Going to view a horse!

[paddy555]

That
Its clever to be wise after the event isn't it?
That's a bit of a nasty thing to say - there wasn't too much desperation to buy a horse at all. Lari was, I think the fouth we'd looked at, one I didn't even bother sitting on after travelling miles to and I'd viewed hundreds on line, made numerous phone calls and followed up dozens of leads and taken four and a half months to find Lari.

There's no 'desperation' this time either, do you think I'd still be looking 18 months later if I was 'desperate'?

I'd be very grateful if you could please tone it down a bit and establish the facts before commenting.

I re read the comments on the thread around the time of purchase. I am not being clever after the event. There were several comments from various people that raised concerns.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I think it is an absolute joke that every thread come back to birkers weight,

Birker knows this, she is actively doing something about it!! It does not need constantly repeated by the same posters who claim to be kind!!!

If there is nothing constructive to say then perhaps zip it!

Old ground does not need dragged over every few pages!!! And it is every few posts someone has a mention of her weight!

Give it a rest!!’

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I think it's an absolute joke that others can tell people what their intentions are or aren't. And to chastise people over "claiming to be kind"...really?

While I agreed not to bring it up again, it doesn't help when I say that I'll drop it yet people will keep digging at me (or others) for ever saying anything about it...instead of you know, dropping it too.

Then we get in this stupid back and forth. Which is partly my fault, don't get me wrong!

Edited:

 

[Birker2020]

I re read the comments on the thread around the time of purchase. I am not being clever after the event. There were several comments from various people that raised concerns.

Yes but to say I bought Lari because I was desperate was very unfair P555. I've always been objective when looking at horses, some might say a little too much at times. I don't let my heart rule my head hence why I didn't buy the horse who had completely shut down. It broke my heart to walk away, but walk away I did.

Nor do I buy the horse who was very smart looking but who I suspected wasn't just unfit but had a wind complaint instead. I could have bought him but I didn't

Furthermore, nor did I buy the horse I initially fell in love with but whose owner seeing my enthusiasm suddenly decided to add £2k to his asking price. I could have bought him but again I wasn't 'desperate'

I was no more buying Lari out of desperation than I was buying any of my other horses. It's an insult to me and it's a insult to my lovely boy to suggest he was bought out of desperation. But it's to be expected the level some people sink to on this forum.

You owe me an apology but I think I stand more chance of meeting the Queen Mum.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I think it's an absolute joke that others can tell people what their intentions are or aren't. And to chastise people over "claiming to be kind"...really?

While I agreed not to bring it up again, it doesn't help when I say that I'll drop it yet people will keep digging at me (or others) for ever saying anything about it...instead of you know, dropping it too.

Then we get in this stupid back and forth. Which is partly my fault, don't get me wrong!

Edited:

Yet you did bring it up again and again…

I rest my case!

Its really unfair on her !

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Yet you did bring it up again and again…

I rest my case!

Its really unfair on her !

I'm glad that you've rested your case. Thank you for your service.

 

[Red-1]

I don't know if this is an insensitive question or not, but if it is I apologise, did the PM return the cause of death? I have never seen a horse drop like that unless its been an aortic rupture and the only ones I have seen of those (N=2) have been fairly understated considering.

Omg I'm so sorry. Was it a congenital issue?

He looked a little off colour so I led him onto the lawn for a pick of grass. He started to stagger on the way there. He then fought to live but collapsed. The PM showed that the inside of that horse looked like a pristine example of what the inside of a horse should look like. Heart and everything was pristine.

The vet concluded a heart failure due to the electrical activity becoming out of sinc. Apparently, it is a thing. If he'd been on an operating table, maybe he could have been brought back and likely would never have had an issue again. Sadly, I had no operating table and horse size defib available.

My point was that this could happen to anyone. Birker has to be comfortable with her choice in case, God forbid, it goes wrong. If straight legs are a concern to her, then straight legs are out. I do believe you have to really want a horse topout up with the ups and downs.

 

[IrishMilo]

Agreed. For me, from that photo of a simple fence in open country on fair-ish ground with a flat approach and getaway, he's not letting go properly with his hind end and has got quite close which suggests some sort of tightness/discomfort. He could have simply been on a close stride, but I'd be expecting the seller to use the best photo to advertise with. For the amount he's stated to have done he looks to lack muscle/tone in his hind end too, which would be another concern for me. These two things, together with the horse stated to not enjoy arena work would put me off/make me question whether there's an issue.

You should offer photo analysis, I'm sure you could save the forum thousands in vet bills... seriously, it's silly comments like this based on absolutely nothing that stops people posting videos on here, which is a massive shame, for fear of being ripped to shreds.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I suppose that I’m one of those posters that is allegedly banging on about the OP’s weight wrt her horse search.

