Cud some kind person get me a number on preloved

JEEEZZZZZZZZZZ.

Yes £5 is a fair charge in order to access numbers. But to bring some peoples character into question and make irrelevant comparisons over asking for a number is absolutely shocking! Please dismount from your high horses.

Can this thread just end with the summary that some feel it is both immoral and/or illegal, and others feel that it is no big deal? Done! :D
 
khalswitz said:
See, the same legal aspect applies to both - the information is owned by the company and you pay to access it. It is just the same for BS as for preloved, and justifying one and not the other throws up the same moral question as 'would you shop lift'. BS has a relatively cheap non competing membership for access to that information, so why should it be ok to steal their information but not preloved's?

I personally agree the fiver should just be paid, not enough to get in a tizz but enough that id pay my own and refuse to give out numbers to non payers. However the fact that this is reprehensible when giving out BS record details absolutely astounds me. It is exactly the same thing - just because BS is more expensive and you feel their prices are too high doesn't mean that you aren't stealing from them. Personally I think Louis Vuitton handbags are too expensive - but I wouldn't walk out of a shop with one.
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Well I'm not on the page of "all stealing is wrong, end of". I wouldn't do it in case I got in trouble lol, but Robin Hood has my full support.
 
misskk88 said:
JEEEZZZZZZZZZZ.

Yes £5 is a fair charge in order to access numbers. But to bring some peoples character into question and make irrelevant comparisons over asking for a number is absolutely shocking! Please dismount from your high horses.

Can this thread just end with the summary that some feel it is both immoral and/or illegal, and others feel that it is no big deal? Done! :D
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Yes agreed. Personally I think its a bit of an overreaction. Poor OP :(
 
Flame_ said:
Well I'm not on the page of "all stealing is wrong, end of". I wouldn't do it in case I got in trouble lol, but Robin Hood has my full support.
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In that case, why be bothered about preloved membership? They likely make as much if not more than BS?

The Robin Hood analogy falls a little flat IMO as the idea was to steal from the rich to give to the poor... This is just stealing. It's the brass necked who are gaining, not the poor.

And BS is definitely not a sheriff of Nottingham type... Their prize money is much better than BE or BD.
 
It always makes me chuckle this forum - the minute people dare to voice a strong opinion they get called 'nasty'...
 
Ive emailed preloved, and asked them outright whether it breaks terms/laws etc.

I also think the 'Would you shoplift' debate, to be way off the mark, as the service was paid for, and another person has asked for it, I'm a very giving person, and often go in shops and buy food and drink for the homeless,
 
khalswitz said:
See, the same legal aspect applies to both - the information is owned by the company and you pay to access it. It is just the same for BS as for preloved,
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One major difference. If you ring BS the nice ladies in the office will give you a horses record over the phone for FREE.
 
Zero00000 said:
Ive emailed preloved, and asked them outright whether it breaks terms/laws etc.

I also think the 'Would you shoplift' debate, to be way off the mark, as the service was paid for, and another person has asked for it, I'm a very giving person, and often go in shops and buy food and drink for the homeless,
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Whether it is written in or not, people are still brass necked tight assed cheeky so and so's for not paying and asking other people who have to provide info.
 
PaddyMonty said:
One major difference. If you ring BS the nice ladies in the office will give you a horses record over the phone for FREE.
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That's useful to know. But why on EARTH then do so many people come on ere asking for records to be looked up? Just blooming phone them yourself then!!!

Similar to waiting several days for a phone number to appear on the preloved website to free users I guess - just easier and quicker to cheat.
 
khalswitz said:
That's useful to know. But why on EARTH then do so many people come on ere asking for records to be looked up? Just blooming phone them yourself then!!!

Similar to waiting several days for a phone number to appear on the preloved website to free users I guess - just easier and quicker to cheat.
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Probably because they don't want to 'waste' their phone bill, so will ask some other mug to waste theirs instead lol!! ;-)
 
Zero00000 said:
Ive emailed preloved, and asked them outright whether it breaks terms/laws etc.

I also think the 'Would you shoplift' debate, to be way off the mark, as the service was paid for, and another person has asked for it, I'm a very giving person, and often go in shops and buy food and drink for the homeless,
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Great, let us know what they say. I know that they have previously requested hho to remove similar threads, so it will be interesting to hear their response.

Leave the food argument behind and consider something where you keep the use of what you have bought as well as giving it away. Do you copy cds for your friends? Because this wasn't a physical product handed over to another user, both users have the product, early access to seller details, and only one has paid for it.
 
risky business said:
What a thread.

I'm glad I don't use preloved myself, seems like there's a lot of right and wrongs surrounding it...
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It's a great site and quite simple. If an ad is new, you can only get the seller contact details If you pay a year's subscription of only five quid, or blag it off someone else.
 
Flame_ said:
Well I'm not on the page of "all stealing is wrong, end of". I wouldn't do it in case I got in trouble lol, but Robin Hood has my full support.
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Good point. To me there's a difference between what's moral and what's the law, although there's a big overlap.

It's illegal for a homeless, hungry person to take an out-of-date packaged sandwich from a supermarket skip, but it's clearly not immoral. Theft isn't always "wrong" IMO, although it mostly is.

