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@Jasmine2023 unfortunately, the dealer is clearly not credible. The quality of the horses on there is dubious, although yours looks sweet. Spelling errors, online drama, immaturity in the content, unprofessional photos. This screams someone who is going to be a nightmare to deal with.

Whilst, in the ideal world, someone would take them to task and force them to comply with the law, that is going to take a substantial amount of stress and time, and possibly some money too. If you have mental and physical health problems, then I would seriously recommend thinking hard about whether this is a battle you're up for, where there are no guarantees of a positive outcome because the operation is clearly run on a shoe string and I doubt you'll get much back.

In the future, it's important to vet horses before they are purchased and definitely before they are moved, if you're planning to vet (which I would always recommend) because that way no accident or issue can arise between the time you've bought the horse and it's become ill or injured - and an unscrupulous seller couldn't claim it, even if the issue didn't occur in your care. And definitely try anything that is being bought based on temperament requirements yourself.

In this case, I'd probably look at getting a pro to come in and school him a bit, get him hacking, and then look for a more suitable home.

What area are you in? Perhaps someone here can help.
 
ycbm said:
Arrgh dammit is nobody else going to mention the elephant in the room here? You're forcing me to post!

Very pretty 8 year old straight legged cob dumped on the market for too little money.

If he doesn't have PSD I've got a series of hats lined up.

I'm so sorry Jasmine but please don't pass him on without checking this out.
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That is a good point too!
 
Another thing to consider is putting him on a calmer to help reduce anxiety and help him settle. He looks a sweet sort and deserves a chance.

https://www.premierperformance.uk/premier-calm works well ime though can take a few days to properly kick in. The calming cookies are good too.

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Might also be worth a shot.

What's he getting fed at the moment?
 
Jasmine2023 said:
I would like to point out a couple of things. Firstly I bought unseen as I don't travel well, I have health issues, and most horses for sale don't seem to be close enough for me to travel. Secondly I am not an expert and still learning. I relied on the yard owner to check out the ad and the videos of this horse and was told he looked nice. They are more experienced than me obviously. So I have been let down by them and the seller. I have a degenerative condition which means I might not be able to ride for as long as most people that's one reason why I wanted a horse to be good to go. So I am in a very depressed state and getting flack from some people here with no sympathy and understanding. I bought myself this horse out of money left me by my parents after they died. I have enough money to take care of a horse but not loads to be able to pay for training I never expected to have to do.
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I also feel for you OP. Everyone makes mistakes! But the fact remains that you now have a responsibility for this horse's wellbeing, surely you can appreciate that? His well being will not be served by sending him back to the dodgy dealer or selling him on to an unknown fate. Has he done anything to deserve that other than behave like a very distressed and unsettled horse?
 
HopOnTrot said:
If someone was selling cars, less than half their market value, low mileage, good working order etc etc you would run a mile. Not order one to be delivered without seeing it first.
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Everything about this just makes me so sad. Before we bought my new mare the seller was fending off buyers who wanted to just turn up with a trailer and take her away. She was realistically priced due to declared health issues and the vultures were circling desperate to profit from selling her on to some poor unsuspecting soul. These are sentient animals!!
 
He could have only recently been cut, who knows. What I would do is put a post on the trace my horse fb page and see what info you can find out about him. You might get some messages that will help you. You have to say you currently own the horse to get the post approved. Or get a friend to.
 
OP I am sorry you are feeling so down about this situation and appreciate 5k is a lot to lose. However I do feel you need to take some responsibility for the situation you are in.

As it stands legally you are entitled to a refund - getting it will be unlikely, these people are pros at ripping people off & avoiding consequences.

You could send him back & likely receive no money and exchange is not going to be suitable either.

You could market him very honestly and try & find a sympathetic person to take a punt on him as he is however, at the very least he should receive a full vet work up before this.

I think given how stressful you are finding this I would be asking for him to be turned out and left for a week or so to chill & you can reassess from there how you wish to market him.

Reading between the lines it sounds like he is on full livery? Another move is not in his best interests right now but turnout definitely needs to happen.

You have stated several times you don't wish to carry on owning him and that's fine and understandable but you do need to do right by him somehow.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
I am not a confident person and am now not trusting around this horse. I know people want me to work with him.
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He's not a confident horse, an he dosen't trust anyone around him. Also, he's in a strange place and is locked in a small room.

I don't think you have much choice but to work with him.
What sort of livery is he on?
How is he with a headcollar on? any less bargey?
What is he eating?
How long is quarrantine? how long has he been in the stable for?
 
nutjob said:
I've had one come through a stable door which was closed, bolted and with a kickover at the bottom. The top hinge ripped out of the wall and he just barged on through :rolleyes: .
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Embarrassing tale. I once sold a young mare that I'd recently backed and was going nicely.
I delivered her to her new home and when I got back home there was a message for me saying she'd jumped out of the stable and was running up the main street in the town with the police helping them try to recapture her.
Fortunately just a blip and she was OK after that.
 
