stormox
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Was she riding or teaching in "the coaching session"?
CDJ withdrawn from paris
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Not slacking multitasking
It might not have even been on their yard
I’m also not sure we can still say she’s training ‘under’ Carl these days
I’m also not sure we can still say she’s training ‘under’ Carl these days
Sanversera
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Anyone got a link to the video, so we can see it and make our own minds up about what it's about.
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Not slacking multitasking
Can we stop starting new threads instead 
poor admin
poor admin
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
From Beeb sport.
Dujardin said the video was "filmed four years ago" and she was "devastated to have let everyone down".
BBC Sport has not seen the video in question and it is currently unclear what the nature of the investigation is.
Sources have told BBC Sport the video was submitted directly to the FEI.
Dujardin said the video was "filmed four years ago" and she was "devastated to have let everyone down".
BBC Sport has not seen the video in question and it is currently unclear what the nature of the investigation is.
Sources have told BBC Sport the video was submitted directly to the FEI.
JFTDWS
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Worthy of “breaking news” notifications from the BBC news app. My eyebrows didn’t even raise, that’s how surprised I am…
I’d drop equestrian from the Olympics (actually I’d lose all high level eq sport) in a heartbeat. People can’t be trusted with horses.
I’d drop equestrian from the Olympics (actually I’d lose all high level eq sport) in a heartbeat. People can’t be trusted with horses.
SkylarkAscending
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I think admin are trying to keep everything in one place so they can monitor the defamatory comments that have already been posted 
cauda equina
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That's what I was wondering - whether it related to possible mistreatment of a horse, or another rider
CanteringCarrot
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I just saw this and all I could say was, "holy sh*t"
What a shake up.
I'm not sure what the video depicted.
What a shake up.
I'm not sure what the video depicted.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Completely agree. Usually these "incidents" are not in the mainstream news, this is because of how decorated she is. Could this be the lighting of the touch paper?
indie1282
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Agree.
All too often horses suffer for ambition and entertainment.
I have seen CDJ at a demo with CH where the horse wasn’t quite getting what she asked ( although trying their best ) and CH said to stop and give the horse a break and she would not stop, he had to ask a further 3 times and the last time he had to almost stand in front of her to get her to stop . CDJ look furious…
I have also seen her riding a 5 year old in another demo where she cantered the horse with its head wrenched right in for 20min without giving it a break..
Her hands are like iron.
ownedbyaconnie
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H&H have limited comments on their article post on fb. Seems a bit biased!
Kat
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Her statement says the video doesn't reflect how she trains her horses or coaches her pupils. That sounds to me as though she was doing the coaching.
Crazy_cat_lady
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H&H fb turned off commenting? Why? Guessing libel? Of course people are going to want to discuss it.
I think this video needs to be shown, otherwise the speculation will escalate as to what this is
I think this video needs to be shown, otherwise the speculation will escalate as to what this is
ponynutz
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If there's an investigation, nobody's seen the video, and there's suspicion it's sabotage it might be they've been advised to or are playing it safe.
GSD Woman
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It sounds like this may be more than a one off. Otherwise, I would wonder why people can't make a mistake in the past and move on and do better?
Clodagh
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So bears dancing is cruelty but horses dancing is all lovely and kind? I imagine the training methods are often similar.
Crazy_cat_lady
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I know you can get all sorts of deep fakes etc now, but would you withdraw from the Olympics if you were absolutely certain the video definitely wasn't of you or you were sure the content wasn't bad....
MagicMelon
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I cant believe the comment on facebook saying its a horrific witch hunt etc. And feeling sorry for her. Ultimately she clearly did mess up in a serious way so she has to pay the price for that. Hopefully they release the video so we can judge. But people saying oh poor her... yet they have no idea what cruelty shes potentially caused
SkylarkAscending
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The video will not be shared officially until the independent objective investigation has been completed. It is not the responsibility of the general public to be judge jury and executioner on the basis of a video without the full details being known.
Of course it will leak out before then, that’s social media nowadays.
Of course it will leak out before then, that’s social media nowadays.
Sanversera
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I'm with you 100%
Squeak
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Regardless of whether CDJ is innocent or not you do wonder if there's a second investigation that is/ could be done as to sabotage? The timing is very very suspicious.
eahotson
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The Telegraph has more details.
Trickywooo
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People would do well remember the lessons learnt from Caroline Flack ..... apparently some are self appointment judge jury and executioner.
The Dressage Hub has been particularly vile about all this.
The Dressage Hub has been particularly vile about all this.
ihatework
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This sort of riding and training is unfortunately part and parcel of modern competitive dressage. End of. I’m not surprised that something has eventually surfaced on CDJ but quite honestly this is not about her in my eyes, it’s about the culture in the sport.
The release of this video now is most definitely a spiteful act designed for maximum embarrassment and impact, of that I have no doubt. If the person taking that video really did care about horse welfare it should have been made public at the time, rather than allowing a further 4 years without investigation/ change.
That said, if there is clear horse abuse (which from CDJ statement she certainly seems to be conceding something went on) then despite the timing, it needs to be investigated and it’s 100% on CDJ.
The release of this video now is most definitely a spiteful act designed for maximum embarrassment and impact, of that I have no doubt. If the person taking that video really did care about horse welfare it should have been made public at the time, rather than allowing a further 4 years without investigation/ change.
That said, if there is clear horse abuse (which from CDJ statement she certainly seems to be conceding something went on) then despite the timing, it needs to be investigated and it’s 100% on CDJ.
eahotson
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Further details in the Telegraph
Dave's Mam
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& it's not pleasant.
gunnergundog
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The Telegraph says the video shows her repeatedly hitting a horse on the legs 'during a slow motion trot'. Piaffe/Passage training? Have seen bamboo canes used by someone on the ground to tap the legs whilst horse under saddle when training such steps. I thought that was the norm to encourage the elevation, but guess it comes down to the force used??? Also, Spanish Riding School have deployed such methods for in=hand work.
SkylarkAscending
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If only I believed anything that rag reports….
(that’s a general comment on their level of “journalism” not what they are saying about this incident)Bruce17
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Horse and Hound article seems to have completely disappeared now??
Edit: ah no its back now
Edit: ah no its back now