Barefoot people - how is this OK?????

Ceris Comet said:
Silly Farriers !!!
What idiots they are ! Training for 5 years to care for horses feet when they could just buy a book and an angle grinder :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:!
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Are you aware that this woman is not British and that in her country and others people can set up as farriers with no training whatsoever? Better they read this book than nothing :)
 
Cptrayes- can't edit on phone but it you see my last post I meant to say very very wrong to encourage people to have a go at trimming at home with a power tool. There is a world of difference in having an inexperienced but informed first attempt at trimming because needs must, & having a first attempt with an angle grinder.
 
littlelegs said:
Cptrayes- can't edit on phone but it you see my last post I meant to say very very wrong to encourage people to have a go at trimming at home with a power tool. There is a world of difference in having an inexperienced but informed first attempt at trimming because needs must, & having a first attempt with an angle grinder.
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This butcher of feet has to be stopped !!!!!!
For gods sake !
 
littlelegs said:
Cptrayes- can't edit on phone but it you see my last post I meant to say very very wrong to encourage people to have a go at trimming at home with a power tool. There is a world of difference in having an inexperienced but informed first attempt at trimming because needs must, & having a first attempt with an angle grinder.
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I haven't read it, so I can't comment on what the book is actually encouraging people to do.

But I have used an angle grinder (not on a horse) and a brand new professional rasp and professional hoof knife, and I know that if I was inexperienced I could do a lot more damage accidentally with the rasp or a very sharp knife, either to myself or the horse, than I could do with an angle grinder with the right disk on it.
 
cptrayes said:
I haven't read it, so I can't comment on what the book is actually encouraging people to do.

But I have used an angle grinder (not on a horse) and a brand new professional rasp and professional hoof knife, and I know that if I was inexperienced I could do a lot more damage accidentally with the rasp or a very sharp knife, either to myself or the horse, than I could do with an angle grinder with the right disk on it.
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Go for it girl ! With all that kit who needs a 5 year training programe ???? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Cptrayes- but its not just a safety issue, its much easier to accidently take off too much with a simple beginners error with an angle grinder than it is with a radox.
 
Ceris Comet said:
Go for it girl ! With all that kit who needs a 5 year training programe ???? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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You're a bit late sweetheart. I've already taken one horse that two farriers told me would never work barefoot to affiliated eventing, and another that the farrier and vets said could never be brought sound to hunting and National show winning fitness. Those are just the cripples, I've done a few others as well :)

As you say, who needs a 5 year training program?
 
littlelegs said:
Cptrayes- but its not just a safety issue, its much easier to accidently take off too much with a simple beginners error with an angle grinder than it is with a rasp
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I don't believe it is. Have you used a sharp professional's rasp - the £25 a time ones, not the catalogue ones? Have you used an angle grinder with a grinding/sanding disk on it?
 
Well the woman who wrote this book, which after all does contain a chapter showing novice trimmers how to use an angle grinder on a hoof, then suggests that the people buying it print it on paper with holes down the side, so that they can put it in a file! She obviously thinks at this point that she is writing for the hard of thinking :eek:
 
YorksG said:
Well the woman who wrote this book, which after all does contain a chapter showing novice trimmers how to use an angle grinder on a hoof, then suggests that the people buying it print it on paper with holes down the side, so that they can put it in a file! She obviously thinks at this point that she is writing for the hard of thinking :eek:
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Well, she is an American :D
 
cptrayes said:
I don't believe it is. Have you used a sharp professional's rasp - the £25 a time ones, not the catalogue ones? Have you used an angle grinder with a grinding/sanding disk on it?
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Strangely enough no !!!!
Silly me !! I would rather a person who has spent the last 20 years shoeing my horse ! BUT WAIT!!!!!!!! ....I could have a total toss pot who has spent two days in front of a dvd,,, Mmmmmm! who do i choose ?:rolleyes:
 
Cptrayes- I've only used a Rasp on a few occasions when I've asked the farrier if I can have a try with him directing. I'm reasonably strong but for me the fact it requires some physical input makes it harder to take of too much. Whereas its easy to go too far with something that doesn't require personal effort.
 
cptrayes said:
Are you aware that this woman is not British and that in her country and others people can set up as farriers with no training whatsoever? Better they read this book than nothing :)
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Err yes she is, she lives in Dorset this is from the website:

Sarah lives in Dorset, United Kingdom with her husband, Michael, and their 3 children, Olivia Bell, Rosanna Bell and Sasha Bell who are all educated at home. She also runs two other websites Traumeel Remedy and Successful Natural Horsecare. She is passionate about natural horsemanship, home education, skiing, watersking, fitness, health and gardening…!
 
There was one dissenting voice on the blog:



S.O.O November 4, 2011 at 10:33 pm #
Barefoot is one thing, angle grinding hooves is another.

I do not think you are a good representation of barefoot ‘trimming’ and i do not think you would be a good face to promote it.

Your method is even less sympathetic and even more potentially damaging than nails and shoes. Who on earth uses power tools to deal with hooves? Shocking.

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admin November 6, 2011 at 3:57 pm #
Dear SOO,

Here is a perfect example of someone passing an opinion on something they have no knowledge on…..

First of all they have not read High Performance Barefoot Trimming – yet they are commenting on my work. Second – if they had read High Performance Barefoot Trimming they would know that I explain how to trim using a rasp and kineves as well as an angle grinder…!

