Feeling anxious and uneasy......is it me or is this all a bit odd?

Perfect_Pirouette said:
Get your facts right people. I did have a contract, they signed the contract. NO, I didn't get a deposit, my bad.

I haven't bought another horse, I have a competition horse on loan from my trainer.

I would rather PTS then keep passing him from pillar to post. He has been on 6 different yards in the past 18 months. (3 of them with me which is my fault as I moved, took him with me, then moved back but moved him to a livery yard when I moved him back rathr than back to my next door neighbours.
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Okay, well prob best if you warn trainer that horse may have to return at short notice.
I hadn't seen that fact when I posted about getting another horse so quickly, hence me mentioning I had a loaner while my other one is away, and that IS on a short notice for return if needs must.
Please dont jump down my throat, I know you are stressed but some of us were only going on the info given.

Right, phone them up & tell them what is happening:
1: they pay via BACS today
or
2. They arrange a transported to collect tomorrow & return horse to you.

Hope you get it sorted out
 
He sounds easy enough to sell or full loan. Not being good with big traffic isn't uncommon, and is manageable even if you don't have off road hacking.
Don't quite understand why you would PTS especially as you can afford to keep a horse.

Maybe sit back and wait to hear back and in the meantime consider what sort of people your buyers are. Have they acted in a calculated way to get a free horse or are they perhaps getting cold feet about their ability to offer a forever home? If you think they are basically decent you could see whether they would loan him long term, that may give them the comfort they need to go for it. If deep down you think they are chancers take him back and re advertise.

A safe kind horse should find a home easily. But in future make sure you take a deposit.
 
Perfect_Pirouette said:
I can't ring as at work and boss is around but do you think I should text her telling her how upset and disappointed I am or just wait to hear from them?
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No. deep breath - that can be said face to face when they return the horse.
Make sure they pay for the return.

Probably a little naieve on your part to automatically assume a 2 week trial was a done deal on selling the horse tbh.
 
What a pain!

And breathe! I would wait until tonight then ring them and ask what is going on. It all seems rude more than anything, how long does it take to let you know either way! Like you have said they have signed a contract so atleast thats something! If they dont get back to you then I would let them know you will be collecting the horse at xx time and day.
 
Definitely don't text them! They don't care and they don't want him or this wouldn't be happening.Would your trainer perhaps pick him up for you or someone at your yard for a bit of diesel and a tenner or a return favour??
I'd be organising that.
Then I'd call and say I'm picking him up xyz.
It's lovely weather he'll be very happy going into a field, stick an advert on today and he could be sold really quickly.
There is no panic. Just a bit of organising which is a pain in the a-hole but not the end of the world.
 
ihatework said:
No. deep breath - that can be said face to face when they return the horse.
Make sure they pay for the return.

Probably a little naieve on your part to automatically assume a 2 week trial was a done deal on selling the horse tbh.
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They said to me that they only wanted the 2 week trial because of any potential lameness issues due to the arthritis. That was the only reason they said. I knew there wouldn't be any issues re that and didn't think at all it was a done deal but after being there for nearly a week and having texts saying how lovely he is, how they've been having lovely rides and it seemed like he had been there years etc, yes I suppose I did think they would probably buy him.
 
Perfect_Pirouette said:
I can't ring as at work and boss is around but do you think I should text her telling her how upset and disappointed I am or just wait to hear from them?
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1) get on facebook, preloved etc and find someone with a trailer/lorry that is available tomorrow
2) do not contact them! if you do not hear from them by 9pm tonight tell person with trailer that everything is going ahead
3) text them saying "I assume you do not want him, I will be collecting him tomorrow and will invoice you as stated in contract"
4) Get him home, put him on grass livery or where ever you can find space, then go from there
 
Hey pp I have been following your thread.

I really wouldn't start firing off texts etc as much as its tempting now and you are angry. They may turn round and say they are having him yet and you could blow that with an angry text.

Take a step back and try not to worry. I know its a horrible position to be in and you must be very upset.

Wait untill tonight and if no further contact then call them and be firm. Let them know you will collect him asap and then bill them for the cost.

He sounds lovely and if I didn't have my boy he would be exactly what I would want. There are plenty of people who love a quiet horse to hack so just try to keep calm xxxxx
 
Don't get too emotional. Was there a deadline in contract for returning the horse? Be firm with them, if they passed the deadline tell them horse has to be returned asap (and give time of your convenience) or they'll have to pay for him in full. It's not the end of the world if horse is moved as well, particularly since he sounds like a laid back chap.
Put it down to experience and then decide what you are going to do with the horse once you have a clear mindset. They don't really sound like a good home TBH.
 
Okay so throwing this thread off on another tangent here because quite frankly I need some help.

