Cud some kind person get me a number on preloved

ribbons said:
I didn't say anything about not being entitled to discuss any subject whatsoever. I just find this thread amusing in that its being argued so intensely. I get the impression that is to do with so much more than the subject matter.
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Do you? I don't - I just think some people feel strongly about the concept that's all. I can see what some are trying to suggest by it 'only being a fiver, why are you getting het up'...but they are forgetting that it really isn't 'just a fiver'...it's hundreds of thousands of pounds when you account for the amount of people who think it's acceptable to take the info without paying. It's the wider picture which is the issue here.
 
Spring Feather said:
I was answering your statement that amazon do not let you read the same book at the same time. I did not bring up kindle/amazon, my point was simply to tell you that you are wrong and that quite obviously it is allowed as both kindle and amazon know which kindle is reading which book at whichever time and they know which page each kindle is on at any given time because they tell you where the other two kindles are at in the book each time you open a new reading session.
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SF if it's allowed, then I see no relevance to you introducing the point into this discussion of preloved, sorry.

And just because Amazon facilitate having the book open at different points on different devices doesn't necessarily mean that they accept different people reading a book at the same time though, have you actually checked the t+cs?

I find it very interesting that it is not even possible to delete a book from one account and transfer it to a second, never mind to pass a copy over and have it on two accounts at the same time. In other words, with an electronic copy, you can't finish the book and hand it to a friend unless you hand over the physical machine that has your account linked to it.
 
SF didnt bring it up, I did. But Amazon allow you to share books to different kindles. You dont have to be related or part of the same organisation, just allow that person to register their kindle on your account as far as I'm aware. And then theres actual books. People lend books all the time. Is that illegal? I dont know, but I do know its common practice
 
cptrayes said:
SF if it's allowed, then I see no relevance to you introducing the point into this discussion of preloved, sorry.

And just because Amazon facilitate having the book open at different points on different devices doesn't necessarily mean that they accept different people reading a book at the same time though, have you actually checked the t+cs?

I find it very interesting that it is not even possible to delete a book from one account and transfer it to a second, never mind to pass a copy over and have it on two accounts at the same time. In other words, with an electronic copy, you can't finish the book and hand it to a friend unless you hand over the physical machine that has your account linked to it.
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I could see how this would work.

It's the same when you own an ipad and iPhone. Both those devices will be connected to the same account. (my account for example as I own both devices). So if I download a book on my iPhone it will automatically download the book to my ipad too so I can read my book off all devices connected to that account. It's not relevant to preloved but it explains that you can read one book off two different devices. If I read the book on my phone it saves my page, if I then read on ipad it asks if I'd like to skip to the page I got to on my phone or carry on where it is.

You can't transfer books from different accounts though.
 
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ribbons said:
I didn't say anything about not being entitled to discuss any subject whatsoever. I just find this thread amusing in that its being argued so intensely. I get the impression that is to do with so much more than the subject matter.
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Yup, its about Britain's creeping acceptance of immorality. We've got to make a stand, and by god we've made it :)

Spring Feather said:
Yes they do. I share an account with my husband and he and I are often reading the same book at the same time.
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cptrayes said:
I find it very interesting that it is not even possible to delete a book from one account and transfer it to a second, never mind to pass a copy over and have it on two accounts at the same time. In other words, with an electronic copy, you can't finish the book and hand it to a friend unless you hand over the physical machine that has your account linked to it.
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The rules on sharing books are different in the US & UK. People with Kindles registered in the States can buy books for other Kindle users, and can lend them to friends. The lender cant read the book while the borrower has it. I thought they'd introduced this feature here?
 
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Just for the record, I actually agree with you. I don't think its fair and anyone wanting info from the site should pay up to get it.
What I'm finding interesting is that several times before, some one has asked on here for a pre loved member to get them a number and its never resulted in a similar response. Maybe it depends who's asking.
 
undergroundoli said:
The rules on sharing books are different in the US & UK. People with Kindles registered in the States can buy books for other Kindle users, and can lend them to friends. The lender cant read the book while the borrower has it. I thought they'd introduced this feature here?
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Well that explains it. Thanks! Yes I'm UK, sf is US
 
ribbons said:
Just for the record, I actually agree with you. I don't think its fair and anyone wanting info from the site should pay up to get it.
What I'm finding interesting is that several times before, some one has asked on here for a pre loved member to get them a number and its never resulted in a similar response. Maybe it depends who's asking.
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speaking for myself, it has nothing whatsoever with who asked, it is simply the first time I have seen a thread of this kind and I will respond the same way every time. The suggestion that I would react differently to another user is, to be frank, a little insulting. It could be my best friend and I'd still tell them to pay the five quid.
 
