BE - new rules for 2009

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I see BE have put the new rules for 2009 and new tests etc on the website.
Horses can now be downgraded so if they havent won any points in the last 3 seasons they can have all points removed and compete at intro level!!
I think it was better as it was before where that type of horse could only do the open section which makes it a much more level playing field!
There again, i think most of the things they have changed should have been left as they were before!
Any thoughts?
 
BE are making themselves more and more unpopular. Open sections will surely become less and less popular so they'll be driven out.
Can you downgrad any horse? Even an advanced horse?!!

Seems insane!!!

Off to look at new dressage tests
 
SOrry, im a bit dim when it comes to putting links up. GO to the home page and its under the title BE your organisation with todays date on it. Click on that and all the links come up on the right hand side of the page further down.
 
OMG - have just looked at the new Novice tests... that will be why there is a deal for BE-ers to get out doing some BD - they will need the practice!
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Leg yield at novice. Rubbish!
No travers at all in any tests (good for me!)

'20 Metre Circle Right Allowing the Horse to Stretch Down' in novice and intermediate tests
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And only 2 advanced tests- there's going to be some very bored advanced horses around!

Not sure about the idea of an AI test, seems a little uncessesary
 
Thanks a bunch!

Seems interesting. What I love is the phrase 'become more competitive'. I thought the point system was there to stop over qualified horses from ruining the competition for less experienced horses. (Badly phrased but I am sure you get the idea...)
 
Ok, read thge rule changes. Now off to find a 4* eventer that needs a quieter life that I can down grade to Intro (ooops BE90) and get to badminton BE90 champs with.

More so than ever it would seem money is going to talk, particularly at the lower levels.
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Ok, read thge rule changes. Now off to find a 4* eventer that needs a quieter life that I can down grade to Intro (ooops BE90) and get to badminton BE90 champs with.

More so than ever it would seem money is going to talk, particularly at the lower levels.
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I agree completly with YuleTimeFaulter. Would love to know the reasoning behind this rule change. Seems absolute madness to me
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That was exactly my thought. How many parents are going to go out and buy a retired advanced horse for their children and downgrade them so they can do intro and prenovice.?
BE are getting more and more stupid ideas from somewhere. It really is going to be a sport for the rich soon.
At least the unaff ODEs will benefit more from us mere mortals being unable to afford to compete at affiliated.
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Have only read whats on here - but leg yielding in a dressage test - I struggle with leg yieding just practising let alone in a test.

I do not like that you can down grade horses it is a poor/rich divide again...expanding again. Boo
 
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Have only read whats on here - but leg yielding in a dressage test - I struggle with leg yieding just practising let alone in a test.


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Imho, leg yielding is a pointless movement in a dressage test.
I'd rather see shoulder-in introduced earlier
 
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I do not like that you can down grade horses it is a poor/rich divide again...expanding again. Boo

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Agree the rich poor divide is getting bigger, as will the pro / am divide, with the dressage tests getting a bit tougher (needed) however the amature riders will find it harder to stay in touch after the first phase
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With prices up too, really not sure what to do next season
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Anyone wanting to do novice next year better get practising their dressage as already mentioned leg yielding, there is also counter canter and cantering down the centre line in the other tests!
 
I hate to say it but I too am now starting to question what do do next year. I could cope with the increase in fees - just, but I think the new rule about allowing horses with points to be down graded is totally unfair. The lower sections will now be full of pot hunters who just want to qualify for the championships at Badminton.

I am registered wity BSJA so might just stick to that - will save me a fortune and whats more, a least you actually get a chance to win some money back.
 
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Have only read whats on here - but leg yielding in a dressage test - I struggle with leg yieding just practising let alone in a test.


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Imho, leg yielding is a pointless movement in a dressage test.
I'd rather see shoulder-in introduced earlier

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Shoulder in sounds much better i can do that!!!!
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And only 2 advanced tests- there's going to be some very bored advanced horses around!


