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Tarragon said:
I have just watched the Buster video and can see what you more knowledgeable spotted, and once seen, it seems so obvious! I do learn lots on this forum.
I can really appreciate that someone looking for a "performance" horse to ride wouldn't want to spend their money on something that can be seen to have an issue now, but Buster looks like such a kind horse, I would love someone to take a punt and leave him to mature and see what happens. The people at fault here are the ones trying to sell him and hoping to get away with it!
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If I was interested I would take a decent instructor plus vet and ask their opinion.He is very young and immature and has had,admittedly,probably a small amount of harsh and incorrect riding.I know from personal experience how damaging that can be.His is only a small amount and it COULD be that correct exercise and schooling could correct that.You do need though a really old fashioned correct rider.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
I wonder if those who pointed out problems they thought they saw with Lari (which I have no knowledge of as I wasn't on here much at that time) had pm'd Birker with their thoughts instead of posting on threads might have been more helpful and constructive. It takes away the slight suggestion of promoting yourself as skillful and knowledgeable for the sake of forum plaudits rather than genuine wish to steer a possible buyer away from disaster?

I think some people will always take the public criticism of their choice of possible new horses as a pop at their expertise, or lack of. Just in case, I absolutely do not refer to your post ycbm, but it did set me thinking. For what it's worth I would always have welcomed your opinion on any horse I thought of buying even if I didn't agree with you! ☺️

Obviously if it is just a general post about a horse, not one seriously being considered for purchase as Lari was, then public discussion is always beneficial I think.
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Tbf they were all taken well/it was a sensible discussion (I went back to check how it had unfolded in case I’d remembered wrong and that everyone was pro)
 
And as a pigeon-toed human who wears her shoes out unevenly and had to wear callipers when I was small to strengthen weak ankles, while never going to win any races I am still capable of a very active and fulfilling life, and feel that there are many horsey equivalents who make very happy and willing riding partners when working within their capabilities. Just don't expect me to win any races or beauty shows! ;-)
 
ester said:
Tbf they were all taken well/it was a sensible discussion (I went back to check how it had unfolded in case I’d remembered wrong and that everyone was pro)
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Sorry I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't, I would not know as I was too busy actually riding my horses back then as opposed to whiling my days away on here as I seem to do now. I was hazarding a guess from this thread's content and should have phrased my post in more general terms rather than about Birker and Lari in particular.
 
Tarragon said:
And as a pigeon-toed human who wears her shoes out unevenly and had to wear callipers when I was small to strengthen weak ankles, while never going to win any races I am still capable of a very active and fulfilling life, and feel that there are many horsey equivalents who make very happy and willing riding partners when working within their capabilities. Just don't expect me to win any races or beauty shows! ;-)
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Absolutely. My old boy was probably serviceable sound.I had him for a number of years and he is now enjoying a well earned retirement.I rode him.The staff used him to nanny young and nervous horses on the road.He did a bit of jumping with someone else and taught someone to ride.
 
Birker2020 said:
Yeah I'd forgotten!
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It could be worse, I forgot my name the other day and stood up in the hospital waiting room when someone with my maiden name got called in. I tried to style it out as standing up to search through my handbag and then get seated more comfortably. I don't think I fooled anyone¬! 🤭 😂
 

Buying a better horse than you actually need

I've been to three viewings now and apart from the first one which was a nice quality horse (but had potential lameness/neuro issues) I've decided to up my budget in order to purchase the type of horse similar to the one I lost. To give you an idea she was a big moving warmblood with nice...
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ester said:

Buying a better horse than you actually need

I've been to three viewings now and apart from the first one which was a nice quality horse (but had potential lameness/neuro issues) I've decided to up my budget in order to purchase the type of horse similar to the one I lost. To give you an idea she was a big moving warmblood with nice...
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Aw thanks, it seems such a long time ago now. 😀

Yes some comments suggesting that the horse had been jumping at a higher level previously and not near the time of the sale but then that's not always a cause for concern.

