Can we please do away with the term 'cubbing'?

[Jesstickle]

The differences being, of course, that cyclists don't kill animals and that cub hunting is illegal.

Plenty of the cyclists in Cambridge are highly illegal I assure you!

 

[cptrayes]

Even if they did make cycling illegal, I personally still wouldn't post nonsense I knew nothing about on a cycling forum!!

I so agree with you Jas. It's twenty and more years since I cub hunted with the Berkeley and I still haven't gone the foul taste of it out of my mouth

 

[Jas123]

Really? Why did you go then?
I don't take part in anything I dislike or disagree with.......

 

[cptrayes]

Really? Why did you go then?
I don't take part in anything I dislike or disagree with.......

Because I didn't know before I went - once - how utterly disgusting it would be. I left before the end.

 

[Jas123]

Well, each to their own, like I've said, it seems odd that people with anti-hunting views are posting on a hunting forum!!
As for killing animals, we all do surely to some extent? Even vegetarians kill vermin, rodents, even fleas on cats!!!!!!!

 

[cptrayes]

Well, each to their own, like I've said, it seems odd that people with anti-hunting views are posting on a hunting forum!!
As for killing animals, we all do surely to some extent? Even vegetarians kill vermin, rodents, even fleas on cats!!!!!!!

I hunt, just not wild animals. Its all about a clean kill for me, and when I was fox hunting with the Berkeley, Beaufort and Curre I came to realise that I could not support it any longer.

This is an open forum. I am sure that if you want criticism free discussion of hunting you can find a pro hunting board somewhere else.

JAS we have had a run in on a deleted thread previously about the new CDH and CBH packs. I think I have now placed you as the person who told me you went out with a Fox pack who I won't name last year and killed four foxes right off.

If so, you freely admitted to me on that occasion that you were happy to hunt completely illegally.

If that was not you, then I apologise that your clear pro- hunting stance made me mistake you for that person.

 

[Jas123]

There's many occasions when we've drag hunted and the hounds went after a real fox. Did you just choose not to notice?
Clean kill? What is that??
Well the tradition of hunting still exists whether people like it or not.

 

[cptrayes]

There's many occasions when we've drag hunted and the hounds went after a real fox. Did you just choose not to notice?
Clean kill? What is that??
Well the tradition of hunting still exists whether people like it or not.

I have never seen a situation out with you or any other time out with a drag pack when the hounds were not swiftly called off any live scent.

I would also remind you that because of my marvellous horse I am always right at the front and in a far better position than you were to know what the hounds were, and were not, chasing.

In five seasons consecutively and two previously I have never seen a drag pack chase, never mind catch, a fox.

 

[Shysmum]

I know our "local hunt" kill. The last time it was filmed and reported. How is that legal ? Hunting with dogs is NOT legal in the UK. I do not care what the majority of posters on here think, it was outlawed because it is cruel - who the hell gets kicks out of seeing a fox ripped apart ? And walks around with a fox tail on a belt, and raises hounds in his RDA stabling - and gets the "day care kids" to walk them. SICK. ( step forward an RDA centre owner not far from me in c. Durham). Perhaps RDA would like to contact me for more info ?

Control foxes by all means - with a clean shot from a gun !

I saw some horrific videos of a terrier man w****** off while he was training his pups to attack a cub. he was being investigated for badger baiting too. Guys, you have NO IDEA what terrier are up to !!! From that day till now, I see hunting as something evil.

 

[Jas123]

Lol!! And I wasn't always at the front???
Maybe you aren't as observant as you think then!!
I don't see why it matters one bit.

 

[Jesstickle]

Surely even dragging a fox has had to die. I'm assuming your runner still pulls a brush behind him/her?

 

[cptrayes]

Lol!! And I wasn't always at the front???
Maybe you aren't as observant as you think then!!
I don't see why it matters one bit.

Well if you were on your stocky barefoot fellow with the digestion problems you certainly weren't jumping six foot hedges with me and the Field Master, no.