Mea culpa.

Like it or not, rider weight is a factor in what horses are suitable for us to ride. From her own past posts it is very easy to determine what weight Birker currently is. I am the same height as Birker at 5’10” and in the past I have been the same as her current weight, so no judgement from me on getting to that weight. It happens.

Did I ride any horse at that weight? No I did not. I stayed out of the saddle until I had lost several stone. Anyone who thinks that it is bullying to point out that rider weight has to be a factor in what horses we choose to ride needs to give their heads a good wobble.

I will always advocate for the horse, who does not have a choice in the matter. Apart from decking the rider, of course.

If others want to make false platitudes and tell people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear then crack on. I had thought that HHO had a high regard for horse welfare and prioritises it over injured human feelings, but maybe I was wrong.

Birker’s made a start on the weight loss and should be congratulated for that. Just stick at until many more options horse wise are opened up and it’ll be well worth it all round. For various reasons the horse search is on hold anyway so this is the chance to crack on with that.

There is a difference between having concern, and bringing it up at every given opportunity despite the poster in questions awareness of it and multiple threads stating she is doing something about it - you'd honestly think Birker was setting out to buy an 11.2 section A the way you and CC keep banging on.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

You should offer photo analysis, I'm sure you could save the forum thousands in vet bills... seriously, it's silly comments like this based on absolutely nothing that stops people posting videos on here, which is a massive shame, for fear of being ripped to shreds.

Someone once diagnosed a horse with sore suspensories from one still photo on here. The horse did not have "sore suspensories" and sometimes for brief moment in time, horses stand weird. Whether they'd just gotten up, distracted, or were mid hooley. Some might disagree with that I guess?

I do like the input and eyes of others, because they can see some things that I don't, but occasionally, it's a bit much. I no longer post many photos, if at all, on here. I can take criticism, but don't want to entertain wild theories and guesses about my horses hock angle being 1% greater than it should be. I do know that others feel this way too.

I can appreciate coming from a place of caution or concern though.

 

[Birker2020]

He looked a little off colour so I led him onto the lawn for a pick of grass. He started to stagger on the way there. He then fought to live but collapsed. The PM showed that the inside of that horse looked like a pristine example of what the inside of a horse should look like. Heart and everything was pristine.

The vet concluded a heart failure due to the electrical activity becoming out of sinc. Apparently, it is a thing. If he'd been on an operating table, maybe he could have been brought back and likely would never have had an issue again. Sadly, I had no operating table and horse size defib available.

My point was that this could happen to anyone. Birker has to be comfortable with her choice in case, God forbid, it goes wrong.

I too lost a horse with a heart attack. I've mentioned it on this forum a number of times, some of you might remember.

Although after reading a post about a horse who suffered a brain aneurysm it may well have been that, that caused his sudden death as he had flipped over backwards and heavily concussed himself some 12 or so months prior.

I got told he'd had an accident and arrived to find his legs spread wide staggering so the vet was caused. So it may have been a slow brain bleed.

I'm sorry Red-1, sudden unexpected death can be pretty overwhelming. X

 

[CanteringCarrot]

There is a difference between having concern, and bringing it up at every given opportunity despite the poster in questions awareness of it and multiple threads stating she is doing something about it - you'd honestly think Birker was setting out to buy an 11.2 section A the way you and CC keep banging on.

Hey, I'll bang on if I want to bang on...




...I no longer want to bang on.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

Hey, I'll bang on if I want to bang on...




...I no longer want to bang on.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

He looked a little off colour so I led him onto the lawn for a pick of grass. He started to stagger on the way there. He then fought to live but collapsed. The PM showed that the inside of that horse looked like a pristine example of what the inside of a horse should look like. Heart and everything was pristine.

The vet concluded a heart failure due to the electrical activity becoming out of sinc. Apparently, it is a thing. If he'd been on an operating table, maybe he could have been brought back and likely would never have had an issue again. Sadly, I had no operating table and horse size defib available.

My point was that this could happen to anyone. Birker has to be comfortable with her choice in case, God forbid, it goes wrong. If straight legs are a concern to her, then straight legs are out. I do believe you have to really want a horse topout up with the ups and downs.

I haven't ever heard of this before, every day is a school day! So sorry that happened to you.
Just goes to show that you have to make the most of every day you do have with them - horses fragility is second to none, other than perhaps sheep who I have also had terrible luck with.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

How old was Lari when you bought him.

Very wise to avoid potential pitfalls when you have already had a difficult experience.

Eta, sorry I meant to quote Birker.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Edit: no joke

 

[scats]

I think people have different things they will accept with horses, based on their experiences. I won’t entertain anything with straight hocks as I have a mare with PSD and I’m sure as hell not taking any extra risk of this being something I deal with in the future.
Some people won’t entertain a cribber, but I’ve had 2 of them. You get the picture.