I bought a Grade B that had been jumping Speed classes 1.30m and 1.40m abroad. I put an ad in Your Horse and traced his former groom and was in receipt of his BSJA record too. He'd reached a level where he couldn't go any bigger, maybe he was sour, who knows. I bought him from a dealer and he was one of the best horses I ever owned but at the time I was only confident jumping 2ft 3. If I'd have sold him people may have asked the same questions.

I don't know. I thought wholeheartedly the vet would mop up any mistakes in terms of physical issues. That didn't happen.
 
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Birker2020 said:
Aw thanks, it seems such a long time ago now. 😀

Yes some comments suggesting that the horse had been jumping at a higher level previously and not near the time of the sale but then that's not always a cause for concern.

I bought a Grade B that had been jumping Speed classes 1.30m and 1.40m abroad. I put an ad in Your Horse and traced his former groom and was in receipt of his BDJA record too. He'd reached a level where he couldn't go any bigger, maybe he was sour, who knows. I bought him from a dealer and he was one of the best horses I ever owned but at the time I was only confident jumping 2ft 3. If I'd have sold him people may have asked the same questions.

I don't know. I thought wholeheartedly the vet would mop up any mistakes in terms of physical issues. That didn't happen.
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yes and I don't think anyone would comment once you've said you're getting a vetting/celebrating that he passed that would be pretty mean even for here!
 
Tiddlypom said:
That’s my recollection, too.

I can think of one very astute HHOer in particular whose opinion is always worth listening to, she advised against. Not that there aren’t other very astute HHOers, but that one stuck in my mind.
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I remember the thread at the time, there were red flags on the video but unfortunately I don't think any adverse comments would have been listened to. There was too much desperation to buy a horse.
 
I'm failing to see how its in any way relevant what people did or didn't say about Lari prior to purchase, I also don't think its fair, considering how it turned out and how much heartache was involved, to actually bring it up at all - why anyone feels the need to justify their eye by doing the whole 'well I told you so' routine I don't know. It also bears no relevance to the future purchase of horse, nor the enjoyable and informative discussion about current adverts.

Birker will buy what she buys, she has a decent enough eye compared to some, clearly knows how it all works as has bought a few and trusted a vet, much as we all have, it all went wrong. I don't see the need to discuss historic decisions and personally I don't feel that we would do the same with any or many other posters who have posted about their new horses, or adverts, or potential new horses on here at one time when there has been lots of heartache and disappointment involved subsequently.
 
I only brought it up because birker said everyone was positive until post purchase which I didn't recall was the case. I had no plan to share the thread until B shared a couple of others. I do think it's a good example of how we can all (as a collective) get a bit excited when a new horse might be on the horizon. I genuinely think that people just want to do their best to ensure birker is in a better position this time round having gone through the journey with her and the heart ache she has had.
 
Birker2020 said:
He was 11 in the May 2021and I bought him in October of the same year.

He was advertised as £15,000 initially but I'd had my eye on him for a couple of weeks and asked the seller if she'd consider selling him for 12.5k as that was all the budget I had at the time.

He had been sold for £19,500 in 2016 as advert below. He'd been round Hickstead 5yr old qualifier class doing a double clear.

If you look on YouTube under Happy as Lari there are plenty of videos, one of the videos does feature the Hickstead round half way through an arena jumping video, or it was on there, not sure if it's been taken off now.

Unfortunately this video only came to light after I'd bought him. YOu can clearly see this strange right hind movement and it 'slip'. It's at 1.12 seconds or thereabouts.


Please note that Lambley House were not the people who sold him to me.

Sorry don't mean to hijack post OP
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I must be really out of touch because I can't believe that horse was £20k and 9 years ago before prices shot up. And highlighted the fact that I've got absolutely no chance of ever buying a nice, useful horse ever again, it'll be crocks, dodges and oldies only!

I genuinely do wish you the best of luck, B.
 
ester said:
I genuinely think that people just want to do their best to ensure birker is in a better position this time round having gone through the journey with her and the heart ache she has had.
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Some have good intentions yes, but I feel like *some* posters (not you Ester) think that they can speak to Birker in whatever way they see fit, which is usually condescending, presumptuous and quite honestly rude, and would probably cite some historic and entirely unrelated contentious post she has made as the reason they feel justified in doing so, and to be honest I am sick to the back teeth of reading the same posters jump down the same throats all the time, irrespective of who it may be.

