Leo Walker
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As far as I can see she is a genuine private seller, unfortunately.
Horse acting different to when I viewed her...
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Charlotteclarke
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Thanks so much
Errin Paddywack
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A friend of mine bought a two year old off me. Broke him and did well with him. Sold him several years later when she was getting married. Had a couple of people try him and get dumped by him. He was quite sensitive and didn't like people bossing him about if he didn't know them. He was finally bought by an experienced couple for showjumping. They later reported that for the first week no-one could stay on him. Once he settled he went out and won the first jumping competition they put him in. He was a total sweetie, never put a foot wrong for my friend or me either on the odd time I rode him.
Charlotteclarke
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Thank you for this!
FestiveFuzz
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I disagree only a dodgy seller would state ‘sold as seen’. I’ve only sold one horse in 20+ years of ownership, he was advertised warts and all (was sweet enough but could be nappy at times) but the buyer refused to vet him against my advice and I sure as hell wasn’t having any comeback later on down the line if they changed their mind as he was being replaced and I wouldn’t have had the space or funds to take him back.
As it is, they kept him for many years so all was good, but as a genuine private seller I couldn’t run the risk of a claim at a later date.
PurBee
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yes, i can understand this perspective. That makes sense...thanks for highlighting the ‘other side’ of the coin.
I find with an animal though, being a sentient being, especially a horse being an ever-changing creature, the ‘sold as seen’ caveat to be a mute point.
Animals can easily react so differently for so many reasons - change in environment, food, handling etc...the buyer wont really know what theyve bought until they take them on and work with them.
I guess buyers who want more security than ‘sold as seen’ should find a seller who’s prepared to take the horse back if the home doesnt suit. As even a 5* vet check approval doesnt guarantee the animals behaviour to change of handler/rider and environment wont alter.
When i bought by mare, which i will admit was the way not to buy a horse!...anyway...i bought her, owner had her since foal, her only handler her whole life....same home and herd for her whole life, said she’s sweet as anything, doesnt kick or bite etc. Well....within the first day she kicked me, and the first month bit me hard! She had herd separation anxiety and really altered her behaviour....she lunged at me teeth bared etc...the whole 9 yards! But with patience i/we got there. She took ages to adjust but it was amazing to experience her slowly trusting this whole ‘new world’ she was suddenly plonked in. I didnt rush it As i could understand her perspective. Now she’s wonderful.
Suggestions that OP’s horse was maybe experiencing change in home anxiety are valid, but with the horse being sweet on the ground handling and just terrible when backed seems like more is going on than just home change anxiety.
Trouper
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Whatever has or has not happened it sounds from your description as if the horse is in some pain - somewhere from something. If you did not have her vetted then you can't go back and check bloods for pain relief meds when you tried her so it seems you have to decide just how much you like/want to keep her and how much you are prepared to invest in finding out the problems. If I were going to go down the investigations route I would be contacting Tom Beech (The Osteopathic Vet) - have a look at his FB page. You may have to wait for an appointment because he is so good but he will look at the whole horse for you - and being an equine vet can do/arrange for all the same tests any other vet can.
It is a horrible situation to be in and I do feel for you but if you don't get to the bottom of the problem, please do not pass her on to anyone else. She could seriously injure them or end up having the most awful life herself. I will sound as if I am jumping the gun here but I have been in your position and the only peace of mind I had after all the investigations was to put the horse to sleep (at age 7). I have never regretted it.
It is a horrible situation to be in and I do feel for you but if you don't get to the bottom of the problem, please do not pass her on to anyone else. She could seriously injure them or end up having the most awful life herself. I will sound as if I am jumping the gun here but I have been in your position and the only peace of mind I had after all the investigations was to put the horse to sleep (at age 7). I have never regretted it.
FestiveFuzz
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I think your approach with your mare was the right one, unfortunately you only have to look on fb or on here to see that not everyone appreciates that some horses require a bit of settling in time when moving homes.
Your point about sentient beasts is spot on, but equally it’s all rather subjective. What I deem to be sharp could be someone else’s plod for example, and herein lies the problem when it comes to advertising horses, and that’s before you factor in any unsettled quirks that appear in the upheaval of moving home.
poiuytrewq
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If as above the seller is genuinely private is there any research to be done into the horse?
If it’s trained the trainer could be contacted and may be able to give an inkling as to the horses true temperament and how long the seller had actually owned it etc
Op, I really hope you get somewhere with this. You’ve taken on board all the advice and replied to every question (sometimes several times over) which often people don’t bother to do so you obviously really appreciate the help your being given which is quite refreshing!
If it’s trained the trainer could be contacted and may be able to give an inkling as to the horses true temperament and how long the seller had actually owned it etc
Op, I really hope you get somewhere with this. You’ve taken on board all the advice and replied to every question (sometimes several times over) which often people don’t bother to do so you obviously really appreciate the help your being given which is quite refreshing!
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
If you still have the copy of the advert you bought her from , make sure you keep hold of it. How does it describe the horse?
poiuytrewq
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Can you screenshot and post it?
Eclipse 2020
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I agree with getting the horse checked out with a vet just in case there is a Heath problem cause by this. A horse may act differently with a more experienced rider Tb aren’t for first time owners But we all make mistakes . To be honest I don’t think you’re going to get far with the seller even if the horse is crazy you have no evidence that the horse was drugged when you tried the horse and because the seller was private you have very little rights. I really hope you get it sorted and I wish you the best of luck.