And if you weren't that person, then you aren't who I think you are.

Why don't you just give up posting anonymously and stop hiding behind a user name, then we'll all know where we stand?

 

[cptrayes]

Surely even dragging a fox has had to die. I'm assuming your runner still pulls a brush behind him/her?

No no Jess!!! The drag bit refers to the sequins he wears on his tutu



In the inconceivable event that your post is serious, the runner or the scent laying horses use a manufactured scent, not a Fox brush

 

[Jesstickle]

You never know! I remember a new runner being given a stinking brush out of a carrier bag and looking utterly horrified. I think he thought the hounds would be able to follow his scent or summat. Poor boy!

 

[Orangehorse]

It isn't illegal to kill a fox, so it is quite possible for the drag to be bits of a dead one. I

 

[happyhunter123]

who the hell gets kicks out of seeing a fox ripped apart ?

NO ONE who follows hounds, for the simply fact that it isn't seen (happens under a bush, field are behind hounds, foot followers are even further behind). Half of days I've been out hunting I haven't even seen the quarry, let alone seen it being killed. Not seeing it does not detract necessarily from the quality of the day, indeed some of the best days I've ever had, the fox was not sighted once and it got away in the end.

The point of hunting with scenting hounds is to hunt a scent. If we wanted to see a fox 'ripped apart' we would go out with a pack of lurchers. If it was all about killing stuff, or satisfying bloodlust, we'd be perfectly fine with the Hunting Act as it still allows that, if you ask me using a bird of prey or shooting a running fox are much more violent! What it does not allow us to do is hunt the fox. I do not ride out hunting (though I do ride),and even if I did I would not go for the ride, I go to see hounds hunt and hounds work. That is what hunting IS, and there are a number of reasons why drag hunting can never be a proper replacement.

 

[Moomin1]

NO ONE who follows hounds, for the simply fact that it isn't seen (happens under a bush, field are behind hounds, foot followers are even further behind). Half of days I've been out hunting I haven't even seen the quarry, let alone seen it being killed. Not seeing it does not detract necessarily from the quality of the day, indeed some of the best days I've ever had, the fox was not sighted once and it got away in the end.

The point of hunting with scenting hounds is to hunt a scent. If we wanted to see a fox 'ripped apart' we would go out with a pack of lurchers. If it was all about killing stuff, or satisfying bloodlust, we'd be perfectly fine with the Hunting Act as it still allows that, if you ask me using a bird of prey or shooting a running fox are much more violent! What it does not allow us to do is hunt the fox. I do not ride out hunting (though I do ride),and even if I did I would not go for the ride, I go to see hounds hunt and hounds work. That is what hunting IS, and there are a number of reasons why drag hunting can never be a proper replacement.

Oh, well, that's ok then!! PMSL! How is it POSSIBLY as cruel if you don't SEE it!

 

[happyhunter123]

Oh, well, that's ok then!! PMSL! How is it POSSIBLY as cruel if you don't SEE it!

Hang on, that's a different issue. There are two sides to the hunting argument, the 'morality' side of what the antis call 'killing for sport' and the 'cruelty' side. I was talking about the reason why we go hunting- our motive. That's the morality side.

Shysmum said:

who the hell gets kicks out of seeing a fox ripped apart ?

I wasn't talking about whether the quarry suffers or not. I was talking about whether or not that was why we went hunting!

 

[Moomin1]

Hang on, that's a different issue. There are two sides to the hunting argument, the 'morality' side of what the antis call 'killing for sport' and the 'cruelty' side. I was talking about the reason why we go hunting- our motive. That's the morality side.

Shysmum said:


I wasn't talking about whether the quarry suffers or not. I was talking about whether or not that was why we went hunting!

Ok. So if you very rarely get to see the kill, how on earth can you possibly say it happens quickly?

