lucretia
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puppy was right about what she said about the horse as well. apparently tracy was finding him hard to hold at high levels and passed the ride on.
Harry Meade and Dunauger
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worMy
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Christ almighty, what on earth was he thinking?!
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my thoughts exactly....??
he should deff have retired after the first problem...
however he didnt and luckily it didnt end badly,,he made an error of judegment and lets hope he admits that, appologises and learns his lesson.
Christ almighty, what on earth was he thinking?!
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my thoughts exactly....??
he should deff have retired after the first problem...
however he didnt and luckily it didnt end badly,,he made an error of judegment and lets hope he admits that, appologises and learns his lesson.
connie1288
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But i'm not about to start a witch hunt, I think he will be beating himself up enough after this.
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Totally agree with you Wizoz, a horrific misjudgement.
My only question is: why was he not eliminated already, he had a stop at the dairy mounds part a, then turned at least one circle, then he turned a circle before jumping (or trying) the corner!
But i'm not about to start a witch hunt, I think he will be beating himself up enough after this.
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Totally agree with you Wizoz, a horrific misjudgement.
My only question is: why was he not eliminated already, he had a stop at the dairy mounds part a, then turned at least one circle, then he turned a circle before jumping (or trying) the corner!
kerilli
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Oh dear, just watched it. ****. what was he thinking. the crowd obv thought he was going to retire after the first run out, when he pulled up there was a bit of applause, then he got going again. good generous horse to even try to take off in that state.
jeeeez. terrible judgement.
jeeeez. terrible judgement.
Mickyjoe
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I am shocked that he wasn't pulled up. Surely the stewards could have radioed to the member of the Ground Jury in the control box?
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MJ, see my post up there about why, allegedly, he wasn't stopped....
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Yeah, saw that and was shocked by it. The Ground Jury to my knowledge always are careful to watch out for overly fatigued horses. Was it a case that the stewards didn't relay back the information?
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I am shocked that he wasn't pulled up. Surely the stewards could have radioed to the member of the Ground Jury in the control box?
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MJ, see my post up there about why, allegedly, he wasn't stopped....
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Yeah, saw that and was shocked by it. The Ground Jury to my knowledge always are careful to watch out for overly fatigued horses. Was it a case that the stewards didn't relay back the information?
teapot
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For those who it keeps stopping for - move the white arrow to the right a bit and then click play, it works then
huntinghorse
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if you move the cursor along a bit and press play it should work...
I have just watched and was appalled. If I was the owner I would take the ride away, the horse was not happy after the trout hatchery. Why he didnt retire after the first corner he nearly fell at.
He should have been stopped or even retired when the good old horse had jumped those elements for him. I so feel for the horse, he did not desreve to be ridden or treated that way, he was very honest to do as much up to that point.
A ban should be placed on HM for the way he abused that horse today.
I have just watched and was appalled. If I was the owner I would take the ride away, the horse was not happy after the trout hatchery. Why he didnt retire after the first corner he nearly fell at.
He should have been stopped or even retired when the good old horse had jumped those elements for him. I so feel for the horse, he did not desreve to be ridden or treated that way, he was very honest to do as much up to that point.
A ban should be placed on HM for the way he abused that horse today.
teapot
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Jesus, why did he carry on?
Saf
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Totally shocked, he should have pulled up, very sad day
Starman
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But i'm not about to start a witch hunt, I think he will be beating himself up enough after this.
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Totally agree with you Wizoz, a horrific misjudgement.
My only question is: why was he not eliminated already, he had a stop at the dairy mounds part a, then turned at least one circle, then he turned a circle before jumping (or trying) the corner!
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Apologies for only singling this comment out, but - horrific misjudgement? I really don't think so. I was expecting to see a display of horsemanship resembling Amy Tyron's (or whatever that wench is called), and it's nowhere near. The horse did look tired, but i wouldn't have said it was in an extreme state. The rare times i watch eventing (apologies, but bounces of wood carved into Ducks and the like really isn't my thing) i often see horses who are extremely on the forehand, being held up by the rider, blowing like steam trains... Can barely stomach it some times
Looked to me like Harry wanted to get him over that jump and was then going to call it a day. Sod's law it wasn't as smooth as that.
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But i'm not about to start a witch hunt, I think he will be beating himself up enough after this.
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Totally agree with you Wizoz, a horrific misjudgement.
My only question is: why was he not eliminated already, he had a stop at the dairy mounds part a, then turned at least one circle, then he turned a circle before jumping (or trying) the corner!