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I think paying the television licence is the closest analogy. If I don't pay but I do watch TV I'm benefiting from a service I'm not paying for.

I'm not depriving anyone else of the chance to watch Eastenders, but why should I get something for free when everyone else is paying for it? If everyone stopped paying the licence there would be no Eastenders, which I admittedly can't get upset about, but plenty would.

Borrowing preloved numbers, or breaking (most) traffic laws, or not paying the Licence Fee only benefits the people who do it because most of us don't. It is freeloading, pure and simple. Someone asked who gets to decide what is immoral. If you are benefiting from breaking rules BECAUSE other people are keeping them I think that is a clear sign you shouldn't do it.
 
saw this post ages ago and didnt look, it is now on page 13! anyone care to give a short explanation of what all this *******s is about
 
Oooh, I have been stalking this thread for a while, was a bit shocked at some reactions, and amazed at others.

I would not have asked for the number off a forum, but if a friend knew I was looking for a .....was it a Cub saddle???....... and they found one on Preloved, thought of me, and wrote the number down for me that I guess I would accept it.

Rather than looking at Shoplifting for an analogy I think that BD tests would be a better comparison.

I mainly do BE, and they print the tests available for all on the web site and in the rule book. BD do not, you have to pay. BD do not have them available on the web site, so I usually download mine from DRessage Diagrams, who pay BD a licence fee for the intellectual property. I resent paying as I believe the tests should be available to members, after paying my registration, my horses' registration, my entry. To pay for the bloomin test as well seems like a Tax! But, it is the rules, so I do.

I have a few times, both personally, and once on this forum, been asked for a test. All times I refuse to scan, copy, write out, as I am aware that I would be breaching copyright. In fact on this forum about a month ago I directed the OP to the Dressage Diagrams site, only for someone else to write the test out further down the thread.

To me this was also dishonest. It was not their intellectual property to give.

Does that make me....... small minded, care less about welfare, an expert on a Kindle, a shoplifter, a Waitrose fan, moralistic, not give to charity, a fraudster, like popcorn, likely to be doing gymnastics while sitting on an uncomfortable seat (STRIKER's post has been deleted now I see), an expert on Feline Dentistry or an individual? Wow, this thread is like the world of individuals in one thread.

The strange part is, although I would not scan a BD test or copy, or type it out, I feel quite comfortable to take my (paid for) copy and read it to a client........ That seems entirely appropriate to me.
 
Moomin1 said:
Err, I've shown compassion. I said I am sorry to hear of the predicament. However, if the thread offends people that much, then why bother posting?
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I couldn't give two hoots about preloved or some lady giving another lady a number despite not paying for membership. I only came in because it had to be a decent read having got to 20 odd pages. It isn't a decent read for anyone starting at the back end - so don't bother.

The only shocking thing to come out of this thread is that someone could repeatedly refer to stage four cancer as a 'predicament'. Unbelievable.
 
Mongoose11 said:
I couldn't give two hoots about preloved or some lady giving another lady a number despite not paying for membership. I only came in because it had to be a decent read having got to 20 odd pages. It isn't a decent read for anyone starting at the back end - so don't bother.

The only shocking thing to come out of this thread is that someone could repeatedly refer to stage four cancer as a 'predicament'. Unbelievable.
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Well what wording would you prefer to be used then? Dear me, I really don't think it matters what word is used
 
Moomin1 said:
Err, I've shown compassion. I said I am sorry to hear of the predicament. However, if the thread offends people that much, then why bother posting?
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Moomin1 said:
I haven't - it wasn't me who initially discussed anything with Teabiscuit on here. That is my only point I have made to her.

I do feel for TB and her OH, however many many of us on here have bad predicaments going on in life, which we may not wish to discuss..but it doesn't give us the right to stop people posting opinions or challenging other's opinions either. Nobody has been personally offensive on this thread - merely people pointing out their moral stance.
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You called it a predicament and then referred to it as a predicament. Of course it matters what word is used, we generally use words that are correct for the sentiment/semantic meaning. If I referred to 'someone' as a 'knob' they might take offence, if I called them a 'see you next Tuesday' then I would probably get a smack in the mouth. Of course it matters.

A 'predicament' is losing your car keys when you have an appointment to get to, or your cat being stuck up a tree; it is not stage four cancer.
 
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Mongoose11 said:
You called it a predicament and then referred to it as a predicament. Of course it matters what word is used, we generally use words that are correct for the sentiment/semantic meaning. If I referred to 'someone' as a 'knob' they might take offence, if I called them a 'see you next Tuesday' then I would probably get a smack in the mouth. Of course it matters.

