Clodagh
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That is absolute rubbish. My labs wouldn’t even make the grade as pet quality, conformationally.
To me they’re perfect.
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To me they’re perfect.
Clodagh
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I think we are used to seeing short legged white jrts and as he was a colour more associated with Parsons it’s leading people’s opinions.
blodwyn1
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The jack Russell was the spitting image of mine I had in 1967 he is a lovely rough coat.
Love
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Very happy with BIS and Reserve! Would happily have seen them placed either way round, I loved them both.
Lovely photo @druid and huge well done @Patterdale in the big ring - I'm not sure my nerves could have handled it!
Lovely photo @druid and huge well done @Patterdale in the big ring - I'm not sure my nerves could have handled it!
CorvusCorax
Justified & Ancient
I guess the issue is that JRTs have traditionally been very diverse as a type (see this thread, everyone has their own opinion on what one is) and the KC have come in and tried to standardise/cookie-cutter it, a long time after the fact.
MurphysMinder
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You’ve only got up look at the other thread running to see the variations .
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If he was a bit grubby and didn't have his legs trimmed and sprayed up I suspect he'd look a lot more familiar. My childhood JRT had a giant block head and stumpy Queen Anne legs, I can still appreciate both him and the winner for what they were/are.
Errin Paddywack
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I remember one issue of the Observers Book of Dogs back in the 60's which had a picture of the Jack Russel that looked exactly like the Sealyham x JRT that we had at the RS. The height and weight given fitted our JRT cross who was much bigger than the modern JRT, though still small. A farmer friend of ours in the late 80's/early 90's had a stunning JRT. Smooth coated and longer in the leg than most now. She used to get taken to all the little fun shows and was always well placed. These days people mostly see the short legged type with a slightly longer back, I prefer them more in proportion.
Chippers1
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I was disappointed that when they picked photos from the public for each group, the gundog group was a labradoodle and not my lovely English setter 
The ES had hardly any mention!
How do you get to be on the discover dogs stand? I reckon Clover would love it, she loves people (and treats).
The ES had hardly any mention!How do you get to be on the discover dogs stand? I reckon Clover would love it, she loves people (and treats).
Patterdale
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I was disappointed that when they picked photos from the public for each group, the gundog group was a labradoodle and not my lovely English setter
How do you get to be on the discover dogs stand? I reckon Clover would love it, she loves people (and treats).
It’s usually the breed societies I think, contact them and ask. I think we’ll try and get on the stand next year too. I didn’t even get to see Discover Dogs this year!
Jenko109
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That's out of context though isn't it.
It was not used towards someone showing their JRT.
It was used to describe dogs which are completely different (by the owners own admission) to that of the show dog in question.
I don't think anybody who shows dogs would be offended by an example which they feel is not in keeping with the breed standard, being described as pet quality. I'm pretty sure they all do that themselves when rehoming puppies not cut out for the show ring.
Goldenstar
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But to say to someone who does not show dogs about their dog is a completely different thing .
Jenko109
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Exactly....
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
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Part of the charm of the breed is the diversity, but having owned JRTs for over 30 years I’ve still never seen a dog that is claimed to be a JRT that looks like the Crufts example. It’s a cracking nondescript terrier in my book.
But hey, I only have pet dogs. What does a muppet like me know. Except that getting the KC involved is always going to be bad news to dogs.
Indeed, and I wish that the KC , who I despise, had continued to stay well away from them.
Part of the charm of the breed is the diversity, but having owned JRTs for over 30 years I’ve still never seen a dog that is claimed to be a JRT that looks like the Crufts example. It’s a cracking nondescript terrier in my book.
But hey, I only have pet dogs. What does a muppet like me know. Except that getting the KC involved is always going to be bad news to dogs.
Fellewell
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An old friend of mine, very much a gundog man, used to work both his Munsters at C in obedience in the 1980s/90s. He also had a delightful Irish Setter at home who defied convention
SkylarkAscending
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I’ve already explained why I felt it was a bitchy comment - please see above. I may not show my JRTs because I loathe the show scene and particularly Crufts as it is run by the Kennel Club, but after 50+ years of exposure to the show scene I do know quite a lot about it and am entitled to my view.