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Apologies for only singling this comment out, but - horrific misjudgement? I really don't think so. I was expecting to see a display of horsemanship resembling Amy Tyron's (or whatever that wench is called), and it's nowhere near. The horse did look tired, but i wouldn't have said it was in an extreme state. The rare times i watch eventing (apologies, but bounces of wood carved into Ducks and the like really isn't my thing) i often see horses who are extremely on the forehand, being held up by the rider, blowing like steam trains... Can barely stomach it some times
Looked to me like Harry wanted to get him over that jump and was then going to call it a day. Sod's law it wasn't as smooth as that.
kerilli
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i do feel really sorry for Midnight Dazzler's owners, and for the horse, he's an old boy and prob hasn't got many more big events in him (isn't he 17 or 19?!)
totally agree that a punishment was required though. v lucky the horse flopped into the middle of the fence and didn't try to make it across, tbh.
totally agree that a punishment was required though. v lucky the horse flopped into the middle of the fence and didn't try to make it across, tbh.
Puppy
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My word! I've seen that lovely horse in action many times, but having watched that vid now, never have I seen him anything like that
Very, very bad decision making there
I am glad that the horse didn't pay the ultimate price for it, and I pray it won't ruin him as a 4* horse.
SpottedCat
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Not only should he have pulled up much, much earlier, but also why on earth was he allowed to carry on given he had the run out, circled twice before jumping the alternative (so that's crossing your tracks 3 times = E) and then did the same again at least once elsewhere? Putting the pro/am thing aside for a moment, surely he should have been E at the first corner anyway for 3 stops, surely it was TE?
That was a horrific lapse in judgment on his part, I suspect it will haunt him for the rest of his life.
That was a horrific lapse in judgment on his part, I suspect it will haunt him for the rest of his life.
kerilli
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Apologies for only singling this comment out, but - horrific misjudgement? I really don't think so. I was expecting to see a display of horsemanship resembling Amy Tyron's (or whatever that wench is called), and it's nowhere near. The horse did look tired, but i wouldn't have said it was in an extreme state. The rare times i watch eventing (apologies, but bounces of wood carved into Ducks and the like really isn't my thing) i often see horses who are extremely on the forehand, being held up by the rider, blowing like steam trains... Can barely stomach it some times
Looked to me like Harry wanted to get him over that jump and was then going to call it a day. Sod's law it wasn't as smooth as that.
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it was a horrific misjudgement to carry on and ask the horse to jump another big fixed fence, because if that horse had tried to stretch across to clear that fence, rather than giving up and flopping into the middle of it, we might have seen a really really nasty fall, i'll say no more.
i agree about horses galloping on the forehand, there's a rather nasty example of it early on, not nice to watch.
Apologies for only singling this comment out, but - horrific misjudgement? I really don't think so. I was expecting to see a display of horsemanship resembling Amy Tyron's (or whatever that wench is called), and it's nowhere near. The horse did look tired, but i wouldn't have said it was in an extreme state. The rare times i watch eventing (apologies, but bounces of wood carved into Ducks and the like really isn't my thing) i often see horses who are extremely on the forehand, being held up by the rider, blowing like steam trains... Can barely stomach it some times
Looked to me like Harry wanted to get him over that jump and was then going to call it a day. Sod's law it wasn't as smooth as that.
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it was a horrific misjudgement to carry on and ask the horse to jump another big fixed fence, because if that horse had tried to stretch across to clear that fence, rather than giving up and flopping into the middle of it, we might have seen a really really nasty fall, i'll say no more.
i agree about horses galloping on the forehand, there's a rather nasty example of it early on, not nice to watch.
Hesperus
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Not good really but lets not have a witch hunt here. He's still the person who built an amazing relationship with MD and others and his management has kept them sound into old age. A mistake I'm sure he's feeling sick about now - who knows what he was thinking. Maybe the horse is generally slightly behind the leg anyway and he took a chance and hoped it did have enough in the tank to get home. A decision he now knows was the wrong one. We're all only human. Having said that I don't defend anyone who doesn't put the horse first so if it is as suggested above then it is right he was not allowed to continue in the competition.
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The horse did look tired, but i wouldn't have said it was in an extreme state.
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I certainly would have called it an extreme state. This is a 4 star event - it wasn't as though he was going to be asking the horse to pop a few cross poles in that state...
Attempting to ask a horse to jump those massive fences in that state was just dangerous.
I appreciate what everyone has being saying about him normally being a sympathetic rider, so I would have to agree and say it looks like a massive misjudgement, but he was lucky both himself and horse weren't hurt.
The horse did look tired, but i wouldn't have said it was in an extreme state.
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Attempting to ask a horse to jump those massive fences in that state was just dangerous.