A 'predicament' is losing your car keys when you have an appointment to get to, or your cat being stuck up a tree; it is not stage four cancer.
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A predicament is actually a difficult/unpleasant situation, crisis, trouble/problem.

If you want to split hairs go for it. I couldn't give a monkeys.
 
Red-1 said:
Oooh, I have been stalking this thread for a while, was a bit shocked at some reactions, and amazed at others.

I would not have asked for the number off a forum, but if a friend knew I was looking for a .....was it a Cub saddle???....... and they found one on Preloved, thought of me, and wrote the number down for me that I guess I would accept it.

Rather than looking at Shoplifting for an analogy I think that BD tests would be a better comparison.

I mainly do BE, and they print the tests available for all on the web site and in the rule book. BD do not, you have to pay. BD do not have them available on the web site, so I usually download mine from DRessage Diagrams, who pay BD a licence fee for the intellectual property. I resent paying as I believe the tests should be available to members, after paying my registration, my horses' registration, my entry. To pay for the bloomin test as well seems like a Tax! But, it is the rules, so I do.

I have a few times, both personally, and once on this forum, been asked for a test. All times I refuse to scan, copy, write out, as I am aware that I would be breaching copyright. In fact on this forum about a month ago I directed the OP to the Dressage Diagrams site, only for someone else to write the test out further down the thread.

To me this was also dishonest. It was not their intellectual property to give.

Does that make me....... small minded, care less about welfare, an expert on a Kindle, a shoplifter, a Waitrose fan, moralistic, not give to charity, a fraudster, like popcorn, likely to be doing gymnastics while sitting on an uncomfortable seat (STRIKER's post has been deleted now I see), an expert on Feline Dentistry or an individual? Wow, this thread is like the world of individuals in one thread.

The strange part is, although I would not scan a BD test or copy, or type it out, I feel quite comfortable to take my (paid for) copy and read it to a client........ That seems entirely appropriate to me.
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Let's get this back to something sensible like this post, shall we? It's a good example red-1

Interestingly, I find I have no moral problem with copying a test out by watching someone do it on YouTube. I would happily lend a friend a paper copy of a test, and when they get their score sheet they will then have a copy direct from BD, so have paid for it. I wouldn't lend a test to a stranger on the internet, but I have pointed out the YouTube option in the past. It's an interesting one. When tests are seen in public, are they still copyright? Would BD have any right to be annoyed by someone writing out a test from watching one on the internet? I have no idea.
 
Mongoose11 said:
The only shocking thing to come out of this thread is that someone could repeatedly refer to stage four cancer as a 'predicament'. Unbelievable.
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I think that's an unfortunate choice of word but I've never found Moomin to be an insensitive or unkind person so couldn't we give her the benefit of the doubt and assume it was not badly intended?
 
Someone I know has recently been killed in a car crash, things like that put silly arguments like this in to perspective for me.
So someone askedd

for a number for free, so what? Ok, so maybe it's morally wrong to ask but really who cares?
Come on chill out, there are much more serious things to worry about
 
Elliesmemory1 said:
Someone I know has recently been killed in a car crash, things like that put silly arguments like this in to perspective for me.
So someone askedd

for a number for free, so what? Ok, so maybe it's morally wrong to ask but really who cares?
Come on chill out, there are much more serious things to worry about
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Sorry, but that's a ridiculous statement, of course more important things happen in the world but using your logic no one would ever discuss anything.....
 
Of course it's not ridiculous.
Yes obviously things have to be discussed, but too this extent??
Really?
Maybe it's a bit cheeky to ask for a freebie but so what?
 
Elliesmemory1 said:
Of course it's not ridiculous.
Yes obviously things have to be discussed, but too this extent??
Really?
Maybe it's a bit cheeky to ask for a freebie but so what?
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I guess people want to discuss it to this extent or the thread would have died a death long ago !
 
Elliesmemory1 said:
Of course it's not ridiculous.
Yes obviously things have to be discussed, but too this extent??
Really?
Maybe it's a bit cheeky to ask for a freebie but so what?
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Doesn't the fact that it has been discussed to this extent mean there are rather a lot of people who think it's much more significant than being 'a bit cheeky'?


Though I could do without the stupid argument over semantics with moomin, that is silly, I think.
 
Last year I couldn't find my copy of a BD test, ordered one from dressage diagrammes, but there was a problem with it downloading. I had paid for it twice, and asked on here for a copy, as it was getting perilously close to the test day, had the request removed and received a message from admin about incorrect use of the forum. Yet the number for pre-loved remains here, how odd....
 
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