There is a choice you can use what ever you prefer and what ever tools you are comfortable with.

Thirdly – they say it is shocking to use an AG on a hoof. I am afraid they are showing again their lack of knowledge. It does create a superb trim if you use the correct discs.

If safety is their concern – which I fully respect. Like everything with horses, you train them. I.e you train them to go in traffic, you train them to be ridden etc. Again I go into detail as to how to do this in High Performance Barefoot Trimming.

The methods we use – is the Parelli training – which I cannot recommend more highly.

Sarah's reply sounds a little like Saliqihounds :cool:
 
Ah! Parelli training!
Presumably they catch them a 'good clunk' with the metal clip, a la Barney, if they are 'stupid' enough to move their feet whilst being trimmed with an angle grinder ;)

Sorry, that was sarcastic and probably childish and uncalled for.
What the heck! :D
Although I totally agree with cptrayes that it is possible to do GREAT damage with a sharp knife or new rasp (and sharp nippers!) if you are insufficiently trained.
I was taught, and supervised at first, to maintain my girls' feet between trims using an old rasp. Just a bit of gentle rolling. I am deemed responsible enough to rasp with a fairly new tool now :D Anything else I leave to a professional. If I needed to do more (ie if I lived 100's of miles from any farrier or trimmer) I don't know what I'd do, tbh, as I wouldn't be happy learning something this vital to my horse's welfare from a book.
Re Trot-on-Dressage's query about jumping barefoot horses - my little cob mare jumps local shows up to 1m 05, last summer we were in a class which was preceded by a sudden downpour, making the ground greasy on top, rock hard underneath. Many horses were jumping in studs and still slipping. Blaze jumped a lovely double clear, despite cornering like a motorbike :D (she gets a bit excited when jumping!) and didn't slip once. She was the only barefoot horse in the class.
 
tigerlily91 said:
if it were me i wouldnt let an angle grinder near my horsey unless i had trained him to the noise etc just like water and clippers etc etc

http://sarahbellbarefoottrimming.com/videos/trimming-videos/ ....i watched those movie videos and they dont look like the horses are going crazzy do they?? i suspect theyve been trained to the noise like clippers etc etc and its not a big deal.

looks like she has someone there holding the horse // helping out as she gets rid of the angle grinder at times when she needs to readjust the horse or has finished with it...!??
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I went to bed last night ;). I didn't mean the horses spooking at the angle grinder obviously we are able to train them to accept such things :). I was more thinking along the lines of pigeon in hedge scenarios :).

CP I have never had cause to use one so thanks for the note on the dead man handle, perhaps is its use for trimming that people object to then and it was just me thinking of an angle grinder on the loose!
 
Amaranta said:
Err yes she is, she lives in Dorset this is from the website:

Sarah lives in Dorset, United Kingdom with her husband, Michael, and their 3 children, Olivia Bell, Rosanna Bell and Sasha Bell who are all educated at home. She also runs two other websites Traumeel Remedy and Successful Natural Horsecare. She is passionate about natural horsemanship, home education, skiing, watersking, fitness, health and gardening…!
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Good grief! She writes just like the dumbest of dumb Americans :D

She's an eejit then, I completely agree. She shouldn't be promoting self trimming from a book in this country now that we have four good trimming organisations in operation and plenty of decent farriers too.
 
Theres a girl at my yard who does both her horses with an angle grinder :(

takes them to the top of the yard in the middle of everyone and starts doing it...sure it's very safe if one of hers or ours spooks and runs:eek:
 
What fun, I dont have an angle grinder, but, I have a chainsaw.
Will that be ok? Hope so, will pop home later and trim their feet. Lets face it, I will probably make a quicker job of it than using a silly little angle grinder.

Do you think she uses the angle grinder on her ski`s to make them go faster?

Off to text my farrier to tell him he is an eejit and not to darken my door again......
 
Guido 16, once you've mastered the chainsaw trim, you can order my book 'numpty guide to home shoeing' teaches you the basics of how to use a electric screw driver to attach shoes & an electric bread knife to finish off those odd bits of hoof left after you've shaped it to fit whichever size shoe you have to hand. Off to create a new account now so I can post a promotional post saying how great my book is.
 
littlelegs said:
Guido 16, once you've mastered the chainsaw trim, you can order my book 'numpty guide to home shoeing' teaches you the basics of how to use a electric screw driver to attach shoes & an electric bread knife to finish off those odd bits of hoof left after you've shaped it to fit whichever size shoe you have to hand. Off to create a new account now so I can post a promotional post saying how great my book is.
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Fantastic. I do have one of my horses shod so was considering using masking tape to secure the shoe in place. I reckon if I put the masking tape all the way up to the knee then its a master stroke. It was save me money on not just the farrier, but over reach boots, fetlock boots and knee boots!

I could then use the electric bread knife to remove the tape when I need to change the shoes! Genius
 
Just a little note about angle grinders to think about, yes the power stops when you let go, IF they are fitted with a deadmans switch (not all are including the one in her video), BUT the disc continues spinning for quite a while after the power is cut. Worth a thought about too :p
 
We regards to power tools on teeth, my horse had his tongue burnt from the dentist using them so they do cause issues.
 
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