Boggle- USA bound!

[Caol Ila]

Yeah, the small paddock one in Sedalia will probably do for winter while he is in rehab anyway and you don't want him in a big field.

But you definitely have options in the long run.

 

[PurBee]

I agree with @Red-1 - "guarded" translates as "cautiously optimistic but we can't commit to saying that". And that's good.

I agree too..considering the ferocious litigation culture of the US, vets there are likely to be very careful about what written prognosis they deliver, and likely try to remain non-committal.

You're an absolute trooper michen, boggle is the luckiest horse…a lovely update him being happy to be home.

 

[misst]

Great update. I'm a bit at the bills. But I know you are not going to stop now. Boggle is such a trooper and so are you. Whatever happens long term I hope you get plenty of time to enjoy each other xx

 

[Michen]

Honestly guys having spoken to the vet she was very straight with me. They really aren’t expecting a full recovery though she’d be delighted to be proven wrong. But she said not even something to hope for, maybe in the USA they use the word guarded when they mean hopeless

Not sure I’m happy with Bog this am, lots of teeth grinding. Could be because he’s just had about 4 different things syringe in his mouth but doesn’t seem to be stopped. He’s hungry though and annoyed at me!

 

[Michen]

Did decide to just let him go supervised in his turnout (I’m guarding fence line to stop him playing with the other horses) for a bit. I guess subjectively i must feel more confident in his balance because two days ago I wouldn’t have considered walking him up or down the hill to get there.

 

[meesha]

Poor Boggle, could he just be bit uncomfortable do to to all the meds ? Or ratty due to lots of steroids ?

I do always think annoyed or bored is a good sign though. Would a walk outside calm him?

Just seen you've turned him out,

 

[SEL]

Honestly guys having spoken to the vet she was very straight with me. They really aren’t expecting a full recovery though she’d be delighted to be proven wrong. But she said not even something to hope for, maybe in the USA they use the word guarded when they mean hopeless

Not sure I’m happy with Bog this am, lots of teeth grinding. Could be because he’s just had about 4 different things syringe in his mouth but doesn’t seem to be stopped. He’s hungry though and annoyed at me!

I think my vet used 'guarded' in that manner too in all honesty...... (currently a fat field pet)

Babycob grinds his teeth across the top of the door when he's bored or cross with me. No idea where he picked that habit up from but its a bit like finger nails down the blackboard in terms of making me squirm. I have to try and ignore him otherwise I'm just rewarding it. Bog at least has very good reason to be cross because he hasn't been well, he's been in hospital, he's now full of nasty tasting drugs with every single meal and he couldn't care less he's cost you a fortune and scared you witless!! But he's looking good in the field so onwards and upwards hopefully.

 

[Michen]

I agree too..considering the ferocious litigation culture of the US, vets there are likely to be very careful about what written prognosis they deliver, and likely try to remain non-committal.

You're an absolute trooper michen, boggle is the luckiest horse…a lovely update him being happy to be home.

Purbee here’s the only suspect thing I can find in his paddock.

 

[Michen]

Damn I know when the snow hits this will feel very different but it’s so serene here nestled in the forestry (and half of the problem because it remains so shaded).

It’s going to be hard, really hard to leave.

Still he has a couple of weeks here at least to enjoy. He’s mooching around sensibly and happily for now, will bring him in shortly. Maybe in a week he will seem better enough that he can go out unsupervised who knows.

 

[Sheep]

Such a gorgeous boy and so lovely to see him out.

Not sure if this is a) relevant, b) useful or c) just overload at this stage cos I know you have a LOT on your plate atm, but I saw Centaur Biomechanics have this webinar on which may or may not be of interest:

A Pain in the Neck - Cervical Dysfunction in Equine Athletes

A Pain in the Neck - Cervical Dysfunction in Equine Athletes

www.eventbrite.co.uk

Thought I’d share just in case.

 

[PurBee]

Purbee here’s the only suspect thing I can find in his paddock.



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If you were uk i’d say happily thats dock flower stem - branching seed head shape, stem thickness, and they dry-off red.
But as you are US, there could be others similar, and judging by the stalk on the ground showing some upper leaf still attached, it looks like it may be a type of amaranth wild plant - or of that family. (If it‘s not common dock - which is harmless to eat unless they eat loads)
Are the seeds flat and round like dock, or clusters of small balls?
Amaranth ball seeds can have a saponin content - which is very bitter to eat and puts most animals off. A fair amount would have to be eaten to make a large grazer ill with saponin toxicity. Gut issues mainly.
The leaf stuff is usually non-toxic of amaranth and can be foraged and eaten like spinach.

The pic is a bit blurry, but i dont think that is fern folded-up all dry and red is it? They have a stem similar as shown too. A clearer close-up would tell for sure. (The stem on the ground to the right shows long flat leaves at the top which fern doesnt have, ruling out fern, but a clearer pic would confirm for sure)

(if you take pics of plants, best put them on your knee so your camera will focus more sharply on plant details)

 

[Michen]

Working from the barn could be worse when this is the “tea room”. Would be so easy if there was good internet in this room but unfortunately it’s only by boggles stable (too noisy for calls etc). So have to drive down the road for those.

 

[DabDab]

Yeah that's pretty lush. How on earth do they keep it that clean?!

 

[Michen]

Yeah that's pretty lush. How on earth do they keep it that clean?!

The lack of mud in Colorado!!

