Clwyd Davies hounded by 'Animal Extremists?'

ozpoz said:
I think it is very sad - all, of it - a depressed, unwell and failing to cope horse owner, his suffering livestock, the lack of real help offered to him by RSPCA or anyone else, and the scapegoating and lack of empathy shown by some on this thread.
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Would that be the 250 hours of help that the RSPCA gave him?
 
Ridiculous, I'm probably one of the "animal extremists" in which all I have done is not agree with him keeping his neglected horses.

Complete waste of money for the "vigil" (isn't that for the deceased anyway :confused: ) by holding it and roping the police into it. The same waste of police time and money as blackening mine and several others names by reporting us to CID, especially as I have no interest to travel 8hours in the night to jump out at someone :rolleyes:

Iv'e never wished harm on him, just justice for the poor animals suffering. I wholey do not agree with him being portrayed as some god like man, the cult following and the one reason he is being used, to get a new business venture out there. Disgraceful and disgusting of so called "friends" to use this as there gain.
 
ozpoz said:
I think it is very sad - all, of it - a depressed, unwell and failing to cope horse owner, his suffering livestock, the lack of real help offered to him by RSPCA or anyone else, and the scapegoating and lack of empathy shown by some on this thread.
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Crap

He had loads of help over a long period of time.

Don't you dare try to suggest he was left to deal with it alone. He caused it, he was helped to sort it, and didn't.

I am not lacking in empathy, but I am a realist. He knew what he was doing, as did the people setting up the " support " groups and taking money - where did that money go ? helping the horses ? I don't think so.
 
Where did the donated money go? Where didvthe money from the sale of some of his stock go?

And let's not forget that this isnt the first time horses have suffered at his hands.
 
tallyho! said:
You lot need your heads looking at for even reading it!!! LOL

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:D:D

Reading anything in that rag should carry a health warning as it's usually lies and can cause annoyance.

Anyone remember the "people are being arrested/thrown off buses for wearing England football shirts" stories the DM ran a few years ago? All later shown to be totally made up. :rolleyes:
 
doriangrey said:
I was agreeing that it was sad. Also I'm not a mental health specialist so I can't begin to speculate what/if anything was 'wrong' with the Clwyd Davies.
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Well I agree with you there. It is sad, but especially for the horse who suffered and died in his hands.

I don't know him, or why he lives as he does. He may be quite happy to live like that for all I know. I hope he's fine and living a contented life somewhere, as long as it doesn't involve keeping animals.
 
I look at it this way (rightly or wrongly and maybe way too simplistic), that nobody in their right mind would treat those poor horses that way. So as to all the help he was offered (and quite topical considering the RSPCA are getting some stick at the moment they found 250 hours to help this man) doesn't mean squat if he was unable to process it. As for people who jumped on the bandwagon - unforgivable.
 
What would you class as jumping on the bandwagon?
In all walks of life people won't agree with others, many people disagreed with how he kept his horses and how he was being made into a hero, but that doesn't mean I am some crazed loonie extremist.

I wholey agree the rspca did the right by taking the horses away, even reducing his numbers and worming them still didn't excuse the fact he did not have legally a place to keep the horses, I'm amazed this wasn't thought about before his next court date.

He clearly could not cope, for whatever reason, I am not a health expert so will not bring any MH issues up, as I am not able to judge but either way he could not cope with the horses or got the help to sort them out properly. Therefore no matter what, the horses should of been removed, so they could foal safely, colts cut, eliminating the poor mares being covered again and again and again and numbers getting straight back up.

Shame the friend didn't think of the poor dogs either.
 
Yes that photo of those poor dogs including a pup surrounded by a sea of mud was heart wrenching and how anyone could go by them day after day without doing something beats me.
 
I have to wonder why he was so 'terrified' by his nocturnal visitors when, allegedly, he was not averse to waving his (illegal) shotgun at strangers.

I was also interviewed by Wrexham CID and felt sorry for the DC allotted the massive time wasting job of phoning people who lived far too distant to be any sort of threat to Mr Davies.

I have said before, if his 'good friend' hadn't alerted him to the FB pages then he would not have been aware of them as he had no phone, power or internet access.... oh wait... his friend phoned him the morning he disappeared??

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve.
 
The whole situation has stunk from start to finish. And quite frankly the so called horse rescuer (dealer) involved is little better.
 
ozpoz said:
Amaranta, I don't know it for a fact. I just cannot imagine that anyone would/could live that way without there being some underlying reason.
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I think you will find the underlying reason for him living like that is because it is not his property. He broke into the farm and was squatting.

Not only did he break into the property, he then proceeded to turn it into a hovel.

The poor elderly gentleman that does own the property has been trying to get him evicted for years.
 
They forgot to add in that article according to support a stinger was laid down to cause his horses harm, all these stories are all to brand us the Truth as haters and animal extremists and them as the saviour of Clwyd.
 
