tristar
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Sorry my question was more how do riders convert negative to positive tension, but also how some create it
do you think negative tension is needed, at all?
or is neg tension and good tension two different things
Sorry my question was more how do riders convert negative to positive tension, but also how some create it
Well this was the crux of my discussion. In watching some of the grand prix tests I didn't see much difference between bad tension (which is marked down heavily at the lower levels) and the tension they were showing. Therefore why was their tension not seen as a bad thing?do you think negative tension is needed, at all?
or is neg tension and good tension two different things
Yeah, I think this is very applicable in jumping, I always struggled to get my blood up enough xc schooling to jump big things but it was pretty easy to come out of the start box focused and ready to attack the course, with that positive edge of adrenalineSport Psychologists talk about controlled emotion. You need emotion/arousal/adrenaline to perform at your best. But you need to be able to manage it so that you are not overwhelmed. Maybe positive tension is basically tension/ excitement/enegy that is channelled well?
Dolly jumps much better if Katie sort of revs her up first with rein backs and things. She's like: 'let me at 'em! If she's too relaxed she's more likely to get flat in the canter and have a pole.
Whereas mine flicks hers about practically every step even when thoroughly relaxed and through, so it's pretty meaningless in some cases IMO
That makes a lot of sense actually.Sport Psychologists talk about controlled emotion. You need emotion/arousal/adrenaline to perform at your best. But you need to be able to manage it so that you are not overwhelmed. Maybe positive tension is basically tension/ excitement/enegy that is channelled well?
Dolly jumps much better if Katie sort of revs her up first with rein backs and things. She's like: 'let me at 'em! If she's too relaxed she's more likely to get flat in the canter and have a pole.
Ok be helpful to have more specifics then , because mine does exactly the kind of frequent swishing that people on here often identify as problematic when watching top level combinations.It would really worry me to ride a horse who did that, I guess I've just not come across one yet.
ETA i just watched your Inter ii video MP and that isn't the kind of tail flashing I mean.
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Ok be helpful to have more specifics then , because mine does exactly the kind of frequent swishing that people on here often identify as problematic when watching top level combinations.
Well this was the crux of my discussion. In watching some of the grand prix tests I didn't see much difference between bad tension (which is marked down heavily at the lower levels) and the tension they were showing. Therefore why was their tension not seen as a bad thing?
I personally thought it was a bad move when tail flashing was removed from the signs of tension which were penalised.
The only time my horses flash their tails is when I've got things wrong. It's quite striking with my spotty, as soon as he does it I know I've made a mistake.
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Where do we stand on this getting over 80%?
To me, this is both dressage breeding and training taken several steps too far. I can absolutely appreciate the horse is very expressive and there are few 'mistakes', but the whole way the horse is going is tension
Where do we stand on this getting over 80%?
To me, this is both dressage breeding and training taken several steps too far. I can absolutely appreciate the horse is very expressive and there are few 'mistakes', but the whole way the horse is going is tension
For me personally, I would have the same comments whoever is riding because this is not how I like dressage. It's an aside that I dislike EG training methods too.I do wonder if he’d be getting the same response if the rider was a different name and the horse different bloodlines, even if they produced the same test as a just turned 9yo. He’s super supple and for the majority shown keeps a strong rhythm even in the pa/pi work. The trot half pass and the change of bend in that is almost super-equine. The way he’s moving over his back I don’t only see tension.
yeah agreed. i don't think anyone would be particularly even watching if it was an unknown rider or a horse bred differently.I do wonder if he’d be getting the same response if the rider was a different name and the horse different bloodlines, even if they produced the same test as a just turned 9yo. He’s super supple and for the majority shown keeps a strong rhythm even in the pa/pi work. The trot half pass and the change of bend in that is almost super-equine. The way he’s moving over his back I don’t only see tension.
Not been watching and also not a post to get carried away typing on a phone ?
But in the abstract... I think the difference between good and bad tension is something that you can sort of feel subconsciously, will need time to figure out how to put it into words, but I guess for me positive tension enhances or heightens the brilliance of a performance, and negative tension causes fundamental faults. I guess one can swap to the other without careful management.
So where do people stand on this, another 80%+ GP Freestyle by a 9 year old and another famous horse?
I've never been the biggest fan of this horse, and the tail is off putting in some of the moves. However looks less tense in parts then the above horse.
So where do people stand on this, another 80%+ GP Freestyle by a 9 year old and another famous horse?
I find this really interesting, looking forward to seeing the responses. Nowhere near the levels of those riders but the horses I like (hot, forward, busy) tend to hold a fair amount of tension by nature. Perhaps it’s the amount of necessary energy and impulsion held that turns into tension if not carefully managed. I think it’s the sensitive overthinkers that hold a lot of tension, it makes them lovely horses that are keen to do the job, but riding them is a balance of allowing them the sparkle needed to do well, whilst encouraging the relaxation so they don’t overboil.