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marmalade76 said:
I must be really out of touch because I can't believe that horse was £20k and 9 years ago before prices shot up. And highlighted the fact that I've got absolutely no chance of ever buying a nice, useful horse ever again, it'll be crocks, dodges and oldies only!

I genuinely do wish you the best of luck, B.
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He was a very good, consistent horse in his day. He evented BE and was also BSJA with four double clears and some decent dressage results.

Horses that are consistently good and can get a double clear around a 1.20m at Hickstead with good breeding (Larimar) are probably horses that deserve that price tag.
 
AdorableAlice said:

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Would the OP consider making her own horse ? this lad is a blank canvass, not expensive, the ID x Cob breeding would be a nice sensible temperament to work with and if he turned out not sporty enough for the OP's needs, he would make good money back to the market with some schooling and having been to a few parties.

He's not flashy, more workman like, confo not bad, maybe a tad short in the neck, looks like plenty of bone. He would be a nice all round type and would have some growing to do yet.

I've finished with horses now but if I was younger I would be on my way to see this chap. He is a type not often seen anymore.
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He's lovely isn't he?

However I have bravely professed many times previously on the forum that I have neither the patience or the experience needed to bring on a young horse. I know my limits and I just don't feel I am the right candidate for a young horse. There's no shame in that, I'm just being honest.

When I bought my ISH around 1998 he was supposedly six years old but the vet felt he was at least a year younger. That ended in disaster and I vowed I'd never go there again.
 

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Birker2020 said:
He's lovely isn't he?

However I have bravely professed many times previously on the forum that I have neither the patience or the experience needed to bring on a young horse. I know my limits and I just don't feel I am the right candidate for a young horse. There's no shame in that, I'm just being honest.

When I bought my ISH around 1998 he was supposedly six years old but the vet felt he was at least a year younger. That ended in disaster and I vowed I'd never go there again.
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It was just a thought, with that breeding he would take no producing, he was born sensible and with a bit of sensible nagging around for 18 months he will easily be someone’s best friend.
 
AdorableAlice said:
It was just a thought, with that breeding he would take no producing, he was born sensible and with a bit of sensible nagging around for 18 months he will easily be someone’s best friend.
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Excuse my ignorance but does he not have a rather post legged conformation on his hind legs though which can be indicative of or make him more liable to PSD?

A hock angle of more than 165 degrees is meant to be a warning sign apparently.
 
Birker2020 said:
Excuse my ignorance but does he not have a rather post legged conformation on his hind legs though which can be indicative of or make him more liable to PSD?

A hock angle of more than 165 degrees is meant to be a warning sign apparently.
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It’s a cheap youngster with 50% cob in it. If you want perfect confo and elite performance it’s not the horse for you. Photos are often misleading and he has every chance of being fun for someone. He is also more likely to be far more honest and easier than any warmblood and cheaper to keep.

I hope he finds a nice home in the future and equally I hope you find a suitable horse.
 
AdorableAlice said:
It’s a cheap youngster with 50% cob in it. If you want perfect confo and elite performance it’s not the horse for you. Photos are often misleading and he has every chance of being fun for someone. He is also more likely to be far more honest and easier than any warmblood and cheaper to keep.

I hope he finds a nice home in the future and equally I hope you find a suitable horse.
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I don't want perfect conformation but equally I don't want to set myself up with a problem either.

I do realise the horse I viewed the other day had a hunters bump but the photos online didn't show it in quite as much detail as became evident when we viewed it. And you couldn't see from the video.

Lari was poorly muscled and I guess I should have questioned why. And even more the vet.

But that said a great deal of horses that compete successfully aren't particuarly ridden in such a way that improves their topline so it's not really indicative of an issue. I'm not saying I'd do any better. There was never a hunters bump with Lari strangely
 

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AdorableAlice said:
It’s a cheap youngster with 50% cob in it. If you want perfect confo and elite performance it’s not the horse for you. Photos are often misleading and he has every chance of being fun for someone. He is also more likely to be far more honest and easier than any warmblood and cheaper to keep.

I hope he finds a nice home in the future and equally I hope you find a suitable horse.
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'Nervous around new people' and 'suit someone with a calm approach'. That surely rings alarm bells when it's a dealer selling a unbacked 4yr old that would be worth a lot more under saddle?
 