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I'd be interested to know just what the people who are blaming the RSPCA for their actions would like to have seen done?

The RSPCA spent 240 hours over more than a year with Mr Davies, they issued 2 notices of improvement and allowed him time to make the necessary changes to the situation, only after that time had expired did they take him to court. At some stage they removed his most severely neglected/sick horses, judged to be at risk by a qualified Vet I presume.

He was also given 6 months to reduce his stock, and in that time only managed to reduce it by a few despite the efforts of the 'best friend' to help him, I believe the suggestion was that he should be left with about 10 older mares, he was WAY above that level and had young colts in the mix until the end...

Apparently the RSPCA had been involved with Mr Davies prior to this incident but he had vanished...

So just what do people think the RSPCA should do? How long should they work with someone to improve things before prosecution? How many hours should they spend trying to improve things? How much money?
 
Dobiegirl said:
They forgot to add in that article according to support a stinger was laid down to cause his horses harm, all these stories are all to brand us the Truth as haters and animal extremists and them as the saviour of Clwyd.
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And to me it's just a crappy pile of hearsay from both angles. I just hope that any animal involved has been taken care of.
 
doriangrey said:
What I don't like is people making assumptions about this man, because nobody knows what is going on in his head and what caused him to act like he did.
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To be honest, who cares whats going on in his head? At the end of the day his horses suffered, that is unacceptable. I dont know whats going on in the heads of murderers / rapists and the like but they sure as hell aren't going to get my sympathy!!
 
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Well said cappucino, anyone know how channel 4 can contemplate doing a follow up programme as biased as the last with the number of complaints they received over it??? Are they run by the daily fail???
 
After seeing some of his horses that were removed a while ago (just before the programme) I have no sympathy for the man.
Anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn't after seeing the state of them first hand!
 
doriangrey said:
I look at it this way (rightly or wrongly and maybe way too simplistic), that nobody in their right mind would treat those poor horses that way.
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The problem with that statement, is it would be equally true of anyone who commits awful crimes the rest of us can't comprehend the reason for. Why single CD out? What about child-killers? Surely no-one in their right mind would do a thing like that?

There is an enormously high number of people in prison with mental health issues. Despite that, not all criminals are mentally ill.

Being hideously cruel to animals is not a diagnosis of a mental health condition. Nor does mental ill health excuse cruelty.
 
competitiondiva said:
Well said cappucino, anyone know how channel 4 can contemplate doing a follow up programme as biased as the last with the number of complaints they received over it??? Are they run by the daily fail???
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I think the films are made by a separate film company and sold to Ch4. I guess the amount of media coverage and debate around CD would suggest high viewing figures and make the film worth more money.
 
I am not religious but whatever happened to Christian charity?

What a good thing the rest of society doesn't see things as black and white as some of the zealots on here!
 
Ffs.
Smile! - being on a pension is NO excuse. If he financially can't afford them, he shouldn't have them!!!!!
What should the RSPCA have done? Left them? Footed the bill to help them and them left them there to decline in health and increase in numbers again?

The only regret is they didn't get removed sooner.
 
Elsiecat said:
Ffs.
Smile! - being on a pension is NO excuse. If he financially can't afford them, he shouldn't have them!!!!!
What should the RSPCA have done? Left them? Footed the bill to help them and them left them there to decline in health and increase in numbers again?

The only regret is they didn't get removed sooner.
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This.

There have been people on this forum, and several others, who have to make the heartbreaking decision to sell horses they can no longer afford to keep. This is because they put the horses' welfare first.
I know much less about this case than many people here but I cannot bear those who keep more animals than they can afford to. Why should any organisation subsidise someone in this situation?
 
Let me put this back at you another way - if Clwyd Davies was called Jonny, a 20-something gypsy, and had done the same as Clwyd - you'd be calling for him to be strung up. The fact Clwyd is old and on a pension should be no wager in this.
 
I'm not being Funny Smile! But if his "friends" really gave a ***** about CD, they would not have thrown him on TV trying to get sympathy for him. His alleged "hounding" would never have happened if his "friends" hadn't been so greedy and fame/money hungry. When flinging him out on national tv and then begging for money(whilst taking his horses and selling them, but only giving him a token from the sale) people are rightly going to look into the situation further

I'm sorry he is missing, I expect he has just moved on from the media circus that his "friends" stick him squarely in the middle of

However neglect and cruelty if horses is disgraceful, and the RSPCA did the absolute right thing by banning him
 
Smile! said:
The man appears to have been trying very hard to get the situation under control.
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Now this is the bit that there seems to be some disagreement about.
What exactly was he doing to get the situation under control? Not being confrontational here, just asking.
It's my understanding that 'donations' were being asked for - is this what is meant by 'help', as opposed to practical help?

Practical help - in terms of re-homing the horses, etc seems reasonable, but I wouldn't donate to any cause that enabled someone to carry on keeping and apparently breeding (is that correct?) so many animals. The horses needed to come first.
 
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