Crate or not?

hihosilver said:
Because you are all making me feel like a criminal when all I want to do is provide a loving home and give my daughter something to focus on rather than her up and coming tests. Yes my neighbour will be great.
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The pup won't care less about 'love'. It needs time, attention and someone there most of the day. I'm very sorry your daughter is ill, that must be heartbreaking for you, but it does not mean she should be given a living breathing animal when it is not going to have it's needs met. Not only is it completely unfair and irresponsible with regard the pup, but it's hardly responsible parenting either - teaching a child that it's ok to have an animal for your own desire regardless of whether you can meet it's needs or not.
 
hihosilver said:
No they wont hopefully they will be prosecuting real cruelty issues,
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Forget the word 'cruelty'. It's not about 'cruelty'. It's about meeting the pups needs and giving it a reasonable and acceptable life. You couldn't call a parent who doesn't really interact with their young child 'cruel' as such, but you certainly wouldn't agree that it's an acceptable level of parenting. I would hope in any case.
 
hihosilver said:
Because you are all making me feel like a criminal when all I want to do is provide a loving home and give my daughter something to focus on rather than her up and coming tests. Yes my neighbour will be great.
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If you do not fulfill the basic needs of an animal under the Welfare Act quoted above, then yes, you could be prosecuted and yes, that would give you a criminal record.

I still have no doubt that your BLINKERED intent is good, but it is BLINKERED. You may THINK that you are providing a loving home but you will not be meeting the basic needs of an 8 week old puppy and will be storing up heartbreak and stress for yourself and your daughter, who I am sure could do well without it at this time.

This is NOT flippant....could you not focus her on something else...maybe by buying her a budgerigar, hamster, gerbil, goldfish or even kitten?

I don't envy you your situation and hope you have support yourself for what must be a very stressful time....
 
Moomin1 said:
The pup won't care less about 'love'. It needs time, attention and someone there most of the day. I'm very sorry your daughter is ill, that must be heartbreaking for you, but it does not mean she should be given a living breathing animal when it is not going to have it's needs met. Not only is it completely unfair and irresponsible with regard the pup, but it's hardly responsible parenting either - teaching a child that it's ok to have an animal for your own desire regardless of whether you can meet it's needs or not.
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mmm Doctors that have been treating her will disagree. They say it is so important for her to be positive in hopefully her road to recovery.
 
hihosilver said:
Because you are all making me feel like a criminal when all I want to do is provide a loving home and give my daughter something to focus on rather than her up and coming tests. Yes my neighbour will be great.
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No. No one is making you feel like a criminal. But hopefully re-considering.

Get her a kitten if you want to give her something to focus on.
 
hihosilver said:
mmm Doctors that have been treating her will disagree. They say it is so important for her to be positive in hopefully her road to recovery.
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Yes, it is important for her to be positive. It's also important for you to be responsible and provide her with some positivity which does not involve mistreating an animal in the meantime. I'm quite concerned in all honesty that someone who purports to be a teacher can actually show such a level of disregard for animal welfare. I don't say that lightly either. I hope this is a wind up.
 
amymay said:
No. No one is making you feel like a criminal. But hopefully re-considering.

Get her a kitten if you want to give her something to focus on.
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Can I just say though as well (no offence Amymay) that kittens need attention and shouldn't be left for long periods of time either, so I wouldn't suggest getting one of those. A hamster/gerbil etc, yes, kitten or pup, no.
 
hihosilver said:
mmm Doctors that have been treating her will disagree. They say it is so important for her to be positive in hopefully her road to recovery.
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How is anything about having this puppy 'positive'?

Why doesn't the person who looks after your daughter in the day also take care of the puppy?
 
