Emily King crowdfunding?

The owner support thing is interesting as her original Instagram post says the horse is only for sale due to Emily relocating. Why sell just because the current rider is moving? Plenty of other decent event riders in the south west...

I follow her on Instragram with one cynical eye open - that girl has a lot of holidays
 
I'm sorry, but I'm appalled by this, it comes across as a supremely advantaged person just thinking they can have absolutely anything they want. Emily has had huge advantages in her career, and she has access to a lot of owner support, if the horse is really as good as she believes it is, and she can not find an owner(s) to buy it for her, all it demonstrates is that her owners do not have much faith in her. She is basically saying she wants the horse, so multiple people shes never met can buy it for her, and given that she is not exactly on the poverty line, nor is she without any horses to ride, it just strikes me as appalling arrogance and sense of entitlement.

This is without all the various impossible promises she has made based on this horse sailing from Novice to 4* in record time.....
 
daffy44 said:
I'm sorry, but I'm appalled by this, it comes across as a supremely advantaged person just thinking they can have absolutely anything they want. Emily has had huge advantages in her career, and she has access to a lot of owner support, if the horse is really as good as she believes it is, and she can not find an owner(s) to buy it for her, all it demonstrates is that her owners do not have much faith in her. She is basically saying she wants the horse, so multiple people shes never met can buy it for her, and given that she is not exactly on the poverty line, nor is she without any horses to ride, it just strikes me as appalling arrogance and sense of entitlement.

This is without all the various impossible promises she has made based on this horse sailing from Novice to 4* in record time.....
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well said, daffy! I think this is one of the few times that HHO is united on a subject :D
 
daffy44 said:
I'm sorry, but I'm appalled by this, it comes across as a supremely advantaged person just thinking they can have absolutely anything they want. Emily has had huge advantages in her career, and she has access to a lot of owner support, if the horse is really as good as she believes it is, and she can not find an owner(s) to buy it for her, all it demonstrates is that her owners do not have much faith in her. She is basically saying she wants the horse, so multiple people shes never met can buy it for her, and given that she is not exactly on the poverty line, nor is she without any horses to ride, it just strikes me as appalling arrogance and sense of entitlement.

This is without all the various impossible promises she has made based on this horse sailing from Novice to 4* in record time.....
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Yep, very very well said, there are many many talented riders that would kill for the advantages she has in life and horses.
 
daffy44 said:
I'm sorry, but I'm appalled by this, it comes across as a supremely advantaged person just thinking they can have absolutely anything they want. Emily has had huge advantages in her career, and she has access to a lot of owner support, if the horse is really as good as she believes it is, and she can not find an owner(s) to buy it for her, all it demonstrates is that her owners do not have much faith in her. She is basically saying she wants the horse, so multiple people shes never met can buy it for her, and given that she is not exactly on the poverty line, nor is she without any horses to ride, it just strikes me as appalling arrogance and sense of entitlement.

This is without all the various impossible promises she has made based on this horse sailing from Novice to 4* in record time.....
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Totally agree.

It just doesn't seem to be well thought out at all. Obviously the promises she is making in return for people's donations are just absurd and totally unworkable (and surely she knows this, she goes to the big events and knows the restrictions on entering stables etc.). But also, this horse has done very little, and although he may be showing a lot of talent when you ride him that suggests he could be a 4* horse, it is a looooooong way off of that. What if the horse is proven not be capable of 4* and only gets to say 2*, she would sell him (most likely to a junior/YR for A LOT of money) and then who gets the money from that sale... her (I presume) and that just seems wrong to me.

I also have a feeling that if this all goes through and she does secure the funds through crowdfunding, it may create a precedent for this and that is something that I am not totally comfortable with.
 
Can't believe this is a thing, how can she have the cheek?

Also think it's a bit premature to move in with your boyfriend aged 19, can see she might move home sooner than she thinks. But that's probably just me being an old misery!
 
stencilface said:
Can't believe this is a thing, how can she have the cheek?

Also think it's a bit premature to move in with your boyfriend aged 19, can see she might move home sooner than she thinks. But that's probably just me being an old misery!
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I was so surprised you thought she was only 19 I looked it up, she was born 1996 according to H&H.
 
Zero00000 said:
If people are happy to give their money to these causes, who cares?
It's not hurting anyone
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Absolutely agree, but people are allowed to have an opinion about it, which is all that has been expressed on this thread I think...

ETA: it should however be made clear to people that they effectively get nothing in return. If people think that they are actually buying something then that is fraud... Which is illegal
 
stencilface said:
I read it somewhere sorry. 22 isn't much older though! Told you I was an old misery
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If you recently read an article from three years ago, and didn't see any publication date (easy to miss, even if there is a date given), then it's easy to imagine she's 19. It's not like in her photos nowadays you can see instantly that she's 22 rather than 19.



ycbm said:
Because the just giving page is fraudulent. She cannot supply what she is promising.
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Maybe she plans a career in politics, if riding doesn't pan out.
 
ycbm said:
Because the just giving page is fraudulent. She cannot supply what she is promising.
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That’s way overstating it you would have to be able to prove it’s her intent to defraud and I think you would struggle to do that .

What do I think ? You can’t blame her for trying ! I am certainly not outraged would I give any money no way but then I found all the woe is me I am going to lose my horse thing with JE very distasteful, when basically they had found a way for the owner to cash in the horse without him losing it .
The clue in all this is in the word owner , professional event riders have very very lucky lives ,to ride and for a living and have others pay you to do it is the most incredible privilege but most them won’t own the horses losing them is part of the life
 
Goldenstar said:
That’s way overstating it you would have to be able to prove it’s her intent to defraud and I think you would struggle to do that .