IF your horse had been on 6 different yards in the past year (a few of them being to previous owner too) was 13 and had health issues. WOULD you, yes or no, risk him going to yet another new place?

I would not do PTS lightly. But I am terrified of him ending up in the wrong hands or being passed from pillar to post and surely PTS is a better fate than that?!
 
Perfect_Pirouette said:
Okay so throwing this thread off on another tangent here because quite frankly I need some help.

IF your horse had been on 6 different yards in the past year (a few of them being to previous owner too) was 13 and had health issues. WOULD you, yes or no, risk him going to yet another new place?

I would not do PTS lightly. But I am terrified of him ending up in the wrong hands or being passed from pillar to post and surely PTS is a better fate than that?!
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I think you are bing way too hasty.

Just wait and see how this pans out first before you start thinking about putting your horse to sleep.
 
He is only 13 and hasn't been passed from pillar to post, he has moved yards a few times.

I am struggling to see why you would PTS when you could sell, loan or part loan him.
 
horselessb said:
1) get on facebook, preloved etc and find someone with a trailer/lorry that is available tomorrow
2) do not contact them! if you do not hear from them by 9pm tonight tell person with trailer that everything is going ahead
3) text them saying "I assume you do not want him, I will be collecting him tomorrow and will invoice you as stated in contract"
4) Get him home, put him on grass livery or where ever you can find space, then go from there
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No way should PP do this the contract states its up to them to return the horse at their cost and if I where her I would hold them to that.
 
Obviously nothing will be decided until all this is sorted and HOPEFULLY they will go ahead with the sale.

BUT, if not I do need to start thinking about what is best for my horse.
 
Perfect_Pirouette said:
Okay so throwing this thread off on another tangent here because quite frankly I need some help.

IF your horse had been on 6 different yards in the past year (a few of them being to previous owner too) was 13 and had health issues. WOULD you, yes or no, risk him going to yet another new place?

I would not do PTS lightly. But I am terrified of him ending up in the wrong hands or being passed from pillar to post and surely PTS is a better fate than that?!
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PP I sympathise with you entirely.

Yes, personally I would. But I would be very, very sure that said home was the right home. Easier said than done possibly.

Keep him with you, find a loaner/sharer with the long term plan of them taking him on fully. The loan or share will temporarily help you financially and also let you see if the person is right. You could then take it one step at a time until you are completely happy. Even a sharer is better than a dead horse in my eyes....
 
I would stay calm, if they don't call this eve then call them and ask for an answer. You can then tell them how you feel.

If they return him at their cost I would arrange grass livery where you are or see if you can split your field where you are in haf for both horses.

I wouldn't allow then to turn up tomorrow night with him, unless you think he is in danger then I would make them wait until the weekend.

Then re advertise him to be ridden or trialled at the yard your now on , if he leaves the yard its once he is sold.

Everything happens for a reason, you can say "if only" "I should have" but it something you will learn from.

Also why are they not sure, if he hasn't done anything wrong is it money ?? Worth asking as whist they have him its not costing you. Would they like another two weeks trial and you can still advertise him ?
 
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The cynic in me says they wanted the trial because you were offering, and delivering, a nice free horse! But I am notoriously cynical. People know very well whether they want and can afford a second horse. You don't go out and lift one to find that out. Unfortunately you've just made the mistake of being a genuine honest person (my husband's like you, drives me round the bend :D). Contract or not you can't force them to have him. They have the horse and their money, there's no incentive to buy. I suspect they'll keep him, for free, until you go and get him. You'll get promise after promise and excuse after excuse. It sucks and it's wrong but not uncommon. I loathe people like that and it's so insulting to decent people but there's nothing you can do and they certainly won't care if you're upset. I think you'll just have to organise transport and take it on the chin unless you're happy just to give him away to them. Next time no free trials, listen to the HHO oracle, much knowledge they have.

Or... they'll phone you later and it'll all be fine. Which is perfectly possible.
 
OP, easy for me to say and I feel so, so sorry for you, but calm down. Don't even think about PTS yet, there are people who would want him, you're just unfortunate that you're obviously a nice person and trusting and these people who took him aren't. But not everyone is like that. They've done you over, had him for a free ride over a few weeks, but that just says what they're like. You're better than that, so don't lower yourself to screaming, shouting and swearing at them. Go and get him, tonight or tomorrow, then get him advertised, or look for a part share.
Honestly, he sounds good- mild arthiritis, but is sound, that would not put me off if he's as good as you say in other ways. Lots of people who want a happy hacker would be more than happy and snatch your hand off to take him. You've just been incredibly unfortunate with people who are just timewasters. Don't upset yourself over them, easy for me to say, but its really not worth it. I hope that you are ok, I'd be acting the same as you if I was in your position, it's just cruel, but it can be resolved. xx
 
bluntly?