This whole conversation is going round in circles when people are never going to agree
Asha
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why do some people have an issue with the kennel club ?
CorvusCorax
Justified & Ancient
**takes swig of coffee, stubs out cigarette, puts feet up on the table**
Pull up a pew, let us begin.....
Pull up a pew, let us begin.....
SkylarkAscending
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Clodagh
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Are we allowed one point each, no repetition? I’ll bagsie what I think is CC’s main gripe, no DNA testing so when you buy a registered pup it could be out of any bitch and be by any dog.
(Presumably of the same breed).
There… someone else’s turn.
CorvusCorax
Justified & Ancient
Whilst it is better than nothing and it's better to have a registered dog than an unregistered dog IMO, it's a gentleman's club and not a true animal registry as there is no DNA bank and it lags way behind/has been far slower than the individual breed clubs in driving positive change in terms of health, temperament and structure.
They will basically register anything as long as the fee is paid and very basic regulations adhered to, which are rarely checked up on. This lack of oversight unfortunately enables a lot of backyard breeding and puppy farming and registration gives those folks a veneer of respectability and it cheapens the efforts of those trying to do things right.
There are 'recommendations/advice' that you should not breed from dogs with poor health test results, rather than any outright lines in the sand, 'if you do this, you can't play in our ballpark'. For example if a dog has bad hips in my own breed in Germany, it gets a breeding ban and it can't compete in anything.
I'm sure I will think of more....
They will basically register anything as long as the fee is paid and very basic regulations adhered to, which are rarely checked up on. This lack of oversight unfortunately enables a lot of backyard breeding and puppy farming and registration gives those folks a veneer of respectability and it cheapens the efforts of those trying to do things right.
There are 'recommendations/advice' that you should not breed from dogs with poor health test results, rather than any outright lines in the sand, 'if you do this, you can't play in our ballpark'. For example if a dog has bad hips in my own breed in Germany, it gets a breeding ban and it can't compete in anything.
I'm sure I will think of more....
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
The Kennel Club - A Force for Good? Or Profiteers from Poorly Puppies? - Vet Help Direct
Do the kennel club do enough to promote, encourage and ensure the welfare of the UK’s dog population? Or are they in it for the money? According to their website, the kennel club was set up in 1873 to develop a consistent set of rules for governing the popular new activities of dog showing and […]
vethelpdirect.com
“Dogs that have been identified as being at risk of producing offspring that would have reduced welfare due to their genetics or the results of screening, are not actively prevented from breeding or being able to register with Kennel Club; so there are no direct consequences for breeders making poor choices leading to producing puppies with poor welfare.
Some diseases that are common in breeds, e.g. syringomyelia in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, are not protected. There is no recommendation or requirement to not breed those that are affected by this disease.”
Jenko109
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I don't like that they expect my dog to jump 600, when she is just not comfortably capable of doing so.
Sorry. A little off piste
Sorry. A little off piste
meleeka
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It’s a bit like asking why nobody likes the FEI when it comes to horse welfare. Another organisation that’s all talk.
SkylarkAscending
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Great comparison - particularly the endurance part of the FEI!
ihatework
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And some of the British sport horse studbook that seem to license very dubious stallions as Sporthorses
Britestar
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Finally home, unpacked, rental van returned and ponies done.
Having a bit of a rest before I tackle the online orders.
Not sure if I met any of you
Having a bit of a rest before I tackle the online orders.
Not sure if I met any of you
Patterdale
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Omg - I only discovered this yesterday and I was appalled. It’s bonkers!!!!
MurphysMinder
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Ditto my little guy jumping 300, he is capable but I’d rather he jumped lower , which is why we mainly do A4A showsI don't like that they expect my dog to jump 600, when she is just not comfortably capable of doing so.
Sorry. A little off piste
MurphysMinder
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There was a case in Lanc heelers where dogs developed a condition that according to parents health tests was impossible . KC got involved and DNA tests showed mother wasn’t as pedigree stated . The innocent offspring were “deregistered” , breeder got a slapped wrist and temporary ban but is back showing and judging again .