One rule for one and one rule for another on this forum at times.
 
Birker ….can C not pull in any favours from his SRC days - either for people to accompany you on second viewings or at least to run videos by? I am guessing that GK is the physio you refer to …. More than one set of pro eyes can be useful! Just saying. Also, if god forbid you are still looking in the early autumn, please give Vere Phillips a ring. He buys in ‘hunters’ then post Dublin, many of which will have more substance than his usual event type. All will be capable of 1.20+
 
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AShetlandBitMeOnce said:
Some have good intentions yes, but I feel like *some* posters (not you Ester) think that they can speak to Birker in whatever way they see fit, which is usually condescending, presumptuous and quite honestly rude, and would probably cite some historic and entirely unrelated contentious post she has made as the reason they feel justified in doing so, and to be honest I am sick to the back teeth of reading the same posters jump down the same throats all the time, irrespective of who it may be.

One rule for one and one rule for another on this forum at times.
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Thank you.
I've tried to say this numerous times but keep getting told I'm 'playing the victim' which is so unfair.
 
gunnergundog said:
Birker ….can C not pull in any favours from his SRC days - either for people to accompany you on second viewings or at least to run videos by? I am guessing that GK is the physio you refer to …. More than one set of pro eyes can be useful! Just saying. Also, if god forbid you are still looking in the early autumn, please give Vere Phillips a ring. He buys in ‘hunters’ then post Dublin, many of which will have more substance than his usual event type.
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Nope as he got fired from his role if you remember, allegedly like so many before him (9 staff). That after working there 22 yrs and nearly dying from sepsis and organ failure. Neither of us have ever set foot there again, we don't even drive down the road, it's got too many painful memories for us both. So many wasted years.

One of my previous horses had come via Vere Phillips to a dealer, where i bought him from, although I can't remember which horse it was.

I don't have any other physios that I know or any other professionals I could call upon.
 
Well said @PurBee. This also applies to many other fields / walks of life, so much can be learnt from experience and knowledge on this forum. I'm sure many people on here have learnt from your vast knowledge and experience in your chosen 'fields'.
 
southerncomfort said:
Bit of an unnecessary dig there P555.
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paddy555 said:
I remember the thread at the time, there were red flags on the video but unfortunately I don't think any adverse comments would have been listened to. There was too much desperation to buy a horse.
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Its clever to be wise after the event isn't it?
That's a bit of a nasty thing to say - there wasn't too much desperation to buy a horse at all. Lari was, I think the fouth we'd looked at, one I didn't even bother sitting on after travelling miles to and I'd viewed hundreds on line, made numerous phone calls and followed up dozens of leads and taken four and a half months to find Lari.

There's no 'desperation' this time either, do you think I'd still be looking 18 months later if I was 'desperate'?

I'd be very grateful if you could please tone it down a bit and establish the facts before commenting. 😉
 
I wasn’t suggesting the people that ran SRC, rather the individuals that C met who were competing there and with whom he chatted.

Also, you can not blacklist Vere for a horse that started out with him but which ended up with a dealer down the road. He is one of the straightest I have met AND I have never purchased from him, but that was not for want of trying….but that’s another story!
 
gunnergundog said:
Also, you can not blacklist Vere for a horse that started out with him but which ended up with a dealer down the road.
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Oh I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood me.

I wasn't blacklisting Vere Phillips, or implying anything bad, I just know the name and understand he had owned a previous horse I owned, it may have been my ISH.

.I have NEVER regretted owning any horse I bought from a dealer. Its private I am dubious of. I did put that in a previous reply a few back! 😃
 

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Would the OP consider making her own horse ? this lad is a blank canvass, not expensive, the ID x Cob breeding would be a nice sensible temperament to work with and if he turned out not sporty enough for the OP's needs, he would make good money back to the market with some schooling and having been to a few parties.

He's not flashy, more workman like, confo not bad, maybe a tad short in the neck, looks like plenty of bone. He would be a nice all round type and would have some growing to do yet.

I've finished with horses now but if I was younger I would be on my way to see this chap. He is a type not often seen anymore.
 
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