DabDab
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From memory, when I checked Barking Heads there was Lucerne in there.Have you looked at Barking Heads?
From memory, when I checked Barking Heads there was Lucerne in there.Have you looked at Barking Heads?
https://www.wsava.org/WSAVA/media/Arpita-and-Emma-editorial/Selecting-the-Best-Food-for-your-Pet.pdf
How select a food company according to the World small animal veterinary association.
I can cheat and tell who which companies have put the time, money and expense in and managed to follow those guidelines....
But then I suspect then people will be upset at me for recommending some of the biggest food companies in the world... and will say hows its all a conspiracy to ruin the little guys...again.
Have a read of the Units file on the facebook page. Then reevaluate what you consider good quality food and why.
Marketing is a funny thing...and it amazing how much we can manipulate people with advertising.
Eukanuba, Iams, Royal Canin, Purina, Hill's are the ones I've seen that meet the WSAVA guidelinesCould you please pm me the companies Aru?
Some of the confirmed cases of DCM have normal taurine levels so, no, it isn't all about taurine. It's so hard to know what to do for the best. I see Hill's have grain free foods - are these considered "safe"??
Notably, however, some dogs improved after a diet change from one grain-free diet to another, and this finding, along with the differences identified between dogs fed various BEG diets, suggested that DCM was not necessarily tied to the grain-free status of the diet.
then there's a danger of over reaction & to suddenly think about junking the food that suits your dog based on what we know now is a little extreme... IMO!
I am no overreacting, I am trying to be informed.
Who knows? From what I've read there seems to be some link between diet & DCM in some breeds... however, the link itself is unknown (if it exists at all?) I've had a quick skim through the links posted & one thing caught my eye...
There seems to be some cause for concern but until there is provable evidence that diet related DCM is caused by a)grain free b) legumes c) novel proteins d) other factors (nobody yet knows) then there's a danger of over reaction & to suddenly think about junking the food that suits your dog based on what we know now is a little extreme... IMO!
At the moment no one knows exactly what the mechanism behind this disease process is...but the suggestive link for nutrition is enough for me personally to advise against people feeding these diets, particularly as a sole food...
I am no overreacting, I am trying to be informed.
Why would you do that after admitting "no one knows", which diets would you advise against?
All the articles I can find originate from the USA, I can't find any relating to the UK or Europe? It seems that this isn't a problem on this side of the Atlantic as you stated in post #40.... or Australia, or Canada, just the USA.
If I've missed some then I'll be happy to read any link.
Maybe the fact that Europe has higher standards than the USA when it comes to pet food might have a bearing don't you think? (as you stated in post #40)
I'm sorry if this comes across as argumentative, it's not meant that way but I'm totally exasperated by stuff like this causing real worry for pet owners with no provable evidence whatsoever. IMO the FDA has gone way too early publishing this before they had any real substance.
I wasn't directing any comment at you
I know I'm a lone wolf screaming at the moon in this thread so I'll bow out for now but..... read the info, not the hype! There is nothing reported by any official body in the UK that highlights an issue..... unless you can find one?
Thank you for contacting us. The scare surrounding legumes and their link to cardiomyopathy has originated from the production of some grain free dog foods within the US. These recipes, in order to increase the level of protein within the recipe, increased the proportion of legumes along with peas, soy beans and maize rather than meat and fish sources.
Freshly prepared Lamb (20%), freshly prepared duck (20%), dried duck (18%), sweet potato, potato, dried lamb (5%), dried rabbit (3%), duck fat (3%), pea fibre, lucerne, vitamins, minerals, lamb gravy(1%), dried apple, carrot flakes, spinach flakes, lovage powder, seaweed meal), dried cranberry, aniseed and fenugreek, Glucosamine (175 mg/kg), Methylsulfonylmethane (175 mg/kg), Chondroitin Sulphate (125 mg/kg) , camomile powder, burdock root powder, peppermint, dandelion herb, thyme, marjoram, oregano, parsley, sage
A randomly selected Millies Wolfheart recipe with two of the suspect ingredients in the first five (and proportions much higher than 4th and 5th if you bypass the marketing bumpf of "freshly prepared" which translates to "80% moisture".
Of course, none of the grain free companies is going to say there is a problem - why would they? I think Aru's plan of rotating different feeds from different manufacturers is a sensible one currently
The ingredients list reads like a chemist's recipe:
Dehydrated poultry protein, maize flour, maize, wheat flour, animal fats, wheat, hydrolysed animal proteins, beet pulp, fish oil, minerals, soya oil, yeasts and parts thereof, hydrolysed yeast (source of manno-oligosaccharides (0.05%). Crude ash: 6.1%. Crude fibre: 1.3%. Crude oil fats: 14%. Moisture: 0%. Protein: 25%.
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