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hihosilver said:
When we went to see Cariad- daughter chose name it has been the first time since being ill that she has smiled. She now has a calendar in her room and is crossing out the days till we go and get her.
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What relevance is that? Of course your daughter will smile about it, and be excited. It's not her that's the issue. It's your irresponsibility that's the problem.
 
hihosilver said:
When we went to see Cariad- daughter chose name it has been the first time since being ill that she has smiled. She now has a calendar in her room and is crossing out the days till we go and get her.
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And your point is....? Nothing you have said has changed my view...there is NOTHING in this debacle that is positive from the pup's perspective. You do not deserve to own a puppy and if ever I found out who you are in real life AND that this scenario pans out as I think it will, then I would have no hesitation whatsoever in reporting you to the authorities and pushing for a successful prosecution.
 
Moomin1 said:
What relevance is that? Of course your daughter will smile about it, and be excited. It's not her that's the issue. It's your irresponsibility that's the problem.
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don't let her wind you up. This whole thread has been one long exhaustive attention seeking troll fest. Don't feed the trolls, they soon go away.
 
PucciNPoni said:
don't let her wind you up. This whole thread has been one long exhaustive attention seeking troll fest. Don't feed the trolls, they soon go away.
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OK...am putting her on 'ignore' such that I can no longer see her posts....first time I've ever done this, but must admit she has got to be a troll...no one could be that ****
 
Why not let the puppy live with the neighbours and your daughter can pop round for 30 mins a day to okay with the poor little mite? Failing that I expect, we'll be seeing the poor little scrap for sale on gumtree aged 9 weeks old due to "allergy problems"
 
gunnergundog said:
And your point is....? Nothing you have said has changed my view...there is NOTHING in this debacle that is positive from the pup's perspective. You do not deserve to own a puppy and if ever I found out who you are in real life AND that this scenario pans out as I think it will, then I would have no hesitation whatsoever in reporting you to the authorities and pushing for a successful prosecution.
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mmm so now you are blackmailing me.
 
To constitute 'Blackmail', there has to be an implied gain for the blackmailer. The reality is that GGD is acting and speaking, not on her(?) behalf, but strangely, yours, your daughter's and this planned for puppy's. That isn't blackmail. I suspect that it's an attempt to point out that you're heading for a seriously hard time, and that you and yours will be those who suffer, should you be genuine and should you continue with your half baked, and ill thought through plans.

I'm still not convinced that this puppy actually exists! :D

Alec.
 
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Alec Swan said:
hihosilver, just as a matter of interest, what does your sidekick Tonto, think of your plans?

I'm loving this, it's a hoot! :D

Alec.
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I hope with every fibre of my being that this is a wind up. The thought of a puppy being bought to cheer daughter up and then spend mindless hours crated in solitude is just tragic, it makes my blood boil. I've had puppies, and I've done the leg work, and this latest puppy has taken up every moment I have. I love her to bits, but she was bought not least because we couldn't find seven hours in the week where she would be alone.
 
RunToEarth said:
I hope with every fibre of my being that this is a wind up. The thought of a puppy being bought to cheer daughter up and then spend mindless hours crated in solitude is just tragic, it makes my blood boil. I've had puppies, and I've done the leg work, and this latest puppy has taken up every moment I have. I love her to bits, but she was bought not least because we couldn't find seven hours in the week where she would be alone.
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Here's the thing - people who don't give a ***** about the dogs spend very little time on their puppies and get away with it somehow - okay there will be problems along the way and the dog will get ignored, there will be behaviour issues and all that. But the clueless will keep on being clueless and the dog will suffer. It's only the people who actually care and put the work in to raising a puppy who end up having long sleepless nights, run around making sure that the dog has proper day time care and all the right training and socialisation.
 
I got a puppy last summer after I had given up work. Had wanted one for a long time but waited until I could give it the time needed. I knew they were a lot of work but was still surprised at just how much attention they need. She needed out at least ever hour and I was glad I got her in summer as it was easier to spend a lot of time with her in the garden. It felt like having a baby/toddler again. I think it will be very difficult for you to give it the time it needs. They just want to be with you all the time. She is 8 months now and she is only left for 3-4 hours a day at most. I have used a crate and found it great. She goes in it when I am out and at night. I think she would dislike the crate though if she was put in it for as long as you are planning so not sure that this would work.
 
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