TheMule said:
'Nervous around new people' and 'suit someone with a calm approach'. That surely rings alarm bells when it's a dealer selling a unbacked 4yr old that would be worth a lot more under saddle?
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Yes, if you are a nervous or novice potential purchaser, no if you have been around youngstock, he is rising 4 and needs time to grow on. It would be more concerning if it was broken coming with that description?
TheMule said:
'Nervous around new people' and 'suit someone with a calm approach'. That surely rings alarm bells when it's a dealer selling a unbacked 4yr old that would be worth a lot more under saddle?
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AdorableAlice said:

'' Bay Gelding Young Sport Horse - sold

Young Sport Horse Horse For Sale in for sale in Cheshire. Search and browse thousands of Young Sport Horses For Sale ads on Horsemart today!
www.horsemart.co.uk

Would the OP consider making her own horse ? this lad is a blank canvass, not expensive, the ID x Cob breeding would be a nice sensible temperament to work with and if he turned out not sporty enough for the OP's needs, he would make good money back to the market with some schooling and having been to a few parties.

He's not flashy, more workman like, confo not bad, maybe a tad short in the neck, looks like plenty of bone. He would be a nice all round type and would have some growing to do yet.

I've finished with horses now but if I was younger I would be on my way to see this chap. He is a type not often seen anymore.
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Hes going to need to do a fair bit more maturing and growing before he's up to any weight, so would be a long expensive slog for Birker paying others to do the work.
 
AdorableAlice said:
Yes, if you are a nervous or novice potential purchaser, no if you have been around youngstock, he is rising 4 and needs time to grow on. It would be more concerning if it was broken coming with that description?
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There could be any number of reasons why he hasn't been backed and if I was interested I would ring up and ask.Some people prefer to do their own backing or send them to someone they trust.My mare was only 4 when I bought her and very green as the dealer told me.She is very quiet and level headed though and also very bold.There is not much that scares her.When I went to try her a tractor went past the school at speed with a trailer on the back and a dead sheep bouncing round.The biggest problem I have had is finding a genuinely decent trainer to help me and I knew I would have to budget for that.Her sorry though,once they get going,no one sells them.I am told she would sell on our yard if I wanted to.
 
I'm Dun said:
Hes going to need to do a fair bit more maturing and growing before he's up to any weight, so would be a long expensive slog for Birker paying others to do the work.
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And, his type fully produced and safe will be 14k not 4K at 7 or 8 years of age with a few prelim tests and a few clear rounds and hunting mornings under his belt.

It’s really interesting to see the differing view and thoughts on assessing horses. I’ve a 13 year old huge cob type that if marketed would have to have the same comment as this young horse regarding needing calm and confident handling. Some may remember his journey on the forum. He’s kind and very safe but still no mugs companion .
 
I'm Dun said:
Hes going to need to do a fair bit more maturing and growing before he's up to any weight, so would be a long expensive slog for Birker paying others to do the work.
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Coming from someone who used to ride overweight? One rule for one and all that! 😉

But yes maybe.
 
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AdorableAlice said:
And, his type fully produced and safe will be 14k not 4K at 7 or 8 years of age with a few prelim tests and a few clear rounds and hunting mornings under his belt.

It’s really interesting to see the differing view and thoughts on assessing horses. I’ve a 13 year old huge cob type that if marketed would have to have the same comment as this young horse regarding needing calm and confident handling. Some may remember his journey on the forum. He’s kind and very safe but still no mugs companion .
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It's been so long ago since I first posted my requirements that I think people have lost sight of what I am looking for.

I had the budget for a 15k horse with money to spare. Then I had to hand in my notice. Since thenI've had to live off my savings and with other unexpected bills to the tune of over £900 my savings have again taken a battering . When I get paid I will be in a position to start looking again but at a lower price so I have a contingency.

At this moment in time I can't contemplate it. Mum is still very poorly in hospital. My partner is recovering from his op and we need to sort out our house sale. I've just started a new job. Too much, my head feels like its going to explode. I crawled into bed at 7pm last night after visiting Mum, having tea, organising lunch for today.
 