What do I think ? You can’t blame her for trying ! I am certainly not outraged would I give any money no way but then I found all the woe is me I am going to lose my horse thing with JE very distasteful, when basically they had found a way for the owner to cash in the horse without him losing it .
The clue in all this is in the word owner , professional event riders have very very lucky lives ,to ride and for a living and have others pay you to do it is the most incredible privilege but most them won’t own the horses losing them is part of the life
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I agree that no one has to donate, but it is obviously not correct to say that people can make a stale visit at ALL his future events, when access won't be available at the most desirable ones. I think that one she simply can't provide what she promises, and at her level she will know about stable access rules.

The other claims may well be possible to do. For example, I can't see 2,000 people turning up to see a horse in the car park at Novice! One or two in a season is much more likely. She is not promising a course walk other than at his "big" events, so I guess CCI*** and above, which he may well never get to. Even if he does, I don't suppose 2,000 people would come, (travel, buy tickets, arrive at the start point at the appropriate time) and if 100 did come she would be able to accommodate that.

As for a yard visit, again, how many people would travel to Cheshire on the same day? It does not say when you like either, so she could legitimately say that on, say, the 17 February 2018 she is offering the yard visit, as promised. I think she is safe there.

But, the promise of (quoted from her Facebook post) - Be able to see him at the lorry/ stables at ALL of his competitions and see how everything works behind the scenes - I think that is not something she can promise.

As a business model, if she only promised things she could deliver on, I don't think it is such a bad idea. If it were "up to 3 course walks at an event where I am competing" then I would be there £20 in hand, probably for a BE90! But tying the course walk to where that particular horse is competing at a 'big' event, where he may or may not get there does not interest me. The only thing to irritate me is the one claim that she can't make good on. I would make a special trip to Badminton to have a stables visit if she could swing it!
 
Goldenstar said:
That’s way overstating it you would have to be able to prove it’s her intent to defraud and I think you would struggle to do that .
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We're not talking about her being prosecuted and it standing up in a court of law. She knows she cannot deliver what she is promising re course walks and stables visits at major events to more than a handful of people.
 
Notimetoride said:
Oh no, did she take one of the most expensive items in the shop. Bet the owner was crying. (Though she did say have whatever you want. Ooooops!) I would never have taken the most expensive thing - surely you'd go for something middle of the road or below ?
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God having watched that video now she is such a spoilt little madam. Hope she wins nothing big to be honest, there are others that deserve it more.
 
xDundryx said:
https://youtu.be/aJ8eS7TTxDI link!
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Couldn't watch more than the first few minutes, after she'd gone through the list of stuff she'd got for free, then went into the jewellery shop, then we saw her hippie lifestyle charabanc.

Surely if she's that good, wouldn't the owner will just give her the horse on free loan to prove its value, then sell it out from under her later?

I think I'm just going to unsubscribe from this thread now, before I get too annoyed at the spoilt little brat.
 
I guess it’s up to each individual as to whether they fall for it, but it doesn’t seem quite right when you have your own income and sponsors and owners.

A couple of friends suggested to me that I should start a crowdfunding thingy to pay for my medical treatment if I can’t get it on the NHS (approx £1000 a month) but there is just no way. (For one thing I’m not that popular!) but for another why on earth should anyone else have to fork out their hard earned cash to help me out when I have my own job and savings, and when there are people and charities out there far more deserving. I would rather go without treatment.
 
I doubt very much she will raise the funds unless she can attract a very big sponsor or raise her profile through this and find a owner or syndicate to back her.

She has not even got the spelling of the horse's name correct on the crowd funding page, so I am not sure how much thought has gone into it, possibly a last minute attempt to raise funds. Just giving take 5% of donations made so that has to be taken into consideration when thinking about how much money she would need to raise.

She is a young girl probably doing this without her mothers backing or without advice from someone with a more realistic outlook.

Her partner appears to be 20 so unless he has had a big inheritance then he probably does not own the property where he keeps the horses.
 
Notimetoride said:
Oh no, did she take one of the most expensive items in the shop. Bet the owner was crying. (Though she did say have whatever you want. Ooooops!) I would never have taken the most expensive thing - surely you'd go for something middle of the road or below ?
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Made me cringe so much my teeth hurt!!!!!!
 
SO1 said:
I doubt very much she will raise the funds unless she can attract a very big sponsor or raise her profile through this and find a owner or syndicate to back her.
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£24,000 has been raised already, I have a horrible feeling she might actually raise it...
 
I succumbed and watched the clip - yes she plays the spoilt little brat very well, I do wonder who she is trying to emulate? I did assume the programme was made before the 4* horse that probably made up 50% of the £1 million value her horses was broken.....
 
SO1 said:
I doubt very much she will raise the funds unless she can attract a very big sponsor or raise her profile through this and find a owner or syndicate to back her.

She has not even got the spelling of the horse's name correct on the crowd funding page, so I am not sure how much thought has gone into it, possibly a last minute attempt to raise funds. Just giving take 5% of donations made so that has to be taken into consideration when thinking about how much money she would need to raise.

She is a young girl probably doing this without her mothers backing or without advice from someone with a more realistic outlook.

Her partner appears to be 20 so unless he has had a big inheritance then he probably does not own the property where he keeps the horses.
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Bank of Mum and Dad - his father owns Boss Horseboxes and he is based at home in Cheshire.
 
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