splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
there is a post on the news page about someone beating their horse in the ring, and not at the lower level... if he does that in full view, what does he do in private?
Gordon Elliott
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shortstuff99
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Did anyone mind if he got sacked or did they say it was just a moment of madness?
tristar
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FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
Only because bad eggs exists, I don't label all other eggs as probably inedible.
I've only heard about the jockey video, not seen it, so I won't talk about that, but I've seen the photo, and read an explanation where G.E. was quoted saying his phone rang, and he sat down automatically, because he usually sits down when talking on his phone.
I find it very hard to believe that he would have sat down on the grass verge if the horse hadn't been there. Added to that, I thought it looked as if he did the V sign while the photo was taken. I think the photo looks despicable, but if it actually shows his true attitude towards horses, or if he had a spectacularly stupid moment, I don't know.
But even if it does show his true attitude to horses, I don't know of any foolproof profession, which is 100% safeguarded from that unsuitable persons can't get into the profession. I think it's better that the idiots/unsuitable persons are found out, so that they hopefully can change profession, and like with the eggs I mentioned first, only because some are idiots, usually I still presume that the majority is not.
As for horses dying during training, since anything living sadly can die, at any moment, I hope people realise that it would be more strange if it never happened.
Sometimes it turns out the death is related to what they was doing at the moment (which doesn't need to be under rider related), sometimes it turns out they would have died regardless if they'd been out eating grass in a field, standing in a stable, or something else.
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Cortez
Tough but Fair
Gordon Elliot has not been videoed beating the cr*p out of a live (or dead) horse. The two things do not equate. Sitting on a dead horse is not cruel. Being photographed sitting on one is stupid, but not cruel.
Clodagh
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Lydia Hislop wrote a good piece about the vitriol he has experienced v Davy Russell punching the horse in the head last year, (or year before) which was barely mentioned. Also other situations where cruelty had been carried out on live horses with barely any comment at all.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
no..... i dont suppose he has been that successful if his horses were badly treated....
my post was in response to you saying you had never seen show jumpers being beat in the ring
tristar
Well-Known Member
was referring to the what goes on in private no one knows
not putting the two things in the same perspective, ie beating and sitting on horses obviously
tristar
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Steerpike
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GE banned for a year, 6 month suspended with a €15,000 fine
Elf On A Shelf
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Gordon Elliott has been banned for a year with the last 6 months suspended and has been given a €15,000 fine. The ban starts on March 9th.
He can appeal and I certainly hope he does. This will allow his string to run at Cheltenham and Aintree.
He can appeal and I certainly hope he does. This will allow his string to run at Cheltenham and Aintree.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Good. Should be enough to silence the baying mob and teach him and other gombeens a lesson.
Steerpike
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I really hope he doesn't appeal
Smitty
Well-Known Member
What is a Gombeen?
Cortez
Tough but Fair
The people who work there know, I know people who know people who work there. The stable is known for good standards of care, and the people who work there are some of the best.
neddy man
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G E find €15,000 a one year ban with six months suspend. He has 7 days to appeal but can race horses for up to 14 days from the verdict.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Whoo, well it's a rather specific (and very rude) Irish term, which is sort of on the same spectrum as "cute hoor" - I'm not helping am I?
Ditchjumper2
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12 months ban with last 6 months suspended.
Smitty
Well-Known Member
Well no you're not? Will try Google ... but I think you have given it a task what with chuking in cute hoor ?
meleeka
Well-Known Member
I hope the hate campaign stops now. He’s being punished, fairly harshly I think and that should be the end of it.
Steerpike
Well-Known Member
It looks like he will not appeal and will not have runners at Cheltenham
Crazy_cat_lady
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Be interesting to see what the delightful owner who was so keen to support GE does...
fankino04
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So if he's suspended for 12 months does that just mean his assistant trainer steps up and the yard continues as before under different name or the yard is shut down? I suspect the former with him probably heavily involved in overseeing??
Lady2021
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I read that he was only banned for 6 months.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
I feel sorry for the staff.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Surely if that happens GE can just train as normal, as no one will know, he then just can't physically attend meetings?
AmyMay
Situation normal
This forum has always reacted in outrage to rolkur, beatings and the other examples of mistreatment and cruelty you mention.
The vitriol over Gordon Elliott is simply down to the lack of respect shown to a good servant who died doing what it was asked to do.
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Parrotperson
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Elf. I bow to your superior knowledge. Can his horses run under another trainer's name at Cheltenham and Aintree?
neddy man
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An Irish word meaning involved in lending money at unreasonable high interest rates. A wheeler dealer looking to make a quick profit at someone elses expense or through the acceptance of bribes. (From Google)
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Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
I'm not seeing that much outrage on here about the whip wielding showjumper (who is sitting on a living breathing horse while he physically abuses it).