I would keep him. if he has a good quality of life which he seems to have.

If the six yards have been loan homes then the judgement of getting the home right clearly isnt there. if they have just been livery yards with his owner then thats not really relevant if he is as laid back as you say. If you had an issue with the number of yards he had been on previously then why agree to a trial when there was a chance he could be returned

Like I said before its desperately sad for you and your frustration is evident but he needs you right now and this isnt time for snap decisions
 
Hmmm, what is the reason for the 6 yard moves? Does he seem upset or happy in himself.
He's a horse, if he's pain free, has food, water and is safe he's fine.
Think of it this way... there could be a person out there right now who is wanting a horse just like him, who will give him love and get immense happiness from him. What about denying someone that?!
Most horses end up in nice homes not horrid ones. It's the more difficult horses you have to watch, with quirks that ordinary riders cannot cope with. That doesn't sound like your boy...
 
I would not pts. I would bring him home and see how he is. You can asses the situation then. It doesn't sound like this move has bothered him too much as he has behaved perfectly for them.

Just try not to panic too much. I now its hard as I would be stressing like you are too!!
 
taylorsxmummy said:
I don't understand why you would PTS a perfectly good horse because you don't want to have to send him to a new forever home? Pull yourself together, readvertise. He probs I won't be with you long before he's snapped up by someone who really wants him.

Ps why would you by another horse before its final that the one you've got is deffo sold?
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This sorry, I know you are upset currently, but honestly, put him to sleep just because you have made a mistake?? I would have thought if you were allowing a horse to go on trial for two weeks a hefty non-refundable deposit would have been the first thing to get. This has allowed these people to pee you about and it is not the horse's fault. If anyone has to go it should be your competition horse, whilst you sort your first boy into a suitable home. There are people out there, you may have to drop the price, but at least he can go to a good home and then you can sort yourself with a new horse.

Can't ruddy put to sleep a healthy horse just because you have another! :mad:

edited to add, no more trials, no more loans, sell him to a good home!
 
Is the only health issue mild arthritus?

If so, personally I would keep the horse and tailor it's workload to what it was capable of. This is what I have done with my horse, I have put aside any serious competitive ambitions until I am in a position to have another horse that can do more. As I want to guarantee his future.

But fingers crossed you wont have to make this decsion and they will take him. Good luck.
 
PP you poor thing!! I have been following this thread too and I think we have all had our fingers crossed that it was just flakiness on their side...

It is so easy to send a spiteful message in the heat of the moment (ask my ex boyfriends!!) but it won't achieve anything and you sound like me, in that you'd regret it 2 minutes later.

I would probably have assumed the exact same thing as you; if they'd told you they loved having him, he was exactly what they wanted etc of course you'd anticipate it would all go through with no probs. That said, look at it in a positive light- better to know now that they weren't ready to be a forever home than 2 months done the line when you have no control over the situation.

Call them this evening and ask them to arrange for him to be delivered back. He sounds like a lovely, mellow chap and I am sure he will cope fine with another move. Plus they are all much more chilled out at this time of year with good grass and sun on their backs.

Start advertising him straight away and count yourself lucky that you have about 40 people on here racking their brains for a new home for him too!!

And if all else fails....get yourself a big 99 icecream!:) xxxx
 
Gawd, I hope they realise what tits they are and ring and say they'll have him, if not it is up to them to return him? If so it could give you a bit breathing space to find a grass livery spot (day or two) and then try and find another home for him. Your current yard might take him back for a short period of time as grass livery?

I worry about my boys moving yards but they settle quicker than you think and once they are happy with their human/food etc they take to it fine and I'd rather they were given another chance than pts if possible. You know the horse and your situation but deep breaths and fingers crossed.
 
If you are really worried about his long term future - the only way to secure that is to keep ownership of him and loan him out. How would you feel if you sold him and then in a few months found out he'd been sold on again?

A loan home might be less worried about his health issues - as they will just send him back if there is a problem and then you can have the PTS debate.
 
He has settled in 2 weeks in a new place with new people.
So moving again to nice understanding people and to a nice forever home he will soon settle.

Don't rush into anything.

Call them tonight for a final decision and arrangements.
 
fatpiggy said:
make sure you badmouth them to the widest audience possible. It may help to prevent them trying it on with someone else, but if nothing else, you will feel infinitely better for it :)
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Sorry, I think that's seriously bad advice.

"Badmouthing" only reflects badly on the person doing it, IMO. Yes, these people let PP down, but what they did was take a horse on trial, and not buy at the end of it. The reason they gave is very poor, but hardly an excuse to spread malice about them.

I don't think badmouthing makes anyone feel "infinitely better" in the long run. Much better to let the anger go and be the bigger person than end up with a reputation as a bitter, bitchy gossip. :mad:
 
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