Dunne v Frost

[Shilasdair]

I've just heard the news summary of the hearing - apparently Frost is a danger to everyone (then one wonders why the BHA haven't looked long and hard at the predominantly male stewards), Welch is lying, and Dunne's threats to put her through a wing were 'banter'.
Righty-o.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

The whole mess is going to do no one any good, now Chris Maude's valet's refuse to work for her, very petty, and makes life even more difficult in the weighing room.

 

[Rowreach]

The thing about dangerous jockeys is that trainers (particularly the big names) don't put them up on their horses ....

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

How does someone get a job as a valet? I can't find any career information and the very little I've found suggests that it's like the car transport drivers in days gone by, like the 70s, handed down father to son. White man to white man.

Its usually ex jockeys, very few of them, not a career for anyone not already steeped in racing, very unlikely father to son, you are misinformed.

 

[McGrools]

I absolutely love her post race interviews, at least she shows a bit of enthusiam and love for the sport and the horse.

i agree totally. The racing bunch arent generally blessed with natural charisma with camera skills. It makes me cringe when the presenters ram the mike into the faces of the connections and most of them look they wish the ground would swallow them up! Racing needed an eloquent enthusiastic jockey to make the tv shows a bit more appealing.

 

[stangs]

she talks like a 7yo child who has just jumped her first cross pole clear round on Twinkletoes the pony?

I for one think it’s lovely that there are still equestrian professionals out there who haven’t succumbed to the “another day at the workplace”/“it’s cool to not care” attitude.

 

[Clodagh]

she talks like a 7yo child who has just jumped her first cross pole clear round on Twinkletoes the pony?.

Much as you are of course fully entitled to your opinion I think the reception she got at Sandown shows that the ignorant public, who racing needs on side, think she’s great. I love that she actually seems to like the horse.

 

[ester]

And in other equestrian sports I'd say quite a lot of competitors are as effusive about their mounts as they would have been as a 7 year old about twinkletoes. I'm struggling to see why that is such a bad thing when we are essentially just using horses for our own pleasure.

 

[Rowreach]

And in other equestrian sports I'd say quite a lot of competitors are as effusive about their mounts as they would have been as a 7 year old about twinkletoes. I'm struggling to see why that is such a bad thing when we are essentially just using horses for our own pleasure.

I think that's how we should all feel when we get off our horses.

 

[teapot]

And in other equestrian sports I'd say quite a lot of competitors are as effusive about their mounts as they would have been as a 7 year old about twinkletoes. I'm struggling to see why that is such a bad thing when we are essentially just using horses for our own pleasure.

I think that's how we should all feel when we get off our horses.

I was going to say how is it any different to CDJ gushing about Pumpkin post Tokyo tests and putting her medal around his ears? Or Laura Collett and London 52? Oh wait, it isn't...

 

[splashgirl45]

well if frost is a danger on the racecourse, the BHA, stewards etc are not doing their job properly so lets go after them, oh its ok they are mainly men in the old boys club. this whole thing stinks and i am getting angry

 

[minesadouble]

Well I can't agree with the majority on this one.
She looks like a bloody good actress to me and her interviews are way too 'twee' and over enthusiastic for my liking.
I'm sure I saw last week that Richard Johnson will be making a statement as part of Dunne's defence. I have the utmost respect for Johnson who is a consummate professional and his opinion will count for a lot for me.
I've nothing against female jockeys per se but feel Frost could learn a lot from the likes of Nina Carberry and others who went before her.

 

[NinjaPony]

Gosh this is really exposing the bullying cliquey attitudes that seem to be the norm in racing circles. Even if you don’t like a colleague, treating them with civility and a modicum of respect is a bare minimum. I repeat, if Frost has breached rules or ridden dangerously, that is a separate issue that should be dealt with by the proper authorities. The lack of professional attitudes on display does the racing industry no favours at all.

 

[Shilasdair]

well if frost is a danger on the racecourse, the BHA, stewards etc are not doing their job properly so lets go after them, oh its ok they are mainly men in the old boys club. this whole thing stinks and i am getting angry

The fact that the BHA have undertaken an investigation already, and are the ones who have brought Dunne to court, is promising in itself.
Of course, no one is surprised that Dunne's misogynistic buddies (presumably eaten up by jealousy when beaten by a woman) are standing up for him. But there are many racehorse owners, and trainers who will never let Dunne near their horses again.

 

[minesadouble]

Oh and in defence of Elf I have to say that there is probably no one on this forum who is in a better position to gauge the general feeling of the racing world to an individual high profile jockey, male or female.

 

[Rowreach]

I've nothing against female jockeys per se but feel Frost could learn a lot from the likes of Nina Carberry and others who went before her.

Ah, the ones who just took it on the chin you mean.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

The valets are sticking up for themselves and setting the record straight about things at Fontwell today.

 

[AdorableAlice]

Ah, the ones who just took it on the chin you mean.

Never assume. It can make an ass out of you and me.

 

[splashgirl45]

it doesnt matter if elf doesnt like her in this instance as the BHA are investigating dunne, not frost.. no matter what dunne feels she has done, there is no excuse for bullying, sexist behaviour. if the jockeys, as a whole, think she is endangering other horses and jockeys, then let them report her to the BHA. if she hasnt, and its just sour grapes and she is not popular with the boys, there is still no excuse for dunnes behaviour. i wonder if this sort of behaviour has been going on for a long time and frost is the first female to rebel against it.. all this is not good for racing or for my blood pressure....

 

[ester]

I'm not sure it matters what the general racing world feels about her for the purposes of this does it?

 

[Clodagh]

The valets are sticking up for themselves and setting the record straight about things at Fontwell today.

I didn’t know that valets were in trouble, I thought they were cannon fodder.
I don’t say you, Elf, have to like BF but saying you don’t like her because she’s enthusiastic is silly. IMO.

 

[Rowreach]

Never assume. It can make an ass out of you and me.

I'm assuming nothing, unlike you assuming I know nothing. I am quite a bit older than Elf and am a long time out of any real involvement in NH racing but I do know what it was like for women jockeys back then.

 

[Clodagh]

But I did think the BHA were hoping it would all go away, hence the big delay u til it was leaked, when they actually set a date.
only my impression and possibly quite wrong.

 

[Shilasdair]

The valets are sticking up for themselves and setting the record straight about things at Fontwell today.

That's a response to something - where's the original article for context, please?

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

https://www.racingpost.com/news/lat...or-bryony-frost-in-wake-of-allegations/525935

 

[Rowreach]

That's a response to something - where's the original article for context, please?

Chris Maude told the hearing that three of the valets had refused to work for her at Fontwell (Piper/Piper/Sinfield), so it's on record (ie not something made up by the Sun or the RP).

 

[Shilasdair]

https://www.racingpost.com/news/lat...or-bryony-frost-in-wake-of-allegations/525935

Elfie, that doesn't make sense.
In the article it says that Chris Maude stated his employees (Piper, Piper and Sinfield) refused to work for Frost at Fontwell - but the response you posted above is from a Daniel Fortt - so presumably a different firm entirely?

 

[ycbm]

With regards to the Virtual Grand National tweet Dunne put out - he was the only one stupid enough to put down in written words, in the public domain what the majority of people that work in racing (all parts of racing) were thinking.

The only thing I can think when i read this is what a vile industry you must work in.
.

 

[splashgirl45]

its getting more and more bizarre, makes racing look bad

 

[Rowreach]

The only thing I can think when i read this is what a vile industry you must work in.
.

It's definitely not a glowing indictment of many of the people involved in it, certainly.