I appreciate what everyone has being saying about him normally being a sympathetic rider, so I would have to agree and say it looks like a massive misjudgement, but he was lucky both himself and horse weren't hurt.
kate081
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I've not seen burghley tv as it won't let me play but I saw him jump the trakhener at 5 & Dunauger clipped it (can see it on the photo I took). The other horses we saw there flew it. Maybe Harry just didn't realise the horse wasn't on form? I think it's harsh on the owners not to let him ride the second horse though. Hopefully he's learnt a lesson today.
Starman
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i agree about horses galloping on the forehand, there's a rather nasty example of it early on, not nice to watch.
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Care to point me in the right direction, video wise?
i agree about horses galloping on the forehand, there's a rather nasty example of it early on, not nice to watch.
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Care to point me in the right direction, video wise?
Bossanova
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I *think* once you've had a stop at direct route you're allowed to circle and re-cross your tracks again before tackling black flag.
Hornby
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Just watched it on Burghley TV - I have to say if the horse suffered the same fate as Amy Tyron's then he would be (rightly) hung drawn and quartered on here. I have enjoyed his riding in the past but feel that this is an appalling display of horsemanship. Yes, the horse started like a lion, yes it was strongly bitted but he should have reacted and stopped earlier (and the stewards should have acted if he didn't).
SpottedCat
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Oh I think you're right actually. That would explain that! I am very tired...
ruby111
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anyone know why i cant get burghley tv.it keeps telling me they are having technical problems and to try later.am i doing something wrong?
kerilli
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i agree about horses galloping on the forehand, there's a rather nasty example of it early on, not nice to watch.
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Care to point me in the right direction, video wise?
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Running Brook and Georgie Spence.
he looks horribly strong though, to be fair to her she was trying to do something about it, but they had a pretty bad moment at the 3rd last.
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i agree about horses galloping on the forehand, there's a rather nasty example of it early on, not nice to watch.
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Care to point me in the right direction, video wise?
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Running Brook and Georgie Spence.
he looks horribly strong though, to be fair to her she was trying to do something about it, but they had a pretty bad moment at the 3rd last.
Merlotmonster
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I was there today and to be honest I was not surprised to come home to this thread. The horse was absolutely shot to pieces and it was a shocking piece of riding. He should be punished for this as his actions at this level are inexcusable. The fall was coming a mile off and I cannot think what he was hoping to achieve. He was never going to get home and had racked up a cricket score.
I would never let him ride a horse of mine having seen him in action today.
I would never let him ride a horse of mine having seen him in action today.
Rafferoo
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I was right at the fence and the horse was extremely fatigued. People did start to clap as they thought he was retiring when he circled and it was pretty clear that it was what he ought to have done (and I say this as a big fan of Harry that is surprised that his judgement today was so lacking).
The poor horse was trapped in an awful position and was struggling to breathe. When the fence was dismantled it was on the floor unable to get up for several minutes. In all honesty I was starting to think that it was not going to be back on its feet ever again. I am just truly relieved that it made it which is a testament to the fast and efficient help it recieved from the stewards and vets.
The poor horse was trapped in an awful position and was struggling to breathe. When the fence was dismantled it was on the floor unable to get up for several minutes. In all honesty I was starting to think that it was not going to be back on its feet ever again. I am just truly relieved that it made it which is a testament to the fast and efficient help it recieved from the stewards and vets.
charliebo
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Chaka - Judy thingy had it.
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Judy Herbert. She was (is?) a very good rider and produced Chaka very very well.
Chaka - Judy thingy had it.
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Judy Herbert. She was (is?) a very good rider and produced Chaka very very well.
only_me
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Im just glad punishment was taken - at tattersalls earlier on this year a horse was so exhausted that it fell on landing at the last fence and lay there for a good 20 minutes because it was so tired. The rider got NO punishment, not even a card.
Although my sympathies with MD owners, they didnt deserve this.
Although my sympathies with MD owners, they didnt deserve this.
Jbrogan
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I was there today didn't see the fall as was on a different part of the course. I've just watched the video and I'm sick to my stomach that he carried on on a horse that was clearly knackered! He is supposed to be an example to people like me eventing at grass root level!
teapot
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What I will say is that I'd imagine Harry Meade is beating himself up big time about it - he's a decent horseman in that respect unlike a certain American...
MandyMoo
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just watched harrys round...poor orse
he had absolutley no energy left to jump those fences...harry should have stopped with that first refusal at fence 16...
frankly i think it is disgusting that he carried on, and simply outrageous that he re-attempted that fence he got stuck on after the horse breaking into trot and grinding to a halt, obviosly showing how shattered it was.
disgusting
frankly i think it is disgusting that he carried on, and simply outrageous that he re-attempted that fence he got stuck on after the horse breaking into trot and grinding to a halt, obviosly showing how shattered it was.
disgusting