CanteringCarrot said:
Are you sure about that? I can't recall, nor can I find the original thread, but I really thought that some things were said prior to the purchase. Not by many, though.

I mean, at this point it doesn't matter anyway, really.
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I’m pretty sure I PM’d Birker at the time as we’d pulled out of viewing Lari due to a few inconsistencies with what the seller had told us, combined with some of the video footage which my vet and trainer at the time both pointed to as being iffy for various reasons. I’d sincerely hoped we were wrong and just being over-cautious after a run of bad luck on my side.
 
Why are people raking over the past? Surely what is done is done? Time to move on people. The horse is crocked and it can’t be undone now.

HHO has always been full of opinions, experts well they are rare on here, probably as rare as the sound horse which is suitable that you are trying to find.

Knowledge is always something you gain after you need it with horses.
 
FestiveFuzz said:
I’m pretty sure I PM’d Birker at the time as we’d pulled out of viewing Lari due to a few inconsistencies with what the seller had told us, combined with some of the video footage which my vet and trainer at the time both pointed to as being iffy for various reasons. I’d sincerely hoped we were wrong and just being over-cautious after a run of bad luck on my side.
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Yes you did. I didn't want to name you on the forum (you were the one I referred to in reply 218) but I took your comments into account and that of your trainer.

I asked my friends and they saw no issues.

However, sadly I thought the vet I'd employed for the vetting would sort out any issues or questions I had if I had decided to proceed.
 
LEC said:
Why are people raking over the past? Surely what is done is done? Time to move on people. The horse is crocked and it can’t be undone now.

HHO has always been full of opinions, experts well they are rare on here, probably as rare as the sound horse which is suitable that you are trying to find.

Knowledge is always something you gain after you need it with horses.
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Exactly.

People should also remember that @Birker2020 is not the only member to have bought (what turned out to be) a crock horse.

Give it a break.
 
Birker2020 said:
It's been so long ago since I first posted my requirements that I think people have lost sight of what I am looking for.

I had the budget for a 15k horse with money to spare. Then I had to hand in my notice. Since thenI've had to live off my savings and with other unexpected bills to the tune of over £900 my savings have again taken a battering . When I get paid I will be in a position to start looking again but at a lower price so I have a contingency.

At this moment in time I can't contemplate it. Mum is still very poorly in hospital. My partner is recovering from his op and we need to sort out our house sale. I've just started a new job. Too much, my head feels like its going to explode. I crawled into bed at 7pm last night after visiting Mum, having tea, organising lunch for today.
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Sorry to hear that Birker.Hope things pick up for you soon.
 
It probably won't be much consolation @Birker2020 but I have a friend going through all the same problems trying to find a horse atm. With the permutations of unhelpful pictures, videos, distance to view, horses being sold just before viewing etc etc it is like playing three-dimensional chess to even get close to vetting one!!

You sound as if you have more than enough issues to deal with right now and I do hope they ease soon - buying a new horse used to be a fun experience so I hope you can break free of some of the problems and enjoy it when you are ready to start looking seriously again.
 
I've also made a very expensive mistake with a horse. I went with my trainer to view and had him vetted, he seemed fine for 2 years until he started ridden work. The first vet who saw him when I knew there was a problem just thought he was a bit lethargic due to a virus.

It's so difficult now, there are so many dishonest people about. Birker is not the only person I know of who has had a horse vetted by a reputable vet who has missed something serious, which meant that the horse was completely written off as a ridden prospect. It also looks like the pro would have had some idea that there was something wrong with the horse as well as the seller. Most horses I viewed were out of the area my own vet would cover so you have to take someone else's recommendation and take your chances.

I live in the same general area as Birker and it's very difficult to get a trainer or any pro to go looking at horses with you. Viewings are often 2 hours away, I travelled 3 hours each way on 2 occasions and trainers just can't block off that amount of time for you, especially if it's a weekend and they are busy teaching. I can hardly find anyone who has the time to turn up for a weekly lesson and it becomes a bigger problem when sellers change the dates / times or cancel, sometimes when you are already travelling.

Good luck @Birker2020 horse buying is a miserable, stressful experience these days.
 
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