hang around to let them be hurt.

think youre jumping the gun here really.... anyway from what ive seen of the preview the angle grinder is a chapter..... only about 1 tiny section in the entire thing.... doesnt look like its mandatory and if it were me i wouldnt do something i wasnt comfortable with either and im sure anyone else would do the same too..... so not really sure what the big deal is.

have you seen the movie video clips??!! doesnt exactly look like the horses are going ballistic...../?! but they do tell us when we do something wrong dont i know it!!!

 

[Littlelegs]

My horse has hooves. I've got access to power tools. Don't need to buy a book to realise having a go at home to combine the two is complete stupidity.

 

[ester]

I didn't think the issue with the angle grinder was its use per se, more the potential for things to go wrong if it slipped/horse moved unexpectedly etc.

 

[Ladydragon]

For the FIRST time ever, the complete Barefoot Trimming Guide for trimming Success.

Perhaps we can all also become fully knowledgeable podiatrists, chiropractors or even bricklayers by spending thirty quid on a book - instead of undertaking proper study and supervised practice...

 

[rhino]

only a fool would use something that would hurt a horse

Fully agree, unfortunately there is an abundance of fools in the horse world

PLUS only a stupid horse would hang around to let them be hurt.

It only takes a split second. Horses are flight animals after all

Dear oh dear

 

[tigerlily91]

My horse has hooves. I've got access to power tools. Don't need to buy a book to realise having a go at home to combine the two is complete stupidity.

if i may quote myself....:-

theres a 60 day money back offer so if its not for them then no loss really - infact they gain as they now have more knowledge - good or bad - then before.

not sure really how you can get so woundup over something you dont know about or have even given time to understand?? sure lets say you read it and still have the same opinion thats cool but you seem to be making an opinion on something you havent investigated on??

at the end of the day what you and i and anyone does is up to them but i usually like to find out about something before deciding not to do it,or doing it.

i.e.... i know drink ++ driving is bad and why so i dont do that, just like drugs or smoking etc but you do or do not do something based on an educated thought, right?? so why not find out before making a decision??

I didn't think the issue with the angle grinder was its use per se, more the potential for things to go wrong if it slipped/horse moved unexpectedly etc.

if it were me i wouldnt let an angle grinder near my horsey unless i had trained him to the noise etc just like water and clippers etc etc

http://sarahbellbarefoottrimming.com/videos/trimming-videos/ ....i watched those movie videos and they dont look like the horses are going crazzy do they?? i suspect theyve been trained to the noise like clippers etc etc and its not a big deal.

looks like she has someone there holding the horse // helping out as she gets rid of the angle grinder at times when she needs to readjust the horse or has finished with it...!??

anywayy...... i doubt anyone would use an angle grinder full stop until they were really really confident with themselves their horse and their trimming

so its kind of moot point....... if your a pro trimmer & want to trim with an angle grinder as you feel its up to your skill level or whatever then what does it matter??

from her buy page it just looks like shes saying her book would teach a beginner how to trim.... and there happens to be an option to also do that with an angle grinder?!?!

 

[cptrayes]

I didn't think the issue with the angle grinder was its use per se, more the potential for things to go wrong if it slipped/horse moved unexpectedly etc.

An angle grinder has a "dead man's handle", if the button is let go the tool stops. This is not true of a sharp knife and no-one has any problem with very, very sharp knives near horses feet and legs.

Clippers could take out a horse's eye easily and yet people still clip their horses heads, sometimes when they are very unhappy to have it done.

Dentist tools used for too long can overheat and kill the tooth, stopping it from growing and causing huge problems.

Bandages put on too tight can kill the tail or the skin on the legs.

An angle grinder fitted with an appropriate disk is no more than a power sander. No-one is talking about using them with a diamond tipped stone cutter disk. A power sander will give you more control than the professional rasps that I use, they are beasts and when new they will take off a quarter inch in one swipe if you do not know how to handle them.

No-one is lambasting Pete Ramey for producing a beginner's guide to trimming. Why not? There are people in the world, as I was in the beginning, who simply do not have access to a trained trimmer, and some not even to a farrier. If they need a book like this then they should be able to get one.

What a lot of fuss about nothing this thread is

 

[tigerlily91]

An angle grinder has a "dead man's handle", if the button is let go the tool stops. This is not true of a sharp knife and no-one has any problem with very, very sharp knives near horses feet and legs.

An angle grinder fitted with an appropriate disk is no more than a power sander. No-one is talking about using them with a diamond tipped stone cutter disk. A power sander will give you more control than the professional rasps that I use, they are beasts and will take off a quarter inch in one swipe if you do not know how to handle them.

No-one is lambasting Pete Ramey for producing a beginner's guide to trimming. Why not?

could not have put it better myself....... just because its a machine doesnt mean its terrible...

 

[Ceris Comet]

I'm sitting here having read through most this thread feeling really quite shocked by the extreme and over reaction to both the book and the use of power tools by people that have probably not even read it, no one is having their arm twisted to force them to use this book or power tool, there is no suggestion that a beginner should pick up an angle grinder, nor is it an idiots guide. If you don't like the idea of any of it then simply do not buy it.

The book is actually very good IMO, I contacted my nearest Trimmer about having my 2 year old Filly correctly Barefoot trimmed but she would not travel to me so I was left with the option of having to have her shod when the time comes or learn to trim myself. The book was a very good starting point for me in seeking the knowledge needed to barefoot trim myself.

So many " foals " on this thread !

 

[Littlelegs]

Tigerlily 91- I don't need to read her book, even if it contains a fountain of knowledge on the hoof, to realise its very very wrong to encourage people to try trimming feet at home. Agree I could get my money back, but there are plenty of books & articles that I could read instead & know I would benefit from so why not just read them? I also refuse to endorse her.

 

[Littlelegs]

Can't edit on phone but it should say learning to trim at home with powertools.

 

[cptrayes]

Tigerlily 91- I don't need to read her book, even if it contains a fountain of knowledge on the hoof, to realise its very very wrong to encourage people to try trimming feet at home. Agree I could get my money back, but there are plenty of books & articles that I could read instead & know I would benefit from so why not just read them? I also refuse to endorse her.

you don't have to buy the damned thing!

There are people in the wilds of America, Australia etc who have no farrier cover never mind trimmer cover. They need it. Stop being so insular, the UK is not the only place that people have horses needing foot care.

 

[Ceris Comet]

Silly Farriers !!!
What idiots they are ! Training for 5 years to care for horses feet when they could just buy a book and an angle grinder !