Cheeky/ridiculous posts you see on Facebook.

[Hanno Verian]

They are seriously deluded if they think that HMRC would see that in any way as being a self-employed role

It is appalling that some employers still do this, they are screwing the employee out of annual leave, sick leave, pension and NI contributions. If your business doesn't make enough to pay staff fairly then you can't have staff, simple. Mind you, I have seen this sort of set-up offered quite a few times not by businesses but by rich families who want a groom, which is even worse IMO as the 'employer' isn't even trying to make a living, they just want the luxury of a servant on the cheap.

I've seen that too, a local family with a teenage daughter that evented at Junior GB level, made their groom who work all hours, and drive the horsebox to competitions, completely ignoring her driving hours/rest periods - they thought that grooming at the competition equated to rest!

 

[TheChestnutThing]

Isn’t 2* 1m 15 though? And presumably your friend brought that horse on themselves, so no proven record at 5yo.

The advertiser says 5yo+ yet specifies 1m40 as a height - what horses are jumping 1m40 courses at 5? Anything rising 5 now was 4 last year - jumping 1.10m in age classes, and even at 7 the age class is only 1.35m. So she needs an 8 year or over. So her age requirement is actually 8-10yo and she obviously wants a horse capable of placing because she has a ‘record’ up to 1m35. That’s a horse worth well over £10k!!

the advert (how I read it) does not specify jumping 1.40…it says capable. Most horses are capable, it’s if they have the talent…maybe this person has all the time in the world to look for something…

 

[Goldie's mum]

What!
On what planet did a nondescript 12h cob ever fetch 40 grand?!

"She only looks about 8 years old she's a real beauty she sold for £40k as a 2 year old then the market crashed and she sold for £15k about 8 years ago then I got her for £5k when the market hit rock bottom. She would make a great riding school pony with very little training, she is so quiet and well mannered"

 

[Dexter]

What!
On what planet did a nondescript 12h cob ever fetch 40 grand?!

"She only looks about 8 years old she's a real beauty she sold for £40k as a 2 year old then the market crashed and she sold for £15k about 8 years ago then I got her for £5k when the market hit rock bottom. She would make a great riding school pony with very little training, she is so quiet and well mannered"

They do in traveller circles.

 

[FinnishLapphund]

What!
On what planet did a nondescript 12h cob ever fetch 40 grand?!

"She only looks about 8 years old she's a real beauty she sold for £40k as a 2 year old then the market crashed and she sold for £15k about 8 years ago then I got her for £5k when the market hit rock bottom. She would make a great riding school pony with very little training, she is so quiet and well mannered"

If not in traveller circles as Dexter suggested, I'm guessing USA.

 

[Goldie's mum]

They do in traveller circles.

Crikey!

 

[Peglo]

available

[picture of cute pony/horse face]


that was it. Nothing More.

 

[Fransurrey]

Same as most animals - the smaller they are the longer they live.

Yep, unless you're talking different species, in which case Peto's Paradox applies.

 

[Snowfilly]

They do in traveller circles.

Especially mini cobs. Get a proper but very small traditional type between 11-12.2, lots of hair, short back, small neat head and high stepping movement with a nice colour and you can basically get a blank cheque.

 

[Widgeon]

Especially mini cobs. Get a proper but very small traditional type between 11-12.2, lots of hair, short back, small neat head and high stepping movement with a nice colour and you can basically get a blank cheque.

So if one rented a field and chucked a Welsh stallion and a bunch of hairy coloured mares into it.....

.....asking for a friend

 

[Gloi]

They do in traveller circles.

They say they do.

 

[conniegirl]

They do in traveller circles.

Only for money laundering purposes

 

[honetpot]

What!
On what planet did a nondescript 12h cob ever fetch 40 grand?!

"She only looks about 8 years old she's a real beauty she sold for £40k as a 2 year old then the market crashed and she sold for £15k about 8 years ago then I got her for £5k when the market hit rock bottom. She would make a great riding school pony with very little training, she is so quiet and well mannered"

I know high end traveller breeders, and they are breeding a particular type that can be kept easily, it's like buying a very smart car and parking it on your drive, and they do sell for a lot of money. It's a bit like breeding bulls, some are worth thousands, but some like mine will just end up on a plate.

 

[cauda equina]

Or being fly grazed, or seized by WHW

 

[Goldie's mum]

I know high end traveller breeders, and they are breeding a particular type that can be kept easily, it's like buying a very smart car and parking it on your drive, and they do sell for a lot of money. It's a bit like breeding bulls, some are worth thousands, but some like mine will just end up on a plate.

Sounds to me more like Scottish Blackface rams. They get in the headlines for selling for 5 figure sums. The people buying them all buy from each other so its the same money going round & round but you get to be able to say how much your tup is worth. On the other hand there are working tups for a few hundred.

 

[Goldie's mum]

They do in traveller circles.

And did the bottom really drop out of the market 8 years ago?