Daniel_Jack
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You poor thing! I can only imagine how difficult this is for you.
While I agree that horses do need time to settle after a move this horses behaviour suggests more of a pain issue than just being unsettled.
It sounds like you have a plan of action but even if the vet confirms an issue I'm not sure if you'd be able to take this up with the seller or if you'd need to work to resolve the issue yourself. Fingers crossed you get to the bottom of things quickly.
While I agree that horses do need time to settle after a move this horses behaviour suggests more of a pain issue than just being unsettled.
It sounds like you have a plan of action but even if the vet confirms an issue I'm not sure if you'd be able to take this up with the seller or if you'd need to work to resolve the issue yourself. Fingers crossed you get to the bottom of things quickly.
AUB
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It’s been a while now. Have your vet been out? Or has the behaviour changed to the better in the meantime?
Winters100
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What a horrid situation - I do hope that you are beginning to get towards a solution.
This may not be what you want to hear, but to me a 6 year old TB does not sound like the right horse for you. I am not being patronizing, it would also not be the right horse for me, but it sounds as if you are now nervous around the horse, and you could get hurt if you continue. If a vet check does not reveal any issues then I would be inclined to have the horse schooled by a pro and sell on. You can have a lot of fun with this hobby, but if you are over-horsed it also has potential to be an expensive misery! I can tell you from experience of trying for years with a horse who was too much for me, having 2 serious accidents (broken back and head injury which resulted in a concussion lasting 6 months). When I sold and bought the right horse all the joy came back, and keeping my 2 now costs less than keeping the 1 that I had before - without full time trainers, endless lessons etc horse ownership has once again become a much loved hobby. Good luck, and do let us know how you are doing.
This may not be what you want to hear, but to me a 6 year old TB does not sound like the right horse for you. I am not being patronizing, it would also not be the right horse for me, but it sounds as if you are now nervous around the horse, and you could get hurt if you continue. If a vet check does not reveal any issues then I would be inclined to have the horse schooled by a pro and sell on. You can have a lot of fun with this hobby, but if you are over-horsed it also has potential to be an expensive misery! I can tell you from experience of trying for years with a horse who was too much for me, having 2 serious accidents (broken back and head injury which resulted in a concussion lasting 6 months). When I sold and bought the right horse all the joy came back, and keeping my 2 now costs less than keeping the 1 that I had before - without full time trainers, endless lessons etc horse ownership has once again become a much loved hobby. Good luck, and do let us know how you are doing.
Charlotte.04
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Very, very late but curious to know what happened? Did the vet find anything? Did she end up being sold? Was the issue sorted or is it a mystery?
Horsegirl25
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This thread has just popped up for me! Would be keen for updates also
CarlungM
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Not a lot to add other than I bought a horse a few years ago and it took so long to settle due to being herd bound ( although kept in a new, smaller herd).
The horse was a difficult ride and to handle, but after 6 months became a sweetie to handle and a safe, if feisty/ opiniated at times, ride. It just took a long readjustment period.
That said, I would do what others have said, bloods if not too late- by now it will be- and a good vet. Build the trust up with handling and ground work if their are no pain issues.
The horse was a difficult ride and to handle, but after 6 months became a sweetie to handle and a safe, if feisty/ opiniated at times, ride. It just took a long readjustment period.
That said, I would do what others have said, bloods if not too late- by now it will be- and a good vet. Build the trust up with handling and ground work if their are no pain issues.
Orangehorse
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There are some short acting drugs that are cleared from the system in 24 hours. That the seller's reply was "sold as seen" certainly raises questions. But no one can tell lies. What does the advert say? If it says something like "quiet to ride" or "suitable for a novice" then I think you have a legitimate complaint.
I would consider a letter from a solicitor requesting that the horse is taken back and your money refunded.
I know people say to let a horse settle, but there is letting a horse settle down and get familiar with new surroundings, and have a horse that appeared quiet to handle and ride and then when in its new home try to kick, not let you mount and chuck you off sounds more than just settling-in.
If you are feeling nervous around it, than can upset some horses as they are looking for a new leader/teacher to feel confident in, and want you to take charge, so getting a more experienced person to have a look at the behaviour might be a good idea, but act quickly and if you decide to send it back, again act quickly.
I would consider a letter from a solicitor requesting that the horse is taken back and your money refunded.
I know people say to let a horse settle, but there is letting a horse settle down and get familiar with new surroundings, and have a horse that appeared quiet to handle and ride and then when in its new home try to kick, not let you mount and chuck you off sounds more than just settling-in.
If you are feeling nervous around it, than can upset some horses as they are looking for a new leader/teacher to feel confident in, and want you to take charge, so getting a more experienced person to have a look at the behaviour might be a good idea, but act quickly and if you decide to send it back, again act quickly.
neddy man
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This thread is now 4 years old cc has not been on this or any other thread since 20 May 2020. Probably a T
JPG
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Charlotte,
Lots of good suggestions have been given above so not going to add anything else but just to say I'm feeling for you.
Buying a new horse is never easy and sometimes it just doesnt click. Its just such a pity this was your first.
I really hope it all works out and remember, safety first. You could have been really hurt with those falls, so just take it slowly and hopefully it will all work out.
J.
Lots of good suggestions have been given above so not going to add anything else but just to say I'm feeling for you.
Buying a new horse is never easy and sometimes it just doesnt click. Its just such a pity this was your first.
I really hope it all works out and remember, safety first. You could have been really hurt with those falls, so just take it slowly and hopefully it will all work out.
J.
JPG
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