 

[druid]

Can you believe it- we can’t get them here. Can get them all over Europe and even the Middle East but not the USA apparently- or at least the one that works.

Thank you! X

Wedgewood,BetPharm and NexGenRx used to compound it. I wonder is there a supply issue?

 

[DabDab]

The lack of mud in Colorado!!

What?! Really?! That's what no mud looks like?
Crikey.
Are wellies even a thing there or do people just walk around in trainers and smart shoes all the time?
My mind is blown

 

[Caol Ila]

Downside to lack of mud is that everything occasionally goes on fire.

 

[Michen]

What?! Really?! That's what no mud looks like?
Crikey.
Are wellies even a thing there or do people just walk around in trainers and smart shoes all the time?
My mind is blown

I have been back to the UK 3 times and finally just gave my le chameaus to a friend rather than bring them back, because I have zero use for them here.

It's either flip flops or snow boots!

 

[Michen]

Downside to lack of mud is that everything occasionally goes on fire.

Not this summer though thankfully

 

[Michen]

Arrrrrrgh Boggleeeeeeeee!!! I'm so aware that if things go south this could be his last few weeks so I'm trying to give him time in the paddock wherever I can so that he's not been stuck in a stall. 3 rolls...3! 2 on the steepest bit of the hill and one, his best yet, right next to the wooden fence because he saw a patch of dirt he thought looked perfect. Couldn't stop him in time, so he of course flipped over (right next to said fence) and kicked one of the wooden slats clean in half.

Got up normally each time though which I was very impressed with on a hill. FFS though Bog.

 

[Red-1]

Sounds like he is improving by the hour!

 

[splashgirl45]

He must be feeling better, he likes you to be on the edge

 

[teapot]

Hills are never a bad thing for a horse... just maybe bad for your blood pressure

 

[Michen]

Sounds like he is improving by the hour!

Yes I guess the rolling and getting up much better is a win actually. I think I’m just pretty exhausted and struggling to keep any positivity. I just want to see him be able to trot and canter and buck and that feels impossible at the moment. I KNOW I need to be patient it’s still less than a week in!

Curious with J, did he walk with his head low whilst he recovered? Obviously Bog has an usually high head carriage at the best of times, and his personality means it’s usually up and alert. Probably what created this mess in the first place. But leading him around and watching him his head position is much lower, I know one of the neuro tests is to elevate their head high then get them to walk so I guess it’s just them needing to lower it to work out where things are?

He has it at normal position in the stable.

 

[Red-1]

Yes I guess the rolling and getting up much better is a win actually. I think I’m just pretty exhausted and struggling to keep any positivity. I just want to see him be able to trot and canter and buck and that feels impossible at the moment. I KNOW I need to be patient it’s still less than a week in!

Curious with J, did he walk with his head low whilst he recovered? Obviously Bog has an usually high head carriage at the best of times, and his personality means it’s usually up and alert. Probably what created this mess in the first place. But leading him around and watching him his head position is much lower, I know one of the neuro tests is to elevate their head high then get them to walk so I guess it’s just them needing to lower it to work out where things are?

He has it at normal position in the stable.

No, mine looked beautiful all of the time, head as normal. It was just his legs wouldn't do their thing.

 

[Cragrat]

Arrrrrrgh Boggleeeeeeeee!!! I'm so aware that if things go south this could be his last few weeks so I'm trying to give him time in the paddock wherever I can so that he's not been stuck in a stall. 3 rolls...3! 2 on the steepest bit of the hill and one, his best yet, right next to the wooden fence because he saw a patch of dirt he thought looked perfect. Couldn't stop him in time, so he of course flipped over (right next to said fence) and kicked one of the wooden slats clean in half.

Got up normally each time though which I was very impressed with on a hill. FFS though Bog.

I am honestly gobsmacked that after less than a week he is rolling and getting up normally, and on hills! He really is fighter!

 

[Michen]

I am honestly gobsmacked that after less than a week he is rolling and getting up normally, and on hills! He really is fighter!

Hopefully it wasn't fluke. Thank you for reminding me that this is huge progress. I don't know why I'm so up and down, he just refused to eat one of his meds (crushed pills in some hard feed and it doesn't dissolve in water easily enough to syringe), and it sent me into a total spiral and meltdown!!

And such an easy solution, just popped to the shop and got bags of crated carrot and apple juice. Ate it right up.

Seems anything is enough to tip me over the edge right now, ha ha...

 

[meesha]

Lack of sleep ontop of everything will tip you over the edge so make sure you get decent kip!!

Sounds like he's doing great. You are bound to overthink everything, but he is responsible for his own actions, he's his own horse and to a certain extent you have to let him get on with it. (Says me after checking cameras every hour or more post compaction colic, also watching until horse got up after lying down...generally middle of night !!)

 

[Ceriann]

Given everything you’re dealing with it’s not at all surprising - so many things to contend with, more meds than a hospital ward to administer and a laser eye focus on any signs of improvement. It’s a lot to deal with. I quite often think animals have it right - they generally react to what they have to deal with in the moment. Bog’s maybe got the right idea with his 3 rolls!

 

[Lurfy]

Michen I think you are doing so well given all the stress you are under. Good you got the grated carrot and apple juice to get the pills down. As much as Bog is a fighter, so are you! He really looks like he is improving, fingers crossed he continues. He seems like such a character, hard not to love him .