Black Caviar

Don't forget though, she would never have run on ground or at a testing course like this before. That would have made some difference. I also don't think the jock did enough (never mind dropping his hands) he didn't really push her as hard as he could have done imo
 
I thought Black Caviar had a funny way of going at the walk/trot but I am not knowledgeable either, she's a very bum high isn't she, but what a motor she has! I am sorry for Luke Nolan, it could happen to anyone, you can just feel his self loathing, poor guy.
 
Oh yes, she's certainly very talented! I rarely watch racing but I was curious to see her. Although I thought she looked lame, I just assumed it was her particular action (plus I don't spend a lot of time looking at race horses) and I presume if they had been concerned they would've done something or said something about it.

Congrats to the French horse in second as well. :-)

ETA: Didn't think about the risk of colic etc. associated with guzzling. Thanks for the info, learn something new everyday!
 
HollyWoozle said:
Didn't like them dragging her away from the water when she tried to have a second drink!
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You kind of have to regulate water intake straight after races as if you let them have too much too quickly then they can colic. She will be allowed as much water as she wants but in small amounts so it goes down and settles.
 
Maybe the jockey didn't push her as she didn't feel 100%?

If he'd pushed her harder and, IF, she is now lame ya'll would be saying a lot worse about the jockey.

Just being a devils advocate :p:rolleyes:
 
PolarSkye said:
Well, that was a bit of a letdown . . . she squeaked that . . . and I'm afraid it looked like jockey error to me.

Is it me, or does she have a really strange action in trot?

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To his credit, Nolan put his hands up and admitted that the mistake was his. Had he not been so humble, I'd have put it down to arrogance. Another three strides and BC would have been 2nd. I suspect that the jockey has learnt a lesson.

The mare isn't sound, and she looks to me, to be beyond exhaustion. A long flight, a strange climate, a new yard, they're all things that perhaps have knocked the poor girl about.

It isn't just you, and you're right, she almost paces!! She is a strange creature, remarkable though, for all that.

Alec.
 
What an amazing mare. So unfortunate that she wasn't ridden out properly at the finish but I think the jockey will regret that for a long time.

I just hope that wasn't the horse's last race as she definitely looked lame trotting up and down the stand afterwards. She most probably has never had to deal with ground like that before and that's possibly asking for a tendon injury, especially when maybe a little fatigued after the travelling. Lets hope she's ok - I'm sure she will be well looked after.
 
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Bright_Spark said:
Least happiest owner/ trainer of the winner I think I've seen.
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That's what I thought lol! I think they wanted her to do a Frankel (as it will now be known for ever after :p) and prove the doubters wrong once and for all.
I think she is a beautiful horse and there is no doubt that she's an absolute quality mare, but she didn't look unbeatable in that race. Of course, there was jockey error involved, but at least this shows that there might be a way past Black Caviar, which is reassuring for anyone considering racing their horse against her!
Will we ever see Frankel v Black Caviar, does anyone think? I have a vague idea they race over different distances but I'll be honest I'm not sure what these distances are or who races over a longer distance.
 
Hardly a Frankel style demolition job but she crossed the line in front so mission accomplished. And fair play to them for even bringing her to the UK in the first place :)
 
Hollywood said:
Those who have said it wasn't an impressive win need to realise she has travelled half way round the world - she has just raced with the cream of her class and won and has won inspite of jockey error - she doesnt look lame she's just had a race on stiffer ground than she's used to. No matter what anyone thinks of connections she is an awesome filly - credit where credit is due.
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Well she raced against horses lower rated than Frankel...they Aussies claim her to be better than him. Based in today's running she isn't. Yes she still won, yes she travelled from Australia but but equally UK & Irish horses travel all over the world racing too and win as well, she is not the only horse to do that bit. And she IS lame....very clearly could be seen to be lame. Full credit she did win...Up to now her tightest winning margin was three quarters of a length and that was back in 09. Since then it has been at least a length and a quarter and it was plainly visible on the trainers face that at first he thought he had been beaten. Lady luck was very much on their side, a split second more before luke rode again and she'd have been third.
 
HashRouge said:
Will we ever see Frankel v Black Caviar, does anyone think? I have a vague idea they race over different distances but I'll be honest I'm not sure what these distances are or who races over a longer distance.
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Goodwood had offered to whack up the prize fund to a million pounds for the Sussex Stakes at the Glorious meeting to tempt her owners to run against Frankel but they refused very quickly.

As an aside, if she found Ascot difficult, Goodwood would do her NO good in terms of track/course :)
 
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Um....less generalised Aussie bashing please! Uneccesary and smacks of sour grapes. So...connections are smug...so what?!! Please ditch the "our Frankel" and " their" BC. This is racing history and we are lucky to be able to watch some truly great racehorses, in our time. That has been lacking for a long time...
 
HashRouge said:
Will we ever see Frankel v Black Caviar, does anyone think? I have a vague idea they race over different distances but I'll be honest I'm not sure what these distances are or who races over a longer distance.
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Short answer- no. BC is a sprinter and Frankel is a miler who is probably going to step up to 10f.
 
I didn't watch the race, but sounds like she did cr@p!
Not worth the 30 hour flight she had to make to get here, for a 60 second run, then 30 more hours to get home :mad:
 
Buds_mum said:
Maybe the jockey didn't push her as she didn't feel 100%?

If he'd pushed her harder and, IF, she is now lame ya'll would be saying a lot worse about the jockey.

Just being a devils advocate :p:rolleyes:
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Hardly....if that was the case then he wouldn't have paraded her up and down in front of the stand!
 
Fair play to the mare. She is the true star. As much as the connections are annoying that mare is what it was all about and she did her job as best she could with what she was given to work with. After everything that she has gone through in the last few weeks - I take my hat off to her. Never before, and I doubt ever again will we see such a truly fantastic mare with such a big heart.

I would be surprised if she now did go on to Hong Kong as connections looked scared of how close everything got at the end. Even if they put it down to the travel et al she would be the same in Hong Kong.
 
Luci07 said:
Um....less generalised Aussie bashing please! Uneccesary and smacks of sour grapes. So...connections are smug...so what?!! Please ditch the "our Frankel" and " their" BC. This is racing history and we are lucky to be able to watch some truly great racehorses, in our time. That has been lacking for a long time...
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O well it is all "in the best possible taste", to be honest 10,000 Aussies went to Ascot Races, must be a real tourist event. A day to remember, for quite a few wrong reasons!!!!
Sprint horse are not middle distance runners, they can't run at a top level in the same race.
 
HashRouge said:
Will we ever see Frankel v Black Caviar, does anyone think? I have a vague idea they race over different distances but I'll be honest I'm not sure what these distances are or who races over a longer distance.
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I was wondering that myself. I'm sure Willie Carson said that wouldn't happen, but didn't explain why.

I hope Black Caviar is okay. Mind you, just heard that she wasn't 100% and might be retired.

Wonder if that win was a bit too close for comfort (cynical, me?)
 
Well it was disapointing not to see her do a Frankel but I'm glad she won. I have an Aussie passport too so not much racism please! Aussies are loud, its what they do. Good on them for bringing her over, jockey was a numpty but looked like he felt awful for it.
I think she does what we can a 'tranter' when they want to break into canter at trot and sort of juggle along.
 
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