People are bound to pick out things that jump out to them based on their experiences. It’s up to the person looking to decide if it’s something that concerns them or not.

 

[Birker2020]

I haven't ever heard of this before, every day is a school day! So sorry that happened to you.
Just goes to show that you have to make the most of every day you do have with them - horses fragility is second to none, other than perhaps sheep who I have also had terrible luck with.

"Sheep die at the drop of a hat". Or so the farmer we know keeps saying.

 

[webble]

"Sheep die at the drop of a hat". Or so the farmer we know keeps saying.

Sheep spend their lives thinking of new and unusual ways to die

 

[Celtic Jewel]

I think it is an absolute joke that every thread come back to birkers weight,

Birker knows this, she is actively doing something about it!! It does not need constantly repeated by the same posters who claim to be kind!!!

If there is nothing constructive to say then perhaps zip it!

Old ground does not need dragged over every few pages!!! And it is every few posts someone has a mention of her weight!

Give it a rest!!’

I thought that was only me that noticed it seriously posters just hit the ignore button if you don’t like the person. Just for a heads up I know someone who got eating disorder for this type of behaviour when they were overweight and nearly died as a result .

 

[Birker2020]

I thought that was only me that noticed it seriously posters just hit the ignore button if you don’t like the person. Just for a heads up I know someone who got eating disorder for this type of behaviour when they were overweight and nearly died as a result .

All the criticism about my weight and the stress and worry about Mum makes me eat more. I'm dreading my weigh in tomorrow, if I can fit it in with another hospital visit that is.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I thought that was only me that noticed it seriously posters just hit the ignore button if you don’t like the person. Just for a heads up I know someone who got eating disorder for this type of behaviour when they were overweight and nearly died as a result .

Absolutely agree

 

[eahotson]

Why? It's about 4 miles outside the box

Matter of opinion

 

[Birker2020]

Matter of opinion

Not really. A six to 12 year old that is sensible over fillers, that can hack out on its own, has no medical history, and that is a bit of a confidence giver IS NOT the same as a rising 4 year old unbacked horse with straight hocks. In anyone's book! Period.

 

[eahotson]

Not really. A six to 12 year old that is sensible over fillers, that can hack out on its own, has no medical history, and that is a bit of a confidence giver IS NOT the same as a rising 4 year old unbacked horse with straight hocks. In anyone's book! Period.

Matter of opinion. It wasn't an instruction only a suggestion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.It was out of the box but might have been worth considering.It has some potential and you wouldn't be buying some else's screw ups.

 

[misst]

I thought Wasn't buying right now??

 

[TheMule]

Matter of opinion. It wasn't an instruction only a suggestion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.It was out of the box but might have been worth considering.It has some potential and you wouldn't be buying some else's screw ups.

Often buying an unbacked 4yr old is the dodgiest time to buy because someone might have tried to back it and failed (which is why the wording of the advert and the fact it’s with a professional who is perfectly capable of backing it is concerning)

 

[Widgeon]

"Sheep die at the drop of a hat". Or so the farmer we know keeps saying.

I don't know.....I reckon it depends on the sheep. Our half dozen Shetlands are tough as old boots. The oldest is 14 now and still first into the feed bucket in the mornings. I guess they're the equivalent of native ponies.

 

[eahotson]

Often buying an unbacked 4yr old is the dodgiest time to buy because someone might have tried to back it and failed (which is why the wording of the advert and the fact it’s with a professional who is perfectly capable of backing it is concerning)

You would need to enquire and if it was me,and he is local to me,I would take my very experienced instructor with me in the first instance.If she was happy and I was happy and happy with the dealers explanation my extremely good vet would be my next port of call.If everyone was happy and I had proper back up then yes I would take a punt,he is cheap enough .
There are no guarantees with horses but my old boy had been screwed up.He was always very safe but stayed sound because of said instructors extremely old fashioned correct schooling which helped a lot.
When I was looking again I discussed this with said instructor and she said a young sound horse with the right temperament was better than other people's screw ups.She had a point.

 

[Clodagh]

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You would need to enquire and if it was me,and he is local to me,I would take my very experienced instructor with me in the first instance.If she was happy and I was happy and happy with the dealers explanation my extremely good vet would be my next port of call.If everyone was happy and I had proper back up then yes I would take a punt,he is cheap enough .
There are no guarantees with horses but my old boy had been screwed up.He was always very safe but stayed sound because of said instructors extremely old fashioned correct schooling which helped a lot.
When I was looking again I discussed this with said instructor and she said a young sound horse with the right temperament was better than other people's screw ups.She had a point.

you buy it then… Birker does not want an unbacked cob.
Blimey oh crikey.