 

[twiggy2]

for me the cruelty is not in the way the fox is killed but in the fact is is hunted and running for its life over what is often a prolonged period of time. the fear and exhaustion is the cruelty.

a good shot will take a fox out with no fear OR suffering

a lurcher will catch its quarry in a very short time frame

 

[Jesstickle]

for me the cruelty is not in the way the fox is killed but in the fact is is hunted and running for its life over what is often a prolonged period of time. the fear and exhaustion is the cruelty.

a good shot will take a fox out with no fear OR suffering

a lurcher will catch its quarry in a very short time frame

But we're talking about cub hunting where no one chases anything :confused3:

 

[Jesstickle]

Ok. So if you very rarely get to see the kill, how on earth can you possibly say it happens quickly?

Where to did the OP say it did?!

 

[EAST KENT]

for me the cruelty is not in the way the fox is killed but in the fact is is hunted and running for its life over what is often a prolonged period of time. the fear and exhaustion is the cruelty.

a good shot will take a fox out with no fear OR suffering

a lurcher will catch its quarry in a very short time frame

not quite so;my views on hunting changed radically when I found a cub of around four months being eaten alive by maggot after being shot in it`s rear end..that never happens with hounds.Foxes are only ever hunted CLOSE UP the once,so they have no preconception about death whatsoever.I would say 90% get clean away,good for them I say.Terrier work,ah,now there there is a quandary,the fox is "hunted" close up for a considerable time,so NO,don`t like that one bit.

 

[Elsbells]

I'm country born and bred but I don't like or agree to fox hunting at all, I was put off as a kid by the terrier men digging an old grey out of his den and throwing him to the waiting hounds. I was 8 years old and a seasoned blooded follower but that finished me off when I witnessed that and made me aware that a lot of things in life are so unfair.

I

 

[Patterdale]

I hunt, just not wild animals.

Er.....what!? Does that make it ok then? What point are you trying to make!?

 

[twiggy2]

NO ONE who follows hounds, for the simply fact that it isn't seen (happens under a bush, field are behind hounds, foot followers are even further behind). Half of days I've been out hunting I haven't even seen the quarry, let alone seen it being killed. Not seeing it does not detract necessarily from the quality of the day, indeed some of the best days I've ever had, the fox was not sighted once and it got away in the end.
If we wanted to see a fox 'ripped apart' we would go out with a pack of lurchers. If it was all about killing stuff, or satisfying bloodlust, we'd be perfectly fine with the Hunting Act as it still allows that, if you ask me using a bird of prey or shooting a running fox are much more violent!

sorry but it was in response tp this post

 

[twiggy2]

not quite so;my views on hunting changed radically when I found a cub of around four months being eaten alive by maggot after being shot in it`s rear end..that never happens with hounds.Foxes are only ever hunted CLOSE UP the once,so they have no preconception about death whatsoever.I would say 90% get clean away,good for them I say.Terrier work,ah,now there there is a quandary,the fox is "hunted" close up for a considerable time,so NO,don`t like that one bit.

i did say a good shot how anyone can be a bad shot on such a young fox and then not follow it to ground to end its suffering is beyond me

 

[AmyMay]

Where to did the OP say it did?!

Here:

I had expected that the title of this attract some of the rather more anti members of this forum, though a hunting debate wasn't my intention!

(I will add that I find nothing remotely 'vile' about the practice, it was effective in thinning out the fox population on a local level and the deaths of the 'cubs' (which are, in reality, half grown foxes, not little cute fluffy things) is very fast at the jaws of the hounds)

 

[Jesstickle]

Missed that!

Silly me. I've seen my lurcher kill things up close. It is bloody quick, can only assume the hounds are equally as fast!

 

[MerrySherryRider]

Oh dear, another attempt to sanitise hunting. Cubbing/autumn hunting is merely foreplay for the bloodthirsty.

No matter how much the hunt supporters shout, it will never be socially acceptable by the majority of Uk citizens, -both country and town dwellers.