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Sounds to me more like Scottish Blackface rams. They get in the headlines for selling for 5 figure sums. The people buying them all buy from each other so its the same money going round & round but you get to be able to say how much your tup is worth. On the other hand there are working tups for a few hundred.

Thats what cracks me up about the sheep prices! It's just someone else gets to hold the money in their bank account that year. It will be moved on a space round the circle the next season

 

[Fieldlife]

Thats what cracks me up about the sheep prices! It's just someone else gets to hold the money in their bank account that year. It will be moved on a space round the circle the next season

What stops someone spending it all and not re-circulating it.

 

[Goldie's mum]

What stops someone spending it all and not re-circulating it.

They're not strangers. It's a narrow circle of people who know each other well. No one would dare!

 

[Dontforgetaboutme]

16.1hh horse with DSLD in both hinds and ulcers, that by poster’s own admission scares her in the field, offered as companion. Who is likely to take it on? Assume aggression is pain related

 

[SadKen]

16.1hh horse with DSLD in both hinds and ulcers, that by poster’s own admission scares her in the field, offered as companion. Who is likely to take it on? Assume aggression is pain related

Some crappy bin end dealers who will mistreat it, thrash it, drug it and ultimately sell it probably after the dealer merry go round to some naive fool who will buy it unseen without a vetting. And thus the circle will begin again.

PUT YOUR BROKEN HORSES TO SLEEP FOR PITY’S SAKE.

 

[Snowfilly]

16.1hh horse with DSLD in both hinds and ulcers, that by poster’s own admission scares her in the field, offered as companion. Who is likely to take it on? Assume aggression is pain related

Poor bloody horse.

 

[maya2008]

PUT YOUR BROKEN HORSES TO SLEEP FOR PITY’S SAKE.

The lack of people willing to do this is something vets and insurance companies definitely play a role in.

If I keep a horse all its life, then have it pts when it is old and no longer can be helped, my insurance for that horse’s replacement is higher. It doesn’t matter if the one who was pts was claimed for, or has ever had a claim, or was even ever insured.

If I make the decision to pts a horse where there are no more treatment options left, it surprises the vets…they are seemingly happy to tell me there is nothing I can do to help a horse whose spinal arthritis is impinging on their spinal cord and is falling over twice a day with attendant injuries, expecting me to just let her suffer until eventually she can no longer put her head down to eat. Well, I didn’t - I called the knackerman straight after the vet had left and a lovely kind man with a gun made sure she had a dignified end. I thought making that call was the obvious response to the diagnosis, but there you go…

 

[Fieldlife]

The lack of people willing to do this is something vets and insurance companies definitely play a role in.

If I keep a horse all its life, then have it pts when it is old and no longer can be helped, my insurance for that horse’s replacement is higher. It doesn’t matter if the one who was pts was claimed for, or has ever had a claim, or was even ever insured.

If I make the decision to pts a horse where there are no more treatment options left, it surprises the vets…they are seemingly happy to tell me there is nothing I can do to help a horse whose spinal arthritis is impinging on their spinal cord and is falling over twice a day with attendant injuries, expecting me to just let her suffer until eventually she can no longer put her head down to eat. Well, I didn’t - I called the knackerman straight after the vet had left and a lovely kind man with a gun made sure she had a dignified end. I thought making that call was the obvious response to the diagnosis, but there you go…

Don’t follow your logic. If I have a horse put down on welfare grounds, I’m pretty unlikely to meet the BEVA criteria to claim the loss on insurance. So it’s nothing to do with insurance and doesn’t have any impact on future insurance costs.

 

[Ambers Echo]

‘Welfare grounds’ is a very very high threshold. It goes not include unhappy horse with progressive conditions until the horse is experiencing unrelenting and severe distress. Way too late in my view

 

[Ambers Echo]

Sorry ignore me - I wasn’t following your logic! I thought you were saying insurance would cover her. But you are also saying they wouldn’t. It’s too early !

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I think the point being made is that when you insure a horse you will be asked if you have lost any previously and that goes against you.

 

[maya2008]

Don’t follow your logic. If I have a horse put down on welfare grounds, I’m pretty unlikely to meet the BEVA criteria to claim the loss on insurance. So it’s nothing to do with insurance and doesn’t have any impact on future insurance costs.

Well that’s what I thought, until I phoned up to insure the replacement and was asked the question ‘have you had any horses die or pts in the last five years, whether insured with us or not…’

 

[Fieldlife]

I think the point being made is that when you insure a horse you will be asked if you have lost any previously and that goes against you.

You are asked about past claims with other horses (sometimes) depends on insurer. You are not usually asked how many horses have been PTS or died in your ownership. So a PTS decision which doesn’t meet welfare BEVA conditions has no impact on future insurance. It’s not really an insurance risk factor either.

 

[Fieldlife]

Well that’s what I thought, until I phoned up to insure the replacement and was asked the question ‘have you had any horses die or pts in the last five years, whether insured with us or not…’

I don’t think that’s typical? Might just be one insurer? Or a prelude to asking if you’ve made a death claim ever?

Has anyone else ever been asked this?