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I'm not sure about bored advanced horses (after all there aren't that many advanced runs) what about the bored Novice horses. Although there are 3 tests 1 is a 60m arena that just won't get used.
 
To me, at a very quick glance, the Intermediate tests don't look any worse than before, basically the same movements required. The novice tests show the most difference.

Essentially though with every level having only 3 tests, and one of those is 20x60 (Nov and Int at least) in practice you'll be riding the same 2 tests all season so it won't just be the Adv horses that are bored. At least they generally run fewer times and probably do more FEI/OIs etc. Your average Nov horse does only novice and runs far more often so they're the ones who'll be anticipating the movements.

The final centre line in canter will (I presume) involve a half 10m circle onto the centre line. That's going to take a horse with good balance (and studs!) at that level on grass.

Some homework to be done methinks!
 
VERY VERY stupid rules, the downgrading one is totally unfair but explains the apparent lack of open classes in the schedule.

Only 2 PN tests - 1 of which is long arena, and 2 PN champ tests
 
steve gg is quite right about tests in a long area. most organisers do not use them though i believe there has been the opportunity to do so before because of the space requiremnt. i am sure most of you are aware how close together most places have their arena.
i can think of three plces already where they will not be usng them because if they lose one arena, they lose one section and they all ballot substantially already.
BE of course are quite aware of this so this move is more to pander to the wishes of thoose who feel it is unfair to ask eventers to squash into a 40x20 because "the teats dont flow in a short arena" or other similarly lame excuse.
 
I haven't actually bothered to look at the Rules yet, just going on what's on here. Sounds like some weird decisions with, as usual, no consultation. Re harder Novice tests - one benefit may be that well-schooled "ordinary" horses may have a chance to do better against big-moving, green babies like those ridden by the pros at that level (like I said, I haven't actually checked out the tests themselves yet...) which would benefit so-called "grass roots" riders...
 
I've only just got to the intermediate tests and agree these don't seem much different. In fact on closer inspection 116 is the old 130 with an additional 10 markes for the transition to & from the first medium trot.
I hope that I don't have to do the long arena novice test (113) as it looks difficult to remember.
 
I think the long arena tests will only be used at the championships tbf... BUT with no champs last year maybe venues will use them? Think the Nov BE tests are now on much more of a level with BD novice...

DONT like the down grading. At all - IE someone other than FP could have bought Ballincoola and won the Intro rather than ON at Oasby.... Yet again it will all be down to money - the way pony racing went before the PRA was set up - my first race was 7 furlongs, against a £30k pony that was professionally trained with proper racehorses, had raced over 50 times including in Ireland, and was unbeaten in 36 races....Not a good comparison but you can see where Im coming from....
 
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I haven't actually bothered to look at the Rules yet, just going on what's on here. Sounds like some weird decisions with, as usual, no consultation. Re harder Novice tests - one benefit may be that well-schooled "ordinary" horses may have a chance to do better against big-moving, green babies like those ridden by the pros at that level (like I said, I haven't actually checked out the tests themselves yet...) which would benefit so-called "grass roots" riders...

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that would of course depend on the quality of the judging and until the judges get only a list of numbers andno advanced warning of which section they are doing (tho sometimes its obvious if one one starts a certain time) the 'pros' will always have an advantage.
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What can we expect for 2010 rules - down grading for riders as well so that BE can show equality for all?
Sorry to be cynical but I have a daughter, who like many of you works her socks off to pay for her sport. She has 2 jobs, one of which involves her being up at 4am. three or four times a week and off again in the evening then fitting the other job and riding in between. Also like many of you she was thrilled at the idea of attempting to qualify for the intro/ prenovice championships at Badminton. In one rule that all seems to go out of the window if you don't have rich parents or are funded by owners.
I have helped at BE events for many years but I am seriously considering whether I wish to assist what is becoming an elitist sport. If they lose members they will lose helpers too.
 
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