Perhaps he had never been stabled before, some horses just burst out when the door is open, perhaps he has never been taught and given confidence when routine handling is needed, perhaps he was never taught how to lead sensibly and be controlled or even to just stand


I am on my first cob and bloxdy hell are they different, after a lifetime of refined creatures, whom I understand, suddenly here was this alien, twice as strong, and in the head, needs half as much food, who is larger than life, more dominating than most stallions, could be dangerous in the wrong hands I am sure, the power of cobs is shocking, but having said all that, ours really needs outlets for his energy, a different creature when turned out and worked , he adores attention and can be quite dominating but most this disapears when his natural urges to work and use himself are satisfied, perhaps it's because they are bred to work not be locked up and full of unexpended energy which comes out as frustration in challenging behaviour, they seem to be nervous in some circumstances and use their strength to challenge and go to is barging





I would get him turned out, give him a good lunging for a few days get him assessed by a decent rider
 
Click search forums at the top of the page and enter, " stuck, mis sold horse ", tick titles only box, tick search, when it brings the title up click red, then click page 6 look at #159 there Peter Natt has put a list of equine solicitors. If you decide on another horse NEVER NEVER use a vet the seller recommends always use your own or if your vet won't travel the distance make sure a nearer vet has NEVER done work for the seller.
 
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ycbm said:
Arrgh dammit is nobody else going to mention the elephant in the room here? You're forcing me to post!

Very pretty 8 year old straight legged cob dumped on the market for too little money.

If he doesn't have PSD I've got a series of hats lined up.

I'm so sorry Jasmine but please don't pass him on without checking this out.
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Theres no way he doesnt have a physical issue, I suspect more than one, the sales photo screams that never mind anything else. The YO really let OP down suggesting this horse was a good buy sadly.
 
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meandmyself said:
Based on the spelling and grammar alone I wouldn't buy a toy horse from them. It doesn't make them look very professional, and if they can't be arsed to pay attention to someone so basic, what else are they skipping?
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It's actually quite comical the way their stuff reads.

ETA: My comment seems flippant now that I have read more of this thread. I am very sorry, OP, that you are in this predicament.
 
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Please do not write the poor gelding off.

I have 2 Irish cobs, the first arrived many years ago and shut down completely, he was terrified but looked calm, he wasn't he was just shut down. The second arrived and threw himself around a bit, he was terrified as well, was just showing it in a different way. My young cob had been through so many dealers yards before he came, he was living on a knife edge emotionally.

I know it is really hard as you have to follow yard rules but the poor chap needs some turnout. I would also get some behavioural help and go from there. You and the vet need to be safe so you need a trainer to help.

I am really sorry as it is a horrible position for you to be in and for the horse too.

Edited to add: I think you are going to struggle to get your funds back unfortunately.
 
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The OP does not sound the type by temperament or experience to begin try to instil confidence and handling manners in this very unsettled cob. No criticism there, as he would currently be a challenge even for a more experienced handler. Some people are just not cut out to handle a tricky horse even if given training.

Those of us with our own land could chuck him out and see how he settles, but that is not an option for the OP. He needs calm, confident and consistent handling, not timid or rough handling.

She wanted and thought she was buying a steady calm horse. Red flags aplenty, but there are still many who buy unseen from these dodgy dealers without due diligence 😬.

With the yard seeming fairly useless - blocking a stable doorway with a wheelbarrow fgs, this does ramp up what happens to him now without anyone getting injured. He is very likely physically highly compromised- his stance is terrible.
 
You can take bad photos of any horse; presenting horses in their best light obviously isn't important to this dealer

Also cobs can act like complete thugs but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are thugs

The general feeling seems to be that the OP won't get her money back
I would like to think that with time, and the right help, she might end up with a horse that could do the job she bought him for, or at least a job that she'd be satisfied with
 
Lois Lame said:
It's actually quite comical the way their stuff reads.

ETA: My comment seems flippant now that I have read more of this thread. I am very sorry, OP, that you are in this predicament.
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I'm only now catching up on this thread, from Down Under, where we also have plenty of dodgy private sellers, and people who 'flip' horses.

But, yes .. 'Devine Cobs'. Just had a look, and [sigh], wish I hadn't. And hey, why is the rider (same person) in every sales pic, holding, not a whip, but a length of poly pipe?

On second thoughts, no, please, don't answer that. I know. Disreputable [excrable] people use plastic piping on horses because not only does it sting, it makes a weird noise. This might possibly explain a few things about Ozzy's tension.

Dear OP, you are between a rock and a hard place here, and I am sorry. Maybe someone out there, experienced behaviorist, would do you swap, with a truly quiet horse or pony so you could get some riding in.
 
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I hope you are ok OP.

Really hard for you to have to make a decision about what to do next.

I think you need a behavioural trainer to come to the yard and help first before your vet can assess him properly. Not sure where you are in the country but hopefully someone can recommend an appropriate trainer and go from there.
 
cauda equina said:
You can take bad photos of any horse; presenting horses in their best light obviously isn't important to this dealer

Also cobs can act like complete thugs but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are thugs

The general feeling seems to be that the OP won't get her money back
I would like to think that with time, and the right help, she might end up with a horse that could do the job she bought him for, or at least a job that she'd be satisfied with
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The OP has started several times now that she doesn't have the experience or want to work with him which is fine, her confidence has been knocked & by the sounds of it this horse needs consistent, calm handing which OP can't provide.
 
wills_91 said:
The OP has started several times now that she doesn't have the experience or want to work with him which is fine, her confidence has been knocked & by the sounds of it this horse needs consistent, calm handing which OP can't provide.
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Don't all horses need calm consistent handling?
That's why I said with the right help
A good trainer will train the handler at the same time as training the horse
 
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