And I do think in truth most people's motivation for following the law is fear of getting caught, not morality. :)
 
FionaM12 said:
Good point. To me there's a difference between what's moral and what's the law, although there's a big overlap.

It's illegal for a homeless, hungry person to take an out-of-date packaged sandwich from a supermarket skip, but it's clearly not immoral. Theft isn't always "wrong" IMO, although it mostly is.

And I do think in truth most people's motivation for following the law is fear of getting caught, not morality. :)
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It could be argued that the person who gives the Preloved info is morally of good intention...however the person who asks for it is not IMO.
 
FionaM12 said:
Good point. To me there's a difference between what's moral and what's the law, although there's a big overlap.

It's illegal for a homeless, hungry person to take an out-of-date packaged sandwich from a supermarket skip, but it's clearly not immoral. Theft isn't always "wrong" IMO, although it mostly is.

And I do think in truth most people's motivation for following the law is fear of getting caught, not morality. :)
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Fear of getting caught is the reason for some people but I don't think its the primary reason for most people. That's a rather cynical point of view. I do believe that most honest people have a sense of morality.
If people with integrity don't outnumber the one's with a skewed sense of morals, society would implode.
 
I do get where people are coming from here and I kind of agree with them that it is a form of stealing. However on thinking about it, I know I've done this many many times. I'm a member of AQHA and I have found out information for friends about certain horses because I have easy and quick Internet online access to this information and as they're not members, they don't. Am I doing something immoral/illegal? I don't think so as anyone can email AQHA or phone the Amarillo office and they will be able to get the same information from the staff there; they just can't go online to get that info unless they pay a membership fee.
 
Theft??? Is the heat affecting some members? The service fee has been paid, how its used afterwards is up to the 'owner'. If i buy a sandwich & give half away, thats my choice. The recipient hasn't 'stolen' anything.
 
blazingsaddles said:
Theft??? Is the heat affecting some members? The service fee has been paid, how its used afterwards is up to the 'owner'. If i buy a sandwich & give half away, thats my choice. The recipient hasn't 'stolen' anything.
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The sandwich argument is completely invalid. By giving the half sandwich away, it means you are not able to indulge in that half sandwich - only one person is, and there is no risk of it being passed on, and on and on again. Information passed on clearly can be recycled amongst many people. I am not saying people will inevitably do so, but there is a fee for a reason, therefore it should be paid.
 
MerrySherryRider said:
Do you think it's ok to post a private number publically on another random forum ? Really ?

Would it be ok then to link your private number on a fetish forum ?
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But the numbers on Preloved are public already, so your question is irrelevant. If I had put my number on Preloved for all to see in the first place, I wouldn't give a rat's arse if it was seen by someone not on the site.
 
Is it only me that finds this post boring, done to death and petty, oh my god why am I even replying :)

Is it morally wrong - probably
Is it criminally wrong - maybe but whose going to take it further? No one.
Does anyone really care - yes they obviously do but most don't.
 
SpringArising said:
But the numbers on Preloved are public already, so your question is irrelevant. If I had put my number on Preloved for all to see in the first place, I wouldn't give a rat's arse if it was seen by someone not on the site.
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Not so. The numbers can only be seen by someone whose ip address can be traced, unless it is published as it has been on this forum or verbally.
 
Moomin1 said:
It could be argued that the person who gives the Preloved info is morally of good intention...however the person who asks for it is not IMO.
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I think that's a fair point. One's motivation is to do someone a favour, the other's just on the scrounge and avoiding paying their due! :D

MerrySherryRider said:
Fear of getting caught is the reason for some people but I don't think its the primary reason for most people. That's a rather cynical point of view. I do believe that most honest people have a sense of morality.
If people with integrity don't outnumber the one's with a skewed sense of morals, society would implode.
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I was clear that I'm separating morals and the law. My motivation for doing what i believe to be right is a moral choice. Abiding by the law is more about following rules, even when the rules don't seem to make sense. :)
 
agree. Some people are soooo mean! :( x
shannonandtay said:
Is it only me that finds this post boring, done to death and petty, oh my god why am I even replying :)

Is it morally wrong - probably
Is it criminally wrong - maybe but whose going to take it further? No one.
Does anyone really care - yes they obviously do but most don't.
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epsilon said:
It's under the Theft Act where it is an offence to dishonestly appropriate property belong to another, with the intention permanently deprive the other of it!
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And I am sure that there is wording in another act that makes it illegal to appropriate the data of another person where that has commercial value. Permanent deprivation can apply only to physical goods. I meant, of course, in m+s' s contract with their customers.
 
cptrayes said:
And I am sure that there is wording in another act that makes it illegal to appropriate the data of another person where that has commercial value. Permanent deprivation can apply only to physical goods. I meant, of course, in m+s' s contract with their customers.
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I do feel like you're just clutching at straws now. Throughout the entire thread you have dodged posting any official Preloved statement regarding sharing info; presumably because you found no such thing. But of course, now we shall go back to your favourite "But would you steal from a shop?" question!

FWIW, I'm neither here nor there on the subject. OP just seemed to get a lot of unnecessary stick from you, which presumably stemmed from your boredom/lack